I know his value is at an alltime low. But with Crawford coming, Houston should be going. We don't need him and need room for bringing a power forward or center in. How about Vlade Divac or Dale Davis. Old warriors who still know how to play the game. And get the Dampier deal done. Let's go Isiah, you are not allowed to sleep this time of year. Get on the phone.

I don't think the reports on Houston are encouraging but they are mixed. NY times says Houston is ahead of schedule and Post or Daily news said his knee still hurt.
What GM, except our beloved Layden, would take an aging SG with 3 years and over 56 million in salary (17.9+19.1+20)left.

If JC isn't an option, what about Matt Carroll that kid had a nice stroke.

Hes got 3.5 months to get ready. Already your burying him? You dump salary, you get more back, or get less talent back.

SO what if he needs even until the allstar game to get ready. Thats being real impatient man, give it time.

He'll pray until the docter or god gives him clearence!

Posted by Nalod:

Hes got 3.5 months to get ready. Already your burying him? You dump salary, you get more back, or get less talent back.

SO what if he needs even until the allstar game to get ready. Thats being real impatient man, give it time.

He'll pray until the docter or god gives him clearence!

He had 3.5 months already. Why did he not get the surgery done already? Because he thought just resting his knees would solve the problem?

Bottomline, the guy was supposed to get surgery when he got injuerd last year and whimped out. At first he though recovering from a surgery will take longer than just resting his knee. Now you say, "so what if it takes till the all-star break?"

So, if it takes till the allstar break, Houston will still re-injure his knee and miss the playoffs. Not only is he 1-dimensional SG refusing to do anything other than jumpshoot and get overpaid, he refuses to do what would have kept him healthy longer. He has to get surgery sooner or later! He should have done it when the injury happened. Now His knees are still sore.

Posted by raven:

knee surgeries seldom solve issues.

if I were him I wouldn't trust the knicks med staff. So many mistakes have already been made...

Knee surgries do solve issues. They might not be able to for major career ending issues but they are definately better than resting your knee and praying for it to get fixed! I really hate Houston.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 07/15/2004 06:47:53]

You make it sound like I am asking him to chop some fingers off! I just wanted him to get sugery at the right time like it was suggested by the doctors. And if the surgery does not fix the injury then fine, he can sit on the bench but he is not doing that either!

Dr Silverfuel,

YOu a fan. Its ok to just want things to happen.

IN the end, Dices injury or reinjury was a freak. Detroit gave him a nice deal after having him really checked out again. It takes time.

He may not be the savior (dice) but remember he was just injured once when we got him. Hindsight 20-20 is easy.

Isiah is doing right by trying to get Craw to rotate H20 and Marbs. Injuries happen, and forcing players back makes them worse. Alan was never ready last year and forced himself three times to play. And he was asked to carry the team when he was on the floor pre-marbs.

They call it "practicing" medicine because its not an exact science. If you have three opinions and two say no surgery, you don't do it. Its always an option later on. Fans hate that stuff, but thats reality.

These guys get paid huge sums but will pay dearly in pain for the rest of their lives doing what they doing to their bodies. They SHOULD retire when they are done, but teams give out these long contracts and the money is not bad. Gonna walk away form 20million? Hell no!

I hope we get Craw and Allan can get the knee right. You assuming the worst will always happen. You might hate the dude, but its buisiness, and knees are a part of it.

Allan is not going anywhere until he is in midseason form. Then we might not want to trade him, but we'll get no value in his current state. Same for Cwebb, he had no hop last year.

Sac won't do this unless they plan on moving either Cristie or Bobby Jax. Having Cristie and H20 on the same team would be obnoxious over the top God Loving boys on one team.

Posted by Nalod:

These guys get paid huge sums but will pay dearly in pain for the rest of their lives doing what they doing to their bodies. They SHOULD retire when they are done, but teams give out these long contracts and the money is not bad. Gonna walk away form 20million? Hell no!

Everything else you said I agree with. My problem with him is not his contract. Its with Houston refusing to rebound and refusing to play defense. I remember him saying that it was not his game to rebound. He is a tall guy big dude. He can atleast try to pass the ball, play defense, drive more often, run better without the ball, get more rebounds and/or at least try to get rebounds.

This time my problem is with him saying a combination of things. He did not think surgery will help. He thought he was going to be ready. He said he would rest and all of the above. Hence, everytime his name is listed unless he does something good, I will tell everyone how much I hate him. Please trade him Zeke. Please!!

the Mike Lupica article pretty much summed up how i've been feeling lately. 3 amazing players were out there in Shaq, kobe and Tracy and the knicks who play in "the world's famous arena" can't get any of the world'd greatest players thanks to the mess Layden put them in Thanks to Houston, Penny and Shandon

I've never seen any scientific evidence for this notion that some fans have that knee surgeries do damage. Houston probably wouldn't have been able to go in even 50 games last year if he hadn't had surgery last summer.