nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:I agree that there's a chance for DWill to get his act together here in NY. This is a very defined system and his role will be clearer than it's ever been so far in his career. He's been in some awful situations to start his career. Wasn't developed properly. As a forward in this offense what he's likely to be asked to do should be pretty easy to define.

In the video below you see the Lakers running the Triangle with very little dribbling. Ball and Player movement does all the work. DWill is great at moving without the ball and finishing. He should be able to learn the cuts and find the open space on the floor just as he's done in the past but now it's actually defined in the offense and not just him making it up and getting lucky if his teammates see him.

Watch the cuts Odom, Artest and Barnes make and you can get a clear picture of what DWill will be asked to do. In addition to some perimeter looks for 3 and some flashing to the elbow for short jumpers.

Thank you for posting this. People take don't know wtf they are talking about when they trash the triangle. So many different looks. It's a matter of everyone getting familiar. It's beautiful to watch

Yeah it's amazing how much more there is to this style of play when everyone on the floor is familiar and knows how to setup the defense and use deception to fool the defense into thinking they know what you're gonna do and then BANG! You hit a cutting player right behind the D. They didn't have to have any breakdown dribble going on. Just moving, watching, anticipating and passing. It's all fluid too. These aren't plays as much as it's just them playing with the same mind on what they can do to the defense.

The team has to develop great chemistry by knowing the system and how to exploit the defense. You have to know the cuts like it's second nature and the passer already knows what is gonna happen and the guys without the ball know where the ball is gonna go. The longer you stay in this system the better you get at working together and the faster you get at moving and passing.

There's always an option. That's the beauty in it. Just using imagination you can see how certain guys will fit. I can't wait to see it evolve

It takes a lot of practice, and guys need to be real focus. Williams is not a high IQ player, he's going to need time, just like the rest of his mates. You right NIX, theres many angles to run the triangle, but what i saw from the knicks/fishers version, is the same damn angle ever time, it became so predictable that a turnover was almost a given. Opposing teams would play the passing lane, knew where the ball would swing, it was a disaster, and thats putting it mildly.

For williams, fisher needs to capitalize on his strengths, he's not a good passer, ball handler or post up player, so please don't think you can use him like pipen, or odom.

His strengths are Back door cuts, trailing plays, finishing around the rim, and can knock down an open 3 every now and then. He should always be cutting to the basket off a down screen, and pray that he takes to the basket as oppose to settling for a 15 foot jumper like every player we had last season.

It's always about the players. When we added Shved things were no longer so predictable. If a player only does the exact same basic actions it is predictable. That's not how the Triangle works. Remember the Triangle isn't about specific plays. It's a framework that gives the players the freedom to be creative but in an organized and uniform way so that everyone can be on the same page.

It's the players that have to make the on court decisions. They have to use deception to make the defense think they're going one way when the play is in the other direction. That's why I posted the video. Fish, Rambis n Cleamons aren't teaching it wrong!!! They know everything there is to know about the system. Let's not forget they were there with the Lakers when this video was made.

Dude by the time shved came here, there was little to no triangle being run, they started using more PnR which benefited a little, but by no means did it look good, not even close.

I heard D wil saying the triangle was easy because he had grew up watching the lakers. he's going to be in for a rude awaking

Im not disappointed as WE HAVE NOT PLAYED A GAME so why should we?
SAS has taken struggling players, or those who are avg. and when ingrained in the culture and system blossomed!
That's what we can hope for. Evidence is post script. Aldridge went to SAS for a reason.

Phil won with his stars but if you look at the rosters you have to realize the role players at the time they came to Bulls/Lakers were not always big names or high priced talent in prime. Everyone does their part Melo has the potential to look really good in the next two seasons.

One can hope.

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:I agree that there's a chance for DWill to get his act together here in NY. This is a very defined system and his role will be clearer than it's ever been so far in his career. He's been in some awful situations to start his career. Wasn't developed properly. As a forward in this offense what he's likely to be asked to do should be pretty easy to define.

In the video below you see the Lakers running the Triangle with very little dribbling. Ball and Player movement does all the work. DWill is great at moving without the ball and finishing. He should be able to learn the cuts and find the open space on the floor just as he's done in the past but now it's actually defined in the offense and not just him making it up and getting lucky if his teammates see him.

Watch the cuts Odom, Artest and Barnes make and you can get a clear picture of what DWill will be asked to do. In addition to some perimeter looks for 3 and some flashing to the elbow for short jumpers.

Thank you for posting this. People take don't know wtf they are talking about when they trash the triangle. So many different looks. It's a matter of everyone getting familiar. It's beautiful to watch

Yeah it's amazing how much more there is to this style of play when everyone on the floor is familiar and knows how to setup the defense and use deception to fool the defense into thinking they know what you're gonna do and then BANG! You hit a cutting player right behind the D. They didn't have to have any breakdown dribble going on. Just moving, watching, anticipating and passing. It's all fluid too. These aren't plays as much as it's just them playing with the same mind on what they can do to the defense.

The team has to develop great chemistry by knowing the system and how to exploit the defense. You have to know the cuts like it's second nature and the passer already knows what is gonna happen and the guys without the ball know where the ball is gonna go. The longer you stay in this system the better you get at working together and the faster you get at moving and passing.

There's always an option. That's the beauty in it. Just using imagination you can see how certain guys will fit. I can't wait to see it evolve

It takes a lot of practice, and guys need to be real focus. Williams is not a high IQ player, he's going to need time, just like the rest of his mates. You right NIX, theres many angles to run the triangle, but what i saw from the knicks/fishers version, is the same damn angle ever time, it became so predictable that a turnover was almost a given. Opposing teams would play the passing lane, knew where the ball would swing, it was a disaster, and thats putting it mildly.

