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dk7th
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10/14/2015  10:54 PM
so if there is such a thing as a "bad win" then this is a great example. no okafor, noel, kp. hard to gauge? maybe. but... with the exception of the first few possessions, no discernible triangle. by midway through the 2nd quarter it seems fisher has given up trying to get his players to run the triangle. lots of free flowing and isolation ball but to what end? but hey at least the talent level of this team is respectable. problem is this sort of game only feeds melo's weaknesses. williams is going to be a very fine player off the bench, with the caveat that it will not be in a structured offense.

no problem... he'll have good running mates in galloway and/or grant.

1) good chemistry between calderon and lopez, even though calderon is a sieve.
2) melo: there was a play at 6:10 of the first that is emblematic of this guy-- Thomas, clueless and fooling around, dumps the ball to Melo at the elbow and you can almost read Melo's mind: "this is an inferior player so I need to rescue the possession." This is melo's default position and I really wish the coaching staff points out during a film session that this is the wrong mindset if you want to develop chemistry. Why? Because (a) there's 12 seconds left when he jacks it up and (b) it leads to an easy quasi-turnover 3 from Covington in a semi-break... and this happens to be Melo's assignment where he has drifted too deep into the Sixers side of the court. so a double sin. Melo simply HAS TO fix this in his game.
3) Grant: good game, and promising, but he is going to need to learn how to draw fouls at the NBA level if only because he's not going to be able to finish easily. baby steps.
4) Early: terrible defensive spacing, just looks clueless out there. at the end of the 1st commits a frustration foul after getting blocked-- close call-- but foolish retaliation as Clyde pointed out. early has zero savvy. hard to watch and if jackson is true to his word about early earning playing time as a defender then guess what: he gets no playing time. zero or negative floor impact.
5) o'quinn's weakness: closing out stretch 4s.
6) halfway through the 3rd quarter and the knicks are-- once again-- unwatchable. and at 6:01 fisher wakes up and swaps out the ENTIRE LINEUP. clyde says an eight-man rotation and i think it's got to be ten deep.

early and thomas have played themselves out of the rotation. same with vujacic.

as of tonight i see a 9-deep rotation of

Afflalo, Calderon, Galloway, Grant

Anthony, Lopez, O’Quinn, Porzingis, Williams

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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10/14/2015  11:22 PM
dk7th wrote:so if there is such a thing as a "bad win" then this is a great example. no okafor, noel, kp. hard to gauge? maybe. but... with the exception of the first few possessions, no discernible triangle. by midway through the 2nd quarter it seems fisher has given up trying to get his players to run the triangle. lots of free flowing and isolation ball but to what end? but hey at least the talent level of this team is respectable. problem is this sort of game only feeds melo's weaknesses. williams is going to be a very fine player off the bench, with the caveat that it will not be in a structured offense.

no problem... he'll have good running mates in galloway and/or grant.

1) good chemistry between calderon and lopez, even though calderon is a sieve.
2) melo: there was a play at 6:10 of the first that is emblematic of this guy-- Thomas, clueless and fooling around, dumps the ball to Melo at the elbow and you can almost read Melo's mind: "this is an inferior player so I need to rescue the possession." This is melo's default position and I really wish the coaching staff points out during a film session that this is the wrong mindset if you want to develop chemistry. Why? Because (a) there's 12 seconds left when he jacks it up and (b) it leads to an easy quasi-turnover 3 from Covington in a semi-break... and this happens to be Melo's assignment where he has drifted too deep into the Sixers side of the court. so a double sin. Melo simply HAS TO fix this in his game.
3) Grant: good game, and promising, but he is going to need to learn how to draw fouls at the NBA level if only because he's not going to be able to finish easily. baby steps.
4) Early: terrible defensive spacing, just looks clueless out there. at the end of the 1st commits a frustration foul after getting blocked-- close call-- but foolish retaliation as Clyde pointed out. early has zero savvy. hard to watch and if jackson is true to his word about early earning playing time as a defender then guess what: he gets no playing time. zero or negative floor impact.
5) o'quinn's weakness: closing out stretch 4s.
6) halfway through the 3rd quarter and the knicks are-- once again-- unwatchable. and at 6:01 fisher wakes up and swaps out the ENTIRE LINEUP. clyde says an eight-man rotation and i think it's got to be ten deep.

early and thomas have played themselves out of the rotation. same with vujacic.

as of tonight i see a 9-deep rotation of

Afflalo, Calderon, Galloway, Grant

Anthony, Lopez, O’Quinn, Porzingis, Williams

I think you can add Seraphin... He can and will play.
Sasha will get some minutes if Affalo will not be able to stay healthy.
And if KP will have a lot on hiccups and growing pains we will see Amundsen for some minutes.
But in general I agree about 9 deep... it is tough to establish structural offense and defense with 10-11 rotation.
Only if team will suck again we will see more that 9 players with significant minutes.

