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EnySpree
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10/6/2015  8:32 AM
We haven't played a game yet but I salivate over the little scrimmage highlights on the Knicks site.

I'm really high on Kevin Seraphin. I think he's really going to surprise people. I see Rolo and O'Quinn Really bringing the lunch pail every night. Derrick williams might really show us something too. Then you have Melo, Lance, Lou and Early....

All that without even mentioning Kristaps.

Not many teams have this much quality talent... alot of high charecter guys.

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10/6/2015  8:37 AM
Not sure about best in the league but i do like the depth we have. A lot depends on how quickly KP can catch onto the NBA game,if Lopez can take the next step, and of course health is always important
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10/6/2015  10:36 AM
our front court is better than the Spurs or the Grizz or the Cavs???
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10/6/2015  11:06 AM
This is a strength of the team and part of the Phil philosophy in terms of Defense, Post Play and Rebounding. This is why i'm so high on this team being better than the pundits and analysts have suggested. This team had a bunch of Powder Puffs last year but this year these guys are much tougher and Post Capable. There's rim protection and also good passing which goes a bit under the radar.

When you pair the strong front court players with an improved group of Guards I think this team can get to .500 and compete for a playoff spot. There's a very good chemistry already developing and the BB IQ is MUCH higher this year. We shouldn't see much of any drop off when we go to the bench and that's usually a very good factor in being able to win games.

RoLo's Win Share 48 the last 2 years is .166 and that is with a down year last year due in part to a broken hand. I think RoLo could have a very good season in this system.
O'Quinn is a young guy that I think we're getting on the rise. I can see his game being enhanced in this system. His passing ability should be a real plus for this team.
Seraphin has very legit big man skills and could do much better IMO with a bit more of a consistent and clear role. His girth and physicality should be really good against bench players from other teams.

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10/6/2015  11:13 AM
we have the best frontcourt to never play a game together in a regular season yes.
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10/6/2015  11:18 AM
Cartman718 wrote:we have the best frontcourt to never play a game together in a regular season yes.

That's taking the easy way out. Of course they haven't played a game yet. This is where we get to see your talent evaluation skills. How do you actually see this group of bigs performing this year based on their talent, skills and fit together? Do they have the needed skills and BB IQ for this system and will that enhance their abilities? Relative to other teams how do you think they stack up. Come on! Put some work into it.
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10/6/2015  11:22 AM
nixluva wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:we have the best frontcourt to never play a game together in a regular season yes.

That's taking the easy way out. Of course they haven't played a game yet. This is where we get to see your talent evaluation skills. How do you actually see this group of bigs performing this year based on their talent, skills and fit together? Do they have the needed skills and BB IQ for this system and will that enhance their abilities? Relative to other teams how do you think they stack up. Come on! Put some work into it.

i haven't really seen quinn dwill kp play. i have seen some of seraphin's games and i honestly think he has the potential to be great and an all-star. if he's in the starting lineup, i have hope for the frontcourt.

reserving judgment till the season is underway. talent evaluation in scrimmage and summer league is hardly that.
it's about team chemistry also and who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

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10/6/2015  11:28 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:our front court is better than the Spurs or the Grizz or the Cavs???

I said one of

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10/6/2015  11:35 AM
Not yet. Depends if RoLo plays like the $15m man, if O'Quinn and Seraphim play like the bruisers they are, if KP is indeed the chosen one. Anything positive out of DWill is a plus...no expectations for that draft bust.

Could we be? Sure. Realistically? Not this year. Logically? In 2 to 3 years, If Kristaps Christ rises to Bball God status.

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10/6/2015  11:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/6/2015  11:39 AM
Cartman718 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:we have the best frontcourt to never play a game together in a regular season yes.

That's taking the easy way out. Of course they haven't played a game yet. This is where we get to see your talent evaluation skills. How do you actually see this group of bigs performing this year based on their talent, skills and fit together? Do they have the needed skills and BB IQ for this system and will that enhance their abilities? Relative to other teams how do you think they stack up. Come on! Put some work into it.

i haven't really seen quinn dwill kp play. i have seen some of seraphin's games and i honestly think he has the potential to be great and an all-star. if he's in the starting lineup, i have hope for the frontcourt.

reserving judgment till the season is underway. talent evaluation in scrimmage and summer league is hardly that.
it's about team chemistry also and who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

You can say the same thing after the season begins. Nobody knows how this story ends until the season is over.

Unfortunately, thats part of the reason why people use these threads. Discuss their predictions before.....analysis during.....and post analysis after.

But I think we have the potential to be the best front court, at least on paper. I think we can matchup with any teams front court in the NBA, which is something we haven't said since Patrick Ewing. But Lopez is only 1 injury away from dropping that best front court prediction.

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10/6/2015  11:43 AM
Cartman718 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:we have the best frontcourt to never play a game together in a regular season yes.