For williams, fisher needs to capitalize on his strengths, he's not a good passer, ball handler or post up player, so please don't think you can use him like pipen, or odom.

His strengths are Back door cuts, trailing plays, finishing around the rim, and can knock down an open 3 every now and then. He should always be cutting to the basket off a down screen, and pray that he takes to the basket as oppose to settling for a 15 foot jumper like every player we had last season.

It's always about the players. When we added Shved things were no longer so predictable. If a player only does the exact same basic actions it is predictable. That's not how the Triangle works. Remember the Triangle isn't about specific plays. It's a framework that gives the players the freedom to be creative but in an organized and uniform way so that everyone can be on the same page.

It's the players that have to make the on court decisions. They have to use deception to make the defense think they're going one way when the play is in the other direction. That's why I posted the video. Fish, Rambis n Cleamons aren't teaching it wrong!!! They know everything there is to know about the system. Let's not forget they were there with the Lakers when this video was made.

Dude by the time shved came here, there was little to no triangle being run, they started using more PnR which benefited a little, but by no means did it look good, not even close.

I heard D wil saying the triangle was easy because he had grew up watching the lakers. he's going to be in for a rude awaking

You're totally missing the point. The Knicks were still running the Triangle and I can prove it but I don't have to. You're overstating the case of what was going on and why things did show improvement. Of course they still didn't have enough talent but things did improve. I'd love for you to explain what DWill's role will actually be in the Triangle since you sound like you have a clear understanding of what the offense is and what he'd be asked to do. Explain why DWill is in for a "rude awakening".

Because looking at the triangle system from a far, it looks quite easy, and players should be able to pick it up with no problem. Ball movement, player movement, spacing. Take for example acy, prior to him playing here, this guy hardly took mid range jumpers, all of a sudden he's playing in this system, and that's all he took, that wasn't his game or skill set, yet the system turned him into one.

That was the case with damn near everyone last season. The object of any coach is to tweak the system to compliment the player, not take the player out of his comfort zone and force him to do things he's not comfortable doing.

Imagine MDA telling shaq to take more 20 footers when he played for the suns, and all of a sudden shaq is bricking shots, fg percentage takes a major dip, and shaq is no longer the dominate player he was just a yr prior.

If I start seeing Dwill taking a million mid range shots, it tells me that fisher and his staff are still clueless, and are not very good coaches

shved made a slight difference, but gallow, larkin, priggs, jr, shumpert, bargiani, melo, jason, acy, lived in that mid range area. The only 2 players that took it to the hole was AMARE and Shved

knicks1248 wrote:I used the word force because the shot is so wide open everytime that players where settling for it 80% of the time. Those plays to the hoop where there, but all i saw was guards getting all the way to the basket, and kicking it out for YET, another mid rang jumper. Why you think we avg like 3 FT's a game.

shved made a slight difference, but gallow, larkin, priggs, jr, shumpert, bargiani, melo, jason, acy, lived in that mid range area. The only 2 players that took it to the hole was AMARE and Shved

Perfect example is how long Woodson BEGGED JR to go to the hoop. When he did he was a different player, but you couldn't get him to consistently use that part of his game as opposed to the dribble, step back fadeaway jumpers. There's only so much a coach can do. In our case Phil has brought in some guys that will aggressively attack the hoop. That is gonna be a huge factor for this team. Jerian, RoLo, DWill, O'Quinn and Seraphin are willing to score inside around the basket.

Jerian: Offensive Game - Grant is a really good offensive player, he has some of the highest PPP numbers in the draft, showcasing his efficiency and ability to make plays. His PPP comes in at 1.45, the most amongst anyone with 500+ possessions. His two point percentage is at 57.2%, meaning he can knock down the mid-range jumper with consistency. Grant is not the quickest, or fastest player, but he offers a quick first step that gives him a lot of opportunities to get to the rim, or dish to open shooters for good looks from three. Grant also offers wonderful pick and roll skills that provides him an immediate impact. Notre Dame ran quite a few pick and roll plays, where Grant showed he could knock down the three, mid-range, pass, and get to the rim if needed. The pick and roll is becoming a bigger part of the NBA and any player that is a great pick and roll player is an asset to any team. When this is coupled with his passing abilities, Grant is a deadly offensive threat.

RoLo: The offensive rebounding, always a significant part of his game, improved to elite as he's third in the league in offensive rebounding percentage.
Between the pick-and-rolls and the putbacks, Lopez finished 2013-14 with an offensive rating of 128 -- best in the league.

DWill: Strengths - Thanks to hard work last offseason, Williams smoothed out the mechanics of his jump shot, which paid off over the course of the schedule. Following the All-Star break, the wing shot 34.4 percent from downtown, while doubling his 3-point attempts to three per game after taking 1.4 in the season’s first half. Williams was excellent from the outside corners, where he shot 39.6 percent for the year.

Williams’ success from behind the arc forced defenders to close out, opening driving lanes. The forward delivered and scored a career-high 69.6 percent on attempts in the key. Williams showed a knack for finishing contested looks at the rim, as only 12.8 percent of his shots inside five feet were blocked. His SportsCenter-quality dunks accounted for 15 percent of his total shots, converting 89 percent despite high levels of difficulty. Williams made a career-high 44.7 percent of his field goals attempts in total.

“D-Thrill” ran the floor with ease and he was capable of pushing the ball himself. Williams averaged 1.4 turnovers per 36 minutes, the second-best rate on the team. His ability to dribble and penetrate considering his 6-foot-8, 240-pound stature is a testament to his unique talents.