Wonder when part 2 is coming out?

CrushAlot wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/37zvbt/the_melo_factor_part_1/

What factor is that? We've been under .500 with him in his 5 years here. He's a good player but he can't hold Patrick Ewings jockstrap. We have pieces that if melo is that good we should win 54 games again but I doubt it.

Just looking at the make up of this group it seems like there are a lot more stable characters. Tho we still have to see how things go, but based on reputation this group seems pretty stable and higher character than in the past.

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:Melo isn't perfect but he's not the problem. I actually think this is perhaps starting to be a front office and roster that may provide a more stable support behind Melo. Since he got here the team has always been kind of sketchy at times with Dolan, front office issues, players personal issues, poor health and the character of the players. This front office and roster may have a better chance to avoid a lot of those issues. It'll be very interesting to see how this group performs. Melo is just the easy target to go after and i've had my issues with Melo in the past but most of the problems come from other factors besides Melo.

Just looking at the make up of this group it seems like there are a lot more stable characters. Tho we still have to see how things go, but based on reputation this group seems pretty stable and higher character than in the past.

i agree 100% with this post. melo has been an innocent victim from day 1 and not at all a catalyst or an active agent in the sub-.500 record the franchise has amassed since his glorious arrival as THE franchise talent that merely needs a decent supporting cast for his elite nba exploits. why just think, had he played an active role in his own life and actually made decisions based on his own values, EVERYTHING would have been different. but hey, that's life: we don't ever control our own destiny so we never need to take ownership of anything that befalls us.

If Melo is a detriment to winning why then did the 54 win team find such early success and falter when the players broke down or slumped around Melo? Clearly when his teammates were able to hold up their end the team won games. IMO this is basically what Phil is looking to do with the team now. Build up the team around Melo and let him do what he does. He doesn't have to be Lebron in order for this team to win as again was demonstrated during the 54 win season. What we need is for this team to have quality production at the other spots like we did in 2012-13 to start the season.

There wasn't perfect health in 2012-13 either but in terms of getting good production to start the year this team was getting that. If we could get stable and consistent production for an entire season that would make all the difference in the world. When you really look at the stats from that season it's clear that things were heavily impacted by health. Even the core players at the top of the rotation missed games. IMO it's not hard to imagine this new roster being more reliable in terms of games played. That along with more consistently solid production could make a huge difference. The 2012-13 season showed that you don't need a team full of Elites in order to win but you do need reasonable quality play, some consistency and good health.

2012-13 Regular Season
PLAYER	                GP	GS	MIN	PPG	OFFR	DEFR	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TPG	FPG	A/TO	PER
Carmelo Anthony, SF	67	67	37.0	28.7	2.0	4.9	6.9	2.6	0.78	0.48	2.6	3.1	1.0	24.8
Raymond Felton, PG	68	68	34.0	13.9	0.8	2.1	2.9	5.5	1.38	0.21	2.3	1.9	2.4	15.2
J.R. Smith, SG	        80	0	33.5	18.1	0.8	4.5	5.3	2.7	1.25	0.30	1.7	2.8	1.6	17.7
Tyson Chandler, C	66	66	32.8	10.4	4.1	6.6	10.7	0.9	0.64	1.14	1.3	2.8	0.7	18.9
Jason Kidd, PG	        76	48	26.9	6.0	0.7	3.6	4.3	3.3	1.64	0.33	1.0	1.6	3.3	13.5
Iman Shumpert, SG	45	45	22.1	6.8	0.7	2.3	3.0	1.7	0.96	0.16	0.8	2.2	2.0	11.7
Steve Novak, SF	        81	1	20.3	6.6	0.2	1.7	1.9	0.4	0.35	0.10	0.1	1.2	2.9	11.3
Pablo Prigioni, PG	78	18	16.2	3.5	0.5	1.3	1.8	3.0	0.88	0.03	1.1	1.6	2.7	13.0
Chris Copeland, SF	56	13	15.4	8.7	0.6	1.5	2.1	0.5	0.29	0.21	0.9	1.9	0.5	16.9