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10/14/2015  11:23 PM
So at tge 6:10 mark you could almost read Melo's mind again?
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dk7th
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10/15/2015  12:18 AM
CrushAlot wrote:So at tge 6:10 mark you could almost read Melo's mind again?

i made an educated guess.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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10/15/2015  1:25 AM
I actually think Sasha gets minutes as a sub for Afflalo with the starters and he didn't look horrible running with the bench either. I could see him getting minutes as an 11th man throughout the season but yeah I think its a legit 10 man rotation.
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10/15/2015  10:01 AM
dk7th wrote:so if there is such a thing as a "bad win" then this is a great example. no okafor, noel, kp. hard to gauge? maybe. but... with the exception of the first few possessions, no discernible triangle. by midway through the 2nd quarter it seems fisher has given up trying to get his players to run the triangle. lots of free flowing and isolation ball but to what end? but hey at least the talent level of this team is respectable. problem is this sort of game only feeds melo's weaknesses. williams is going to be a very fine player off the bench, with the caveat that it will not be in a structured offense.

no problem... he'll have good running mates in galloway and/or grant.

1) good chemistry between calderon and lopez, even though calderon is a sieve.
2) melo: there was a play at 6:10 of the first that is emblematic of this guy-- Thomas, clueless and fooling around, dumps the ball to Melo at the elbow and you can almost read Melo's mind: "this is an inferior player so I need to rescue the possession." This is melo's default position and I really wish the coaching staff points out during a film session that this is the wrong mindset if you want to develop chemistry. Why? Because (a) there's 12 seconds left when he jacks it up and (b) it leads to an easy quasi-turnover 3 from Covington in a semi-break... and this happens to be Melo's assignment where he has drifted too deep into the Sixers side of the court. so a double sin. Melo simply HAS TO fix this in his game.
3) Grant: good game, and promising, but he is going to need to learn how to draw fouls at the NBA level if only because he's not going to be able to finish easily. baby steps.
4) Early: terrible defensive spacing, just looks clueless out there. at the end of the 1st commits a frustration foul after getting blocked-- close call-- but foolish retaliation as Clyde pointed out. early has zero savvy. hard to watch and if jackson is true to his word about early earning playing time as a defender then guess what: he gets no playing time. zero or negative floor impact.
5) o'quinn's weakness: closing out stretch 4s.
6) halfway through the 3rd quarter and the knicks are-- once again-- unwatchable. and at 6:01 fisher wakes up and swaps out the ENTIRE LINEUP. clyde says an eight-man rotation and i think it's got to be ten deep.

early and thomas have played themselves out of the rotation. same with vujacic.

as of tonight i see a 9-deep rotation of

Afflalo, Calderon, Galloway, Grant

Anthony, Lopez, O’Quinn, Porzingis, Williams

I was at the game and agree with most of what your saying. Seemed the triangle got good easy looks for Lopez and Dwill who got hot. I thought Jose looked good. I was more concerned about him moving off the ball. Melo did some Iso stuff and for long stretches kind of disappeared, but that's ok too.

I agree with Early and he seemed lost at times. O'Quinn is a big dude!!!
Sasha played and shot often.

Its preseason and Im not concerned. Hard to gauge cuz Philly is depleted.

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10/15/2015  10:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/16/2015  8:48 AM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:So at tge 6:10 mark you could almost read Melo's mind again?

i made an educated guess.

dk7th with the good stuff.

What, no mention of the fool's gold 6-11 shooting, the three steals, the block?

nice breakdown of the game, although I'm a little leary of depending too heavily on Porzingis right off the bat, given his injury status. I can smell a Rooster 1st season repeat brewing. Phil's already commented on the fragility of the way-too tall. Are we doomed to have all our quality first rounders having to go this route?

No love for lunch pail Lou A and his 9 boards? he doesn't even break into your rotation?

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10/15/2015  11:23 AM
CrushAlot wrote:So at tge 6:10 mark you could almost read Melo's mind again?
he can read Melo's mind ALL the time... the 6:10 was just for reference.

You know... literally, right before Melo's shooting he's thinking "Lance is crap and Im better" right as he's stroking it. DK is can confirm this fact based on a variety of his opinions.

Boy.. you have to give DK credit.. he really keeps at it.

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dk7th
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10/15/2015  11:48 AM
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:So at tge 6:10 mark you could almost read Melo's mind again?
he can read Melo's mind ALL the time... the 6:10 was just for reference.

You know... literally, right before Melo's shooting he's thinking "Lance is crap and Im better" right as he's stroking it. DK is can confirm this fact based on a variety of his opinions.

Boy.. you have to give DK credit.. he really keeps at it.

lets just say his first impulse in these circumstances is to shoot, and if the impulse could be verbalized it would be as i said. so if "mind-reading" is not quite the right way to put it, then he has the unfortunate habit and history of this sort of "decision" which i would like to see the coaching staff break. the mavs were able to change dirk.

unless of course you think he should be taking those shots, in which case you would need to explain or justify them. you're a coach, right? is that what you would coach melo to do??

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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