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BRIGGS
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10/14/2015  9:24 PM
A. Shooting of guards

B Injuries to KP and Affalo

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10/14/2015  9:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/14/2015  9:35 PM
Team cannot be build up from below zero level to contender in one year.
We start working from front court and some results should show up this year.
Then the focus will be switched to guards.
It's a process. No quick fixes are available...
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10/14/2015  9:57 PM
It's off to a shaky start but most of our guards have good history as shooters. I suspect they'll settle into what they've normally been able to do as shooters over the course of 82 games. Most of the time players will end up where they usually are. Most of our guards are good shooters. I wouldn't be overly concerned in that area.

KP is a concern but so far they seem to have pulled him back as soon as he shows any issues, which is a good move. No sense in pushing and causing an even worse injury. We used to run Shump into the ground when it was clear his body wasn't able to keep up. This cautious approach is much better IMO.
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10/14/2015  9:59 PM
nixluva wrote:It's off to a shaky start but most of our guards have good history as shooters. I suspect they'll settle into what they've normally been able to do as shooters over the course of 82 games. Most of the time players will end up where they usually are. Most of our guards are good shooters. I wouldn't be overly concerned in that area.

KP is a concern but so far they seem to have pulled him back as soon as he shows any issues, which is a good move. No sense in pushing and causing an even worse injury. We used to run Shump into the ground when it was clear his body wasn't able to keep up. This cautious approach is much better IMO.

Who has good NBA history of shooting?

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10/14/2015  10:40 PM
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:It's off to a shaky start but most of our guards have good history as shooters. I suspect they'll settle into what they've normally been able to do as shooters over the course of 82 games. Most of the time players will end up where they usually are. Most of our guards are good shooters. I wouldn't be overly concerned in that area.

KP is a concern but so far they seem to have pulled him back as soon as he shows any issues, which is a good move. No sense in pushing and causing an even worse injury. We used to run Shump into the ground when it was clear his body wasn't able to keep up. This cautious approach is much better IMO.

Who has good NBA history of shooting?


Good shooting doesn't mean GREAT shooting. It depends on what you think qualifies as a good shooter. IMO the guards we have do have a history of good shooting. No one is saying we have elite shooting but it's possible that we will get a respectable level of shooting from our guards.

Jose Calderon      Career  .475 FG% .412 3PT% .875 FT%
Arron Afflalo      Career  .453 FG% .385 3PT% .819 FT%
Sasha Vujacic      Career  .395 FG% .371 3PT% .870 FT%
Langston Galloway  Career  .399	FG% .352 3PT% .808 FT% Rookie Season.  I believe he'll improve as a shooter.
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10/14/2015  11:14 PM
nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:It's off to a shaky start but most of our guards have good history as shooters. I suspect they'll settle into what they've normally been able to do as shooters over the course of 82 games. Most of the time players will end up where they usually are. Most of our guards are good shooters. I wouldn't be overly concerned in that area.

KP is a concern but so far they seem to have pulled him back as soon as he shows any issues, which is a good move. No sense in pushing and causing an even worse injury. We used to run Shump into the ground when it was clear his body wasn't able to keep up. This cautious approach is much better IMO.

Who has good NBA history of shooting?


Good shooting doesn't mean GREAT shooting. It depends on what you think qualifies as a good shooter. IMO the guards we have do have a history of good shooting. No one is saying we have elite shooting but it's possible that we will get a respectable level of shooting from our guards.

Jose Calderon      Career  .475 FG% .412 3PT% .875 FT%
Arron Afflalo      Career  .453 FG% .385 3PT% .819 FT%
Sasha Vujacic      Career  .395 FG% .371 3PT% .870 FT%
Langston Galloway  Career  .399	FG% .352 3PT% .808 FT% Rookie Season.  I believe he'll improve as a shooter.

Jose and Sasha will have tough time to shoot with defenders on them. And i do not think they will get many shots.
Galo is OK but he will not shoot a lot also.
So Affalo is the only guard we have which we can refer to as a shooter and his durability is a big question.
This area is not addressed as of now. So I would not expect much scoring from our guards.
But I would take this as positive. We can really get a good handle on what our bigs are about.
Also in triangle it is much more important to have guards who can run the system.
We can add shooters later when team will be ready to contend.

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10/14/2015  11:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/14/2015  11:41 PM
KP is probably hurt because he pushes himself so hard. His body should grow into him.

As opposed to Calderon or Bargs who get hurt from being out of shape.
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10/14/2015  11:59 PM
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:It's off to a shaky start but most of our guards have good history as shooters. I suspect they'll settle into what they've normally been able to do as shooters over the course of 82 games. Most of the time players will end up where they usually are. Most of our guards are good shooters. I wouldn't be overly concerned in that area.

KP is a concern but so far they seem to have pulled him back as soon as he shows any issues, which is a good move. No sense in pushing and causing an even worse injury. We used to run Shump into the ground when it was clear his body wasn't able to keep up. This cautious approach is much better IMO.