That's taking the easy way out. Of course they haven't played a game yet. This is where we get to see your talent evaluation skills. How do you actually see this group of bigs performing this year based on their talent, skills and fit together? Do they have the needed skills and BB IQ for this system and will that enhance their abilities? Relative to other teams how do you think they stack up. Come on! Put some work into it.

i haven't really seen quinn dwill kp play. i have seen some of seraphin's games and i honestly think he has the potential to be great and an all-star. if he's in the starting lineup, i have hope for the frontcourt.

reserving judgment till the season is underway. talent evaluation in scrimmage and summer league is hardly that.
it's about team chemistry also and who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

You haven't seen some guys play and then have an sarcastic response to a thread like this... that's another easy way out.... as a fan is your duty to study your team and scout available guys around the league.

Just don't be that guy that crys bloody murder if the crew doesn't succeed. On paper we look strong. Don't be a lazy fan

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10/6/2015  11:46 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:Not yet. Depends if RoLo plays like the $15m man, if O'Quinn and Seraphim play like the bruisers they are, if KP is indeed the chosen one. Anything positive out of DWill is a plus...no expectations for that draft bust.

Could we be? Sure. Realistically? Not this year. Logically? In 2 to 3 years, If Kristaps Christ rises to Bball God status.

Kristaps might be 2-3 years away. This group as a whole have potential to show up right now

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10/6/2015  11:50 AM
EnySpree wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:we have the best frontcourt to never play a game together in a regular season yes.

That's taking the easy way out. Of course they haven't played a game yet. This is where we get to see your talent evaluation skills. How do you actually see this group of bigs performing this year based on their talent, skills and fit together? Do they have the needed skills and BB IQ for this system and will that enhance their abilities? Relative to other teams how do you think they stack up. Come on! Put some work into it.

i haven't really seen quinn dwill kp play. i have seen some of seraphin's games and i honestly think he has the potential to be great and an all-star. if he's in the starting lineup, i have hope for the frontcourt.

reserving judgment till the season is underway. talent evaluation in scrimmage and summer league is hardly that.
it's about team chemistry also and who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

You haven't seen some guys play and then have an sarcastic response to a thread like this... that's another easy way out.... as a fan is your duty to study your team and scout available guys around the league.

Just don't be that guy that crys bloody murder if the crew doesn't succeed. On paper we look strong. Don't be a lazy fan

i watch every single knicks game that counts against our record... i.e. starting the regular season. life still goes on. if i followed the knicks 24/7, i'd never get any work done lol... like today!

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10/6/2015  11:52 AM
EnySpree wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Not yet. Depends if RoLo plays like the $15m man, if O'Quinn and Seraphim play like the bruisers they are, if KP is indeed the chosen one. Anything positive out of DWill is a plus...no expectations for that draft bust.

Could we be? Sure. Realistically? Not this year. Logically? In 2 to 3 years, If Kristaps Christ rises to Bball God status.

Kristaps might be 2-3 years away. This group as a whole have potential to show up right now

Can't see the potential this season. Though we have a small forward advantage most nights with Melo, we're limited offensively at the 4 and 5 position most nights against the Aldriges, Griffins, Cousins, Duncans, Gasols etc. We may defend a little, but if we're getting no production at the 2 big positions, then can't really grade us high.

All about KP, really. He's the one with 2 way skill potential, not just big bodies who play average to good defense like the others.

DWill is just the ultimate 0 or 00 on the roulette wheel. If he hits, fantastic. Odds are against draft busts redeeming themselves though.

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10/6/2015  11:56 AM
blkexec wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:we have the best frontcourt to never play a game together in a regular season yes.

That's taking the easy way out. Of course they haven't played a game yet. This is where we get to see your talent evaluation skills. How do you actually see this group of bigs performing this year based on their talent, skills and fit together? Do they have the needed skills and BB IQ for this system and will that enhance their abilities? Relative to other teams how do you think they stack up. Come on! Put some work into it.

i haven't really seen quinn dwill kp play. i have seen some of seraphin's games and i honestly think he has the potential to be great and an all-star. if he's in the starting lineup, i have hope for the frontcourt.

reserving judgment till the season is underway. talent evaluation in scrimmage and summer league is hardly that.
it's about team chemistry also and who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

You can say the same thing after the season begins. Nobody knows how this story ends until the season is over.

Unfortunately, thats part of the reason why people use these threads. Discuss their predictions before.....analysis during.....and post analysis after.

But I think we have the potential to be the best front court, at least on paper. I think we can matchup with any teams front court in the NBA, which is something we haven't said since Patrick Ewing. But Lopez is only 1 injury away from dropping that best front court prediction.

Rolo is getting the Tyson chandler treatment. He's becoming a tad overrated. We definately need him but the Knicks have Seraphin, O'Quinn, Kristaps and even Lou to fall back on if he did get hurt. God forbid of course but this brings me back to the strength we have on this team.

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10/6/2015  12:28 PM
EnySpree wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:we have the best frontcourt to never play a game together in a regular season yes.

That's taking the easy way out. Of course they haven't played a game yet. This is where we get to see your talent evaluation skills. How do you actually see this group of bigs performing this year based on their talent, skills and fit together? Do they have the needed skills and BB IQ for this system and will that enhance their abilities? Relative to other teams how do you think they stack up. Come on! Put some work into it.

i haven't really seen quinn dwill kp play. i have seen some of seraphin's games and i honestly think he has the potential to be great and an all-star. if he's in the starting lineup, i have hope for the frontcourt.

reserving judgment till the season is underway. talent evaluation in scrimmage and summer league is hardly that.
it's about team chemistry also and who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

You can say the same thing after the season begins. Nobody knows how this story ends until the season is over.