James White, SG	        57	16	7.6	2.2	0.1	0.8	0.8	0.5	0.23	0.07	0.3	0.8	1.7	9.1
Ronnie Brewer, SF†	46	34	15.5	3.6	0.6	1.5	2.2	0.9	0.74	0.13	0.3	0.6	2.9	10.2
Kurt Thomas, PF	        39	17	10.1	2.5	0.6	1.7	2.3	0.5	0.26	0.41	0.2	1.3	2.6	13.3
Amar'e Stoudemire, PF	29	0	23.5	14.2	2.1	2.9	5.0	0.4	0.34	0.72	1.7	3.1	0.3	22.2
Marcus Camby, C	        24	4	10.4	1.8	1.0	2.3	3.3	0.6	0.29	0.58	0.6	1.2	0.9	8.6
Rasheed Wallace, PF	21	0	14.1	7.0	0.5	3.4	4.0	0.3	0.62	0.71	0.5	1.9	0.6	16.7
Kenyon Martin, PF	18	11	23.9	7.2	1.9	3.4	5.3	0.4	0.89	0.94	0.9	3.6	0.5	13.9
2012-13 Playoffs
PLAYER	                GP	GS	MIN	PPG	OFFR	DEFR	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TPG	FPG	A/TO
Carmelo Anthony, SF	12	12	40.1	28.8	0.9	5.7	6.6	1.6	1.08	0.17	2.6	3.8	0.6
Raymond Felton, PG	12	12	37.8	14.1	1.4	2.0	3.4	4.7	1.67	0.42	1.7	2.2	2.8
J.R. Smith, SG	        11	0	31.9	14.3	0.5	4.2	4.7	1.4	1.00	0.45	1.8	2.5	0.8
Tyson Chandler, C	12	12	29.2	5.7	3.3	4.0	7.3	0.3	0.67	1.17	0.9	4.0	0.4
Iman Shumpert, SG	12	12	28.1	9.3	1.5	4.5	6.0	1.3	1.08	0.25	1.2	3.0	1.1
Kenyon Martin, PF	12	1	21.1	5.8	1.3	3.2	4.5	0.9	0.75	1.42	0.7	3.5	1.4
Pablo Prigioni, PG	11	10	20.9	4.5	0.2	1.4	1.5	3.2	1.27	0.09	0.5	1.9	5.8
Jason Kidd, PG	        12	0	20.6	0.9	0.6	2.9	3.5	2.0	1.00	0.33	1.1	1.0	1.8
Chris Copeland, SF	9	1	10.3	4.1	0.2	0.8	1.0	0.1	0.56	0.00	0.4	1.0	0.3
Amar'e Stoudemire, PF	4	0	8.3	3.8	1.0	1.3	2.3	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.8	2.3	0.0
Steve Novak, SF	        9	0	5.6	2.0	0.2	0.2	0.4	0.0	0.11	0.00	0.0	0.6	0.0
Quentin Richardson, SF	5	0	2.8	1.2	0.2	0.4	0.6	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.0	0.4	0.0
James White, SG	        4	0	2.3	1.0	0.3	0.3	0.5	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.0	0.3	0.0
Marcus Camby, C	        3	0	1.0	0.7	0.3	0.3	0.7	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.3	0.3	0.0

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/37zvbt/the_melo_factor_part_1/

What factor is that? We've been under .500 with him in his 5 years here. He's a good player but he can't hold Patrick Ewings jockstrap. We have pieces that if melo is that good we should win 54 games again but I doubt it.

You would have to read it. The op looks at 19 players that played with Melo including some nuggets. It is interesting read.

I did read it. I'm not big on analytics in basketball. It's pretty simple from the human eye Carmelo is a really good player but he could not hold patricks jockstrap he's not up there with Ewing

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/37zvbt/the_melo_factor_part_1/

What factor is that? We've been under .500 with him in his 5 years here. He's a good player but he can't hold Patrick Ewings jockstrap. We have pieces that if melo is that good we should win 54 games again but I doubt it.

You would have to read it. The op looks at 19 players that played with Melo including some nuggets. It is interesting read.

I did read it. I'm not big on analytics in basketball. It's pretty simple from the human eye Carmelo is a really good player but he could not hold patricks jockstrap he's not up there with Ewing

no sh1t!

Its good that everyone else is big on analytics in basketball.

I am not big on da computah.

You never explained the differences in WS(48) between Jimmy Bulter and Kemba Walker in their rookie season..Same effective fg%..Or any analytic guru for that matter..