Who has good NBA history of shooting?


Good shooting doesn't mean GREAT shooting. It depends on what you think qualifies as a good shooter. IMO the guards we have do have a history of good shooting. No one is saying we have elite shooting but it's possible that we will get a respectable level of shooting from our guards.

Jose Calderon      Career  .475 FG% .412 3PT% .875 FT%
Arron Afflalo      Career  .453 FG% .385 3PT% .819 FT%
Sasha Vujacic      Career  .395 FG% .371 3PT% .870 FT%
Langston Galloway  Career  .399	FG% .352 3PT% .808 FT% Rookie Season.  I believe he'll improve as a shooter.

Jose and Sasha will have tough time to shoot with defenders on them. And i do not think they will get many shots.
Galo is OK but he will not shoot a lot also.
So Affalo is the only guard we have which we can refer to as a shooter and his durability is a big question.
This area is not addressed as of now. So I would not expect much scoring from our guards.
But I would take this as positive. We can really get a good handle on what our bigs are about.
Also in triangle it is much more important to have guards who can run the system.
We can add shooters later when team will be ready to contend.


Not sure what you're saying here. Most guards will have a tougher time with a defender on them. That's not when they should be shooting in this offense anyway. We want them taking shots in the flow of the offense when they are open! What you're talking about isn't whether they can shoot or not. You are talking about players who can create their own shots. That's not really what the Triangle is about. Sure you do need a few players who can create something out of nothing but not all the time.

It's about players learning how to use the system to help them get good shots. You pass, move and players set picks to get others open. It's all team oriented for the most part. Ball and Player movement done properly and our guards will get open shots. Our guards are good enough to hit enough open shots if we execute properly. So I have to disagree with you for the most part.
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10/15/2015  2:37 AM
BRIGGS wrote:A. Shooting of guards

B Injuries to KP and Affalo

Yes those are concerns.....Concerns I don't mind having....vs.....the Knick teams of the past.

Sounds like you rather have MDA and that 17 win roster back.

This isn't NBA live, where you can make a bunch of trades and have an instant championship team. Put the Atari joystick down and come back to the real world.

It doesn't matter how you build a team from ground zero. There will always be some holes to fill. Just be glad we only have two (according to your A.B. list)

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10/15/2015  6:14 AM
Hopefully the Knicks are just bein cautious with Afflalo. If Afflalo is healthy he should help to take care of your worries about shooting guard.
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10/15/2015  8:13 AM
arkrud wrote:Team cannot be build up from below zero level to contender in one year.
We start working from front court and some results should show up this year.
Then the focus will be switched to guards.
It's a process. No quick fixes are available...
Exactly. Ive been saying he same ting since he end of the offseason. I feel we are much improved BUT probably still a year and another piece away from really being a contender. Our frontcourt depth is really encouraging but our backcourt is thin right now.
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10/15/2015  9:17 AM
Calderone is out of shape?
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10/15/2015  11:58 AM
We will get a handle of guard play reality on Friday. I think we are good in the front-court which is a stabilizer.
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10/15/2015  12:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:We will get a handle of guard play reality on Friday. I think we are good in the front-court which is a stabilizer.

Thanasis must be terrible in practice if he can't get any playing time in preseason. I was hoping he could help the guards out and become a defensive impact player.

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10/15/2015  12:07 PM
Afflalo being out for an extended period coud hurt, dont believe Sasha can pick up the slack. Hope Fisher tries other options at SG if Afflalo is out for a while.
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10/15/2015  12:31 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Afflalo being out for an extended period coud hurt, dont believe Sasha can pick up the slack. Hope Fisher tries other options at SG if Afflalo is out for a while.

Sasha has never been a guy that is steady. He's very streaky. So there will be stretches where he can't hit a shot and then stretches where he's hot and in the end he will shoot very well from 3pt range. He's not supposed to be a starter. If Afflalo is out we just have to deal with what we have left.
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10/15/2015  1:03 PM
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Afflalo being out for an extended period coud hurt, dont believe Sasha can pick up the slack. Hope Fisher tries other options at SG if Afflalo is out for a while.

Sasha has never been a guy that is steady. He's very streaky. So there will be stretches where he can't hit a shot and then stretches where he's hot and in the end he will shoot very well from 3pt range. He's not supposed to be a starter. If Afflalo is out we just have to deal with what we have left.

you still comfortable with our guards?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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10/15/2015  3:01 PM
Afflalo is back practicing. Hopefully he can play against Boston. He needs to get some reps in this offense and with his new teammates.

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10/15/2015  3:01 PM
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10/15/2015  3:03 PM
Also sounds like they are just being cautious with KP. Which I am 100% fine with. Remember when Don Chaney played Antonio McDyess 42 minutes in a pre-season game and he suffered a horrific injury?

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