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If KP can play on the level of these guys, I'll take skills over muscles any day.

This is what I'm worried about, with NYC media attention. Don't stop doing what you are great at, just to satisfy fans. I'm still trying to find one Larry Bird muscle in this picture. I believe Birds NBA career turned out ok, and he has sting bean arms. It's great that KP added more muscle, I get it. But he's still a light weight stretch 4 that operates in the mid range area. I doubt he will ever be a PF banger with arms like Anthony Mason.

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He'll end up a 5. I just dont see a 7-3 260-265 pd perimeter player. If he can continue putting on nice muscle hell be a load and a half to contend with under the hoop.

Can we ever get a picture of him working inside the paint for goodness sakes?

Big baby can hold his own against any NBA big.....Please show me one muscle!

Muscle doesn't make you a dominate post player. Can't turn a square into a circle. KP has the skills to be a dominate player period. He will NEVER have a permanent NBA position. He will always play 2 or 3 positions......Think of a Euro version of Kevin Garnet, with a 3 point shot. Thats all the muscle he needs.

how about 7 footers who can dribble and shoot threes like Durant? Just one!!

I would like to see kp but on really short shorts and converse sneakers and say darn it and nincompoop.

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blkexec wrote:It's a good thing Ray Allen didn't add muscle to that bird chest of his.....His jumper during the Miami championship game would've been a BRICK.

Funny...but "back in the day" baseball and basketball players did not work out with weights as much-folks used to say that you would lose your flexibility, touch, reflexes, coordination, etc., but that's been pretty much disproven, I would think. Not sure that you want to "bulk up" too much-don't see too many body builder type bodies in these 2 sports- but guys are much stronger, and there does not seem to be a drop-off in performance.

KP has to find the right balance of weight and strength that allows him to bang more down low, but does not affect his quickness/speed. I'm looking at 255lbs as the optimum weight to shoot for at this point, and hope that he does things at the right speed.

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WaltLongmire wrote:

blkexec wrote:It's a good thing Ray Allen didn't add muscle to that bird chest of his.....His jumper during the Miami championship game would've been a BRICK.

Funny...but "back in the day" baseball and basketball players did not work out with weights as much-folks used to say that you would lose your flexibility, touch, reflexes, coordination, etc., but that's been pretty much disproven, I would think. Not sure that you want to "bulk up" too much-don't see too many body builder type bodies in these 2 sports- but guys are much stronger, and there does not seem to be a drop-off in performance.

KP has to find the right balance of weight and strength that allows him to bang more down low, but does not affect his quickness/speed. I'm looking at 255lbs as the optimum weight to shoot for at this point, and hope that he does things at the right speed.

I know Haney thought Tiger Woods was working out too much for a golfer and that Woods balky left knee reportedly was hurt when he was doing something with the navy seals. I don't think KP has the build to put on too much weight. Trying to make him a banger would be a mistake in my opinion.

As for KP, he still has a lot of physical maturing to do- and it has nothing to do with weight lifting. He's underdeveloped for his age- more so than any in this draft, IMO- not even sure if he shaves yet. He might even have another 1/2 inch of growth left. He was about 6'8" when he was 15, and I'm not sure whether that was with or without shoes.

We all get to see the maturation process, but who can really know where it's going to take him?

KP comparisons to KG are also laughable. KG was for all practical purposes a 7 ft guard. He was a great ball handler and passer, had the ability to create his own shot to score one-on-one - which is a key quality that KP lacks and which could cap his potential to be a star in this league. KP is strictly a spot up shooter or garbage basket scorer on the offensive end, and a shot blocker on the defensive end right now, if he develops other aspects of his game, he could become a taller version of Robert Horry, which ain't that bad in itself.

ESOMKnicks wrote:Sabonis was a great shooter and passer and dominant player in Europe when he was just 18. KP does not have the same feel for the game as Sabonis and will never be as good.

KP comparisons to KG are also laughable. KG was for all practical purposes a 7 ft guard. He was a great ball handler and passer, had the ability to create his own shot to score one-on-one - which is a key quality that KP lacks and which could cap his potential to be a star in this league. KP is strictly a spot up shooter or garbage basket scorer on the offensive end, and a shot blocker on the defensive end right now, if he develops other aspects of his game, he could become a taller version of Robert Horry, which ain't that bad in itself.

I know very little is Sabonis in Europe other than he came her past his prime and was one of the best centers in the league. He had the size to be a bull but was content being a more finesse player. Briggs asked for a guy KP's size that made his living on the perimeter. And I gave him one. I don't think KP is gonna be a 7-3 2guard. Also don't thing he is gonna be Shaq. Except for the slick passing, KP looks like a lanky version of Sabonis to me on the floor.

Dude looks like a H&M model here

we want him to use his finesse game. He's going to get stronger inside but we don't want him trying to be Moses Malone inside.

Just get that core and upper body a little swole, not too much.