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knicks1248
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10/13/2015  10:02 AM
Grant
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Kevin
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Will become one of the best benches in the league, easy.

For the first time ever, i saw fisher sub in 5 guys at the right time, even pulling melo and Rolo, midway through the 3rd when the team was playing with zero energy and phili erased a 14 point deficit to 4 points.

I don't even want any of those guys to start, I think the play very well together and are very balance

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10/13/2015  10:20 AM
First unit ball movement could be much better..I think they are trying to take quicker shots in the shot clock...Melo shoots 47% in the first 17 sec of the shot clock and 38% the last 7 sec...But Sasha is putting it up too quickly...Sasha and Calderon was playing a two man game that was ugly...Sasha needs to move the ball an make that extra pass..There is no fluidity on offense..
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10/13/2015  10:21 AM
It's a deeper team overall. Even down to the 15th man there is quality on this roster. It makes things easier for your coach when he has more tools in the toolbox to choose from. Phil knows this and I felt he really did shoot for as much quality depth as he could. He took a calculated risk on a guy with TONS of upside in DWill. I liked the idea cuz he brings so much athletic ability to the roster. If we can develop Thanasis this year he too can bring elite energy and athletic ability.
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10/13/2015  10:38 AM
just looking at phili last night, that's the rout you take when building through the draft, a lot of good young talent with zero direction and leadership, that's why i never want to build through the draft. They look like the MDA knicks
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10/13/2015  10:54 AM
knicks1248 wrote:just looking at phili last night, that's the rout you take when building through the draft, a lot of good young talent with zero direction and leadership, that's why i never want to build through the draft. They look like the MDA knicks

MDA wasn't perfect but he had the right idea. We see the league taking his approach. His biggest issue was not having a GM like Phil and a noninterventionist Dolan. This roster is a reflection of Phil's philosophy and it helps Fish to do his job better. The GM has to support the coach by giving him what he needs to succeed rather than just throwing talent at him and expecting miracles.

Phil's taken a logical approach to building an actual team. He wasn't just grabbing talent randomly. He had specific roles he needed filled. He wanted a certain type of personality as well. It all works together. There was a plan and it made a difference in the end result IMO.

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10/13/2015  10:57 AM
I'm amazed Hinke still has a job...
knicks1248
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10/13/2015  11:08 AM
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:just looking at phili last night, that's the rout you take when building through the draft, a lot of good young talent with zero direction and leadership, that's why i never want to build through the draft. They look like the MDA knicks

MDA wasn't perfect but he had the right idea. We see the league taking his approach. His biggest issue was not having a GM like Phil and a noninterventionist Dolan. This roster is a reflection of Phil's philosophy and it helps Fish to do his job better. The GM has to support the coach by giving him what he needs to succeed rather than just throwing talent at him and expecting miracles.

Phil's taken a logical approach to building an actual team. He wasn't just grabbing talent randomly. He had specific roles he needed filled. He wanted a certain type of personality as well. It all works together. There was a plan and it made a difference in the end result IMO.

Phil know better than to try and put a bunch of young guns to go with a young coach

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10/13/2015  11:08 AM
Yes we finally have a solid overall team even the 54 win team didn't have this kinda depth.
Rolo,k saraphin,Lou
Kp,O'quinn,Thomas
Melo,Williams,early
AA,Galloway,Sasha,
Caldron,grant,Sasha

That team is deep I think grant over takes Jose after the trade deadline ... But Jose is going to start. Phil needs to try and move our weakest link in Jose. I think it could happen if a contender loses a pg to injury.. With that said Jose looks better this year . But grant looks more skilled and ready to start

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10/13/2015  11:08 AM
holfresh wrote:I'm amazed Hinke still has a job...

exactly, that dude has no clue what the hell he's doing, everyone on the roster has the green light

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10/13/2015  11:10 AM
fitzfarm wrote:Yes we finally have a solid overall team even the 54 win team didn't have this kinda depth.
Rolo,k saraphin,Lou
Kp,O'quinn,Thomas
Melo,Williams,early
AA,Galloway,Sasha,
Caldron,grant,Sasha

That team is deep I think grant over takes Jose after the trade deadline ... But Jose is going to start. Phil needs to try and move our weakest link in Jose. I think it could happen if a contender loses a pg to injury.. With that said Jose looks better this year . But grant looks more skilled and ready to start

I want to keep calderone, he hasn't looked that bad in the last 2 games. You need those veterans as a balance, even if his impact is in the locker room more so

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10/13/2015  11:26 AM
fitzfarm wrote:Yes we finally have a solid overall team even the 54 win team didn't have this kinda depth.
Rolo,k saraphin,Lou
Kp,O'quinn,Thomas
Melo,Williams,early
AA,Galloway,Sasha,
Caldron,grant,Sasha

That team is deep I think grant over takes Jose after the trade deadline ... But Jose is going to start. Phil needs to try and move our weakest link in Jose. I think it could happen if a contender loses a pg to injury.. With that said Jose looks better this year . But grant looks more skilled and ready to start

Let's see what a healthy Calderon can do for the first 20 or so games of the season. He's looked pretty good so far. If he doesn't turn the ball over and keeps hitting those jumpers, it'd be good to have his veteran leadership in the line-up down the stretch.