Unfortunately, thats part of the reason why people use these threads. Discuss their predictions before.....analysis during.....and post analysis after.

But I think we have the potential to be the best front court, at least on paper. I think we can matchup with any teams front court in the NBA, which is something we haven't said since Patrick Ewing. But Lopez is only 1 injury away from dropping that best front court prediction.

Rolo is getting the Tyson chandler treatment. He's becoming a tad overrated. We definately need him but the Knicks have Seraphin, O'Quinn, Kristaps and even Lou to fall back on if he did get hurt. God forbid of course but this brings me back to the strength we have on this team.

RoLo isn't being overrated IMO. He's just a solid defensive big man that makes his team better. If you look deeper at what he does, RoLo is one of those guys who's stats don't always tell the whole story about his impact. He's one of those guys who changes the game when he's on the floor. Just his presence inside and his physicality. RoLo isn't just a shot blocker. He challenges more shots than a lot of guys who we think of as shot blockers. He lowers the overall shooting % of the other team around the basket. That's why the Blazers became a much improved defensive team once RoLo joined the team. He's also better offensively than people realize. I think we're getting RoLo at the right time.

Now when you add O'Quinn and Seraphin that makes it even better. These are guys who are underrated. O'Quinn is much better than people realize and I think he's about to break out this year. Seraphin is DYING to have a shot to prove what he can do and having another hungry and talent big like that is gonna have a positive impact IMO. DWill has underachieved so far but I think he can add that explosive factor to the team. He's always had the talent but hasn't been able to put it all together. I think it's possible that DWill can get his act together with a clearer role.

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10/6/2015  12:34 PM
EnySpree wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:we have the best frontcourt to never play a game together in a regular season yes.

That's taking the easy way out. Of course they haven't played a game yet. This is where we get to see your talent evaluation skills. How do you actually see this group of bigs performing this year based on their talent, skills and fit together? Do they have the needed skills and BB IQ for this system and will that enhance their abilities? Relative to other teams how do you think they stack up. Come on! Put some work into it.

i haven't really seen quinn dwill kp play. i have seen some of seraphin's games and i honestly think he has the potential to be great and an all-star. if he's in the starting lineup, i have hope for the frontcourt.

reserving judgment till the season is underway. talent evaluation in scrimmage and summer league is hardly that.
it's about team chemistry also and who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

You can say the same thing after the season begins. Nobody knows how this story ends until the season is over.

Unfortunately, thats part of the reason why people use these threads. Discuss their predictions before.....analysis during.....and post analysis after.

But I think we have the potential to be the best front court, at least on paper. I think we can matchup with any teams front court in the NBA, which is something we haven't said since Patrick Ewing. But Lopez is only 1 injury away from dropping that best front court prediction.

Rolo is getting the Tyson chandler treatment. He's becoming a tad overrated. We definately need him but the Knicks have Seraphin, O'Quinn, Kristaps and even Lou to fall back on if he did get hurt. God forbid of course but this brings me back to the strength we have on this team.

I like Seraphin....I'm a big fan. I never seen O'Quinn plan, but he's from Queens, so by default I like him. KP isn't ready to play defense at center. Lopez is the only legit 7 footer on the team that can hold his own in the paint, as a shot blocker. Seraphin and O'Quinn will block shots, but Lopez is a little taller and gets credit for missed layups as well, because of his length. This is just my personal prediction that Lopez (just like Chandler was) are key rim protectors. When they go down, we bring in guys that can score better on offense, but gives up more points on defense. Again, just my prediction based on what we have on paper. Would like to see how the team looks when Lopez is out the game.

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10/6/2015  12:34 PM
blkexec wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

You can say the same thing after the season begins. Nobody knows how this story ends until the season is over.

Unfortunately, thats part of the reason why people use these threads. Discuss their predictions before.....analysis during.....and post analysis after.

But I think we have the potential to be the best front court, at least on paper. I think we can matchup with any teams front court in the NBA, which is something we haven't said since Patrick Ewing. But Lopez is only 1 injury away from dropping that best front court prediction.

analysis during the season is a lot more credible because there are current data points. injuries aside... i think we have the potential to be a memphis style team, but not at their level.

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10/6/2015  12:35 PM
I love the upside potential of the bigs on the Knicks, especially considering their ages.

I don't know too much about Seraphin but the praise I am reading is interesting. Wish he was on the Knicks under a multi-year deal.

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10/6/2015  12:36 PM
martin wrote:I love the upside potential of the bigs on the Knicks, especially considering their ages.

I don't know too much about Seraphin but the praise I am reading is interesting. Wish he was on the Knicks under a multi-year deal.

Seraphin is a strange one- I have read praise for him and also a lot of stuff that absolutely blasts him- looking forward to finding out which is true. For the first time in a while it feels like we have a few bruisers in the front court, I used to take that for granted back in the day!

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