crzymdups wrote:I think if the Knicks are really far under .500 around the trade deadline (say ten games under .500 or more), this is certainly an option worth exploring.

I think the Washington Wizards could be an option, too.

And of course the LA teams will try to be in the mix.

I think there's certainly a chance the Knicks get to that point this year or next summer - but let's just see how they look on the floor for the first two or three months before trading Melo for a bunch of nickels.

Yup, agreed. I'm just saying Bulls pushed for Melo HARD last off season, and Melo himself even talked himself out of winning, for that extra MSG Dolan cheddah.

You roll the dice first, and if we're sub 500 near the trade deadline, you make this move 11 times out of 10. Everyone wins.

earthmansurfer wrote:Yeah, it is an option, but why would we move Melo when Durant might come over? If they feel there is no chance with Durant then maybe.
If we are a pretty good team and it is apparent to Durant that he can push us way over the hump to a championship, you have to take that and wait.

Yes, you take the wait and see approach first. That's why I said to "roll the dice". And if somehow we end up "good" like 500 or better good, you see if you can land a Durant in free agency, however small that chance is.

More than likely, we'll be sub 500 by the trade deadline. We won 17 games last year. 17!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

17 to 41 wins just don't happen overnight. It doesn't. Ever.

This is the logical and best way for the Knicks, as a franchise to move forward. Build with young assets, build your own stars, and keep salaries flexible enough to pull the trigger on the one timely free agent to be, whenever that time comes.

ChuckBuck wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Yeah, it is an option, but why would we move Melo when Durant might come over? If they feel there is no chance with Durant then maybe.
If we are a pretty good team and it is apparent to Durant that he can push us way over the hump to a championship, you have to take that and wait.

Yes, you take the wait and see approach first. That's why I said to "roll the dice". And if somehow we end up "good" like 500 or better good, you see if you can land a Durant in free agency, however small that chance is.

More than likely, we'll be sub 500 by the trade deadline. We won 17 games last year. 17!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

17 to 41 wins just don't happen overnight. It doesn't. Ever.

This is the logical and best way for the Knicks, as a franchise to move forward. Build with young assets, build your own stars, and keep salaries flexible enough to pull the trigger on the one timely free agent to be, whenever that time comes.

There won't be any trade of Melo this season IMO. It's just too early for that kind of move. Even if there are early season struggles. My guess is they want to see a full or nearly full season to get a real handle on what they have before considering anything like moving Melo. For all they know there could be a late surge if they start off slow. I think they're gonna want to see it all and then reassess everything.

TheGame wrote:Unless we are hit with a lot of injuries, this team will be pretty close to .500, which means we are unlikely to trade Melo. You have to realize that part of the motivation last year was to tank to get a higher pick. Melo missed most of the year, Calderon was hurt, we had no backup PG, we had no legit center, and we had no scoring PF. We now have legit centers and PF, a true NBA caliber PG in Grant, Melo should play the whole year, and we replaced Shumpert/Smith with a more consistent SG. If something happened and were we like 10-12 games below .500 at the trade deadline, then Phil should trade Melo. But that would only be if this team just is not working, which I do not predict will be the case. I think PHil's plan is to try and add Durant or Kobe next summer.

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So Phil added several bigs who can protect the rim and defend against PnR because they can move their feet. RoLo, O'Quinn and KP have the length and movement to be able to protect the rim and shut down penetration off PnR. Just some recent examples of the kind of defensive presence that our bigs have had recently in terms of interior defense. The last column "Diff%" is the impact they had on shooters normal FG%. The negative numbers indicate excellent defense inside the 3pt line and paint area.

Robin Lopez 2013-14
Defense Category  GP	G	DFGM	DFGA	DFG%	FREQ	FG%	Diff%
Overall	          82	82	6.9	15.9	43.3	100%	47.8	-4.5
3 Pointers	  82	54	0.4	1.1	31.9	7.2%	34.0	-2.1
2 Pointers	  82	82	6.5	14.7	44.2	92.8%	49.7	-5.6
Less Than 6 Ft	  82	81	3.5	7.6	46.2	47.9%	59.4	-13.2
Less Than 10 Ft	  82	82	4.6	10.1	45.2	63.9%	54.8	-9.6
Kyle O'Quinn 2013-14
Defense Category  GP	G	DFGM	DFGA	DFG%	FREQ	FG%	Diff%
Overall	          63	63	3.3	7.7	42.7	100%	46.3	-3.6
3 Pointers	  63	29	0.3	1.1	31.0	14.6%	34.3	-3.3
2 Pointers	  63	62	3.0	6.6	44.7	85.4%	48.9	-4.2
Less Than 6 Ft	  63	60	1.7	3.2	54.3	40.9%	58.8	-4.5
Less Than 10 Ft	  63	62	2.1	4.2	50.0	54.6%	53.9	-3.9
Kevin Seraphin 2014-15 
Defense Category  GP	G	DFGM	DFGA	DFG%	FREQ	FG%	Diff%
Overall	          78	78	2.8	6.3	44.1	100%	46.2	-2.1
3 Pointers	  78	42	0.3	0.7	38.5	10.5%	33.9	 4.6
2 Pointers	  78	78	2.5	5.7	44.8	89.5%	48.9	-4.1
Less Than 6 Ft	  78	73	1.6	3.1	53.3	48.6%	57.7	-4.4
Less Than 10 Ft	  78	76	2.1	4.2	50.3	65.6%	53.1	-2.8

And really, incredible 1 season turnarounds never, ever happen, ever...
Just ask the Bucks, or the Nets, or the Suns or the Celtics...

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think if the Knicks are really far under .500 around the trade deadline (say ten games under .500 or more), this is certainly an option worth exploring.

I think the Washington Wizards could be an option, too.

And of course the LA teams will try to be in the mix.

I think there's certainly a chance the Knicks get to that point this year or next summer - but let's just see how they look on the floor for the first two or three months before trading Melo for a bunch of nickels.

Yup, agreed. I'm just saying Bulls pushed for Melo HARD last off season, and Melo himself even talked himself out of winning, for that extra MSG Dolan cheddah.

You roll the dice first, and if we're sub 500 near the trade deadline, you make this move 11 times out of 10. Everyone wins.