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10/13/2015  11:28 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Grant
DWILL
Kevin
galloway
SASHA

Will become one of the best benches in the league, easy.

For the first time ever, i saw fisher sub in 5 guys at the right time, even pulling melo and Rolo, midway through the 3rd when the team was playing with zero energy and phili erased a 14 point deficit to 4 points.

I don't even want any of those guys to start, I think the play very well together and are very balance

You left out O'Quinn?

If it ain't broke, don't break it. - Charles 'The REAL Sir Charles' Oakley.
knicks1248
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10/13/2015  11:30 AM
herkyJerky wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Grant
DWILL
Kevin
galloway
SASHA

Will become one of the best benches in the league, easy.

For the first time ever, i saw fisher sub in 5 guys at the right time, even pulling melo and Rolo, midway through the 3rd when the team was playing with zero energy and phili erased a 14 point deficit to 4 points.

I don't even want any of those guys to start, I think the play very well together and are very balance

You left out O'Quinn?

wow, your right, and i just don't think playing 11 guys makes any sense at all, 10 is a stretch, but where that deep, so who should get more pine time?

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10/13/2015  11:50 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
herkyJerky wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Grant
DWILL
Kevin
galloway
SASHA

Will become one of the best benches in the league, easy.

For the first time ever, i saw fisher sub in 5 guys at the right time, even pulling melo and Rolo, midway through the 3rd when the team was playing with zero energy and phili erased a 14 point deficit to 4 points.

I don't even want any of those guys to start, I think the play very well together and are very balance

You left out O'Quinn?

wow, your right, and i just don't think playing 11 guys makes any sense at all, 10 is a stretch, but where that deep, so who should get more pine time?

Lol it's pretty cool that you can afford to make that mistake on account of all the guys we have to choose from, right?
I wouldn't be surprised if we did see some 10 or even 11 man rotations throughout the season. It would help keep some of the older legs fresh throughout the year and give some of the guys at the back of the roster (Amundson, Early) some experience on the court with these guys in case we should need them down the stretch.
But of all the guys we've seen play so far, not counting garbage time, I'm guessing it will be Thomas, Amundson and Sasha getting the bulk of the pine-riding time. That's assuming Afflalo is able to start on opening night of the season.

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10/13/2015  11:56 AM
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holfresh wrote:I'm amazed Hinke still has a job...

exactly, that dude has no clue what the hell he's doing, everyone on the roster has the green light


Watch out...the Hinkeologists will be attacking you soon.

Definitely a cult of Hinke out there. A couple cultists around here...expect to hear from them soon.

Philly really has to decide if the guy is worth it, though. He's accumulated a lot of picks, but can anyone be sure if he will make the right choices.

So far he seems to be playing some kind of game with rules that only he knows or cares about. Have to wonder if he will still be around to utilized all the "assets" he's acquired.

I expect that Briggs would give up a couple of years from his life to have Hinkie's job and all those picks for the next 5 years. Will be interesting to see if the guy actually turns the franchise around.

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10/13/2015  11:57 AM
This team is talor made for a superstar like next year, to play along with Melo! Or two very solid players, to fill in some of the minor gaps. I think we need a rim protector off the bench. I rather have O'quinn and Seraphin at PF.....But that depends on the matchups. Having Rolo on the floor and KP to balance the floor is a huge bonus to our offense and defense. A rim protector and a shooter that can play along side Melo would be great. If we had Calderon in his prime, that will help spread the floor. He used to be a very good shooter.
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10/13/2015  12:01 PM
Didn't Sam Hinkie trade all his point guards though and now he has none?

I know he has like 5 or 6 "point guards", but I doubt any will be as successful as Jrue Holiday or Michael Carter Williams.

I just don't buy whatever it is he's selling. You can acquire and accumulate assets and chips for as long as you want. At some point, you have to cash in.

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10/13/2015  12:34 PM
I have no problem with an expanded rotation as long as the players know their roles and perform them well. This franchise has been snakebit with injuries for a while now, a deep bench helps in that dept, and keeps players ready for more minutes if someone goes down. Some teams will warrant a tighter rotation, but I like the idea of giving minutes here and there down the line.
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10/13/2015  1:08 PM
GustavBahler wrote:I have no problem with an expanded rotation as long as the players know their roles and perform them well. This franchise has been snakebit with injuries for a while now, a deep bench helps in that dept, and keeps players ready for more minutes if someone goes down. Some teams will warrant a tighter rotation, but I like the idea of giving minutes here and there down the line.

Yeah the Spurs have made good use of a deep rotation. It's not that you are really playing a lot of guys major minutes, but rather that you can shave off a few minutes from each of your best guys and they are less worn down over the course of a season. It's a good ploy if you have have a team with decent reserves who can be trusted to handle a few minutes without giving up leads.
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10/13/2015  1:17 PM
blkexec wrote:This team is talor made for a superstar like next year, to play along with Melo! Or two very solid players, to fill in some of the minor gaps. I think we need a rim protector off the bench. I rather have O'quinn and Seraphin at PF.....But that depends on the matchups. Having Rolo on the floor and KP to balance the floor is a huge bonus to our offense and defense. A rim protector and a shooter that can play along side Melo would be great. If we had Calderon in his prime, that will help spread the floor. He used to be a very good shooter.

he still is, just giving time to get his legs back, i think he's going to be ok

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