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8/24/2015  4:45 PM
Yet our team is thin defensively from 1-2-3
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What exactly would you have him do in such a short span of time? The better 2 way guards were overpaid. He did address the defense and boards as best he could. Hopefully with better defensive bigs that will help our perimeter players a lot. Not much different than when we had a healthy Tyson and not much else defensively. It's a process and it's gonna take some time.

Jerian and Gallo are good defensive guards. Afflalo has not been as good as he once was but hopefully with some good D behind him he can improve. It's gonna take a team effort rather than having great individual defenders. Phil even mentioned using more pressure against the opposing guards and perhaps using some zone at times.
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nixluva wrote:What exactly would you have him do in such a short span of time? The better 2 way guards were overpaid. He did address the defense and boards as best he could. Hopefully with better defensive bigs that will help our perimeter players a lot. Not much different than when we had a healthy Tyson and not much else defensively. It's a process and it's gonna take some time.

Jerian and Gallo are good defensive guards. Afflalo has not been as good as he once was but hopefully with some good D behind him he can improve. It's gonna take a team effort rather than having great individual defenders. Phil even mentioned using more pressure against the opposing guards and perhaps using some zone at times.

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BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:What exactly would you have him do in such a short span of time? The better 2 way guards were overpaid. He did address the defense and boards as best he could. Hopefully with better defensive bigs that will help our perimeter players a lot. Not much different than when we had a healthy Tyson and not much else defensively. It's a process and it's gonna take some time.

Jerian and Gallo are good defensive guards. Afflalo has not been as good as he once was but hopefully with some good D behind him he can improve. It's gonna take a team effort rather than having great individual defenders. Phil even mentioned using more pressure against the opposing guards and perhaps using some zone at times.

Usually you use good athletes to press


We do have some good athletes!!! Perhaps if you focused less on the few players we have that are old and lack athletic ability then you might notice that we have some younger players who can defend.
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8/24/2015  5:13 PM
To seriously talk about backcourt defense, Phil has to trade Calderon, and perhaps the Crawford rumor isnt true at all.
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8/24/2015  5:16 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13418999/the-phil-files-part-9-new-beginning
Thought he talked about how guys would impact the game on both ends of the court. Also, not the strongest endorsement of Thanasis.
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nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:What exactly would you have him do in such a short span of time? The better 2 way guards were overpaid. He did address the defense and boards as best he could. Hopefully with better defensive bigs that will help our perimeter players a lot. Not much different than when we had a healthy Tyson and not much else defensively. It's a process and it's gonna take some time.

Jerian and Gallo are good defensive guards. Afflalo has not been as good as he once was but hopefully with some good D behind him he can improve. It's gonna take a team effort rather than having great individual defenders. Phil even mentioned using more pressure against the opposing guards and perhaps using some zone at times.

Usually you use good athletes to press


We do have some good athletes!!! Perhaps if you focused less on the few players we have that are old and lack athletic ability then you might notice that we have some younger players who can defend.
briggs brings up fair points. I have always respected your optimism but we still have a lot of defensive liabilities out there. That doesnt mean we are terrible defensively but we definetly need more defense
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8/24/2015  5:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/24/2015  5:38 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Yet our team is thin defensively from 1-2-3

Jerian Grant, Langston Galloway, Arron Afflalo, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Lance Thomas are all/can all be good defenders.


Over half the team in general are good defenders - Robin Lopez, Kyle O'Quinn, potentially Porzingis, etc.


This is compared to last year when the team routinely rolled Tim Hardaway Jr, Amar'e, Bargnani, JR Smith out on the floor.


I think the defense will be much improved.

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StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
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nixluva wrote:What exactly would you have him do in such a short span of time? The better 2 way guards were overpaid. He did address the defense and boards as best he could. Hopefully with better defensive bigs that will help our perimeter players a lot. Not much different than when we had a healthy Tyson and not much else defensively. It's a process and it's gonna take some time.

Jerian and Gallo are good defensive guards. Afflalo has not been as good as he once was but hopefully with some good D behind him he can improve. It's gonna take a team effort rather than having great individual defenders. Phil even mentioned using more pressure against the opposing guards and perhaps using some zone at times.

Usually you use good athletes to press


We do have some good athletes!!! Perhaps if you focused less on the few players we have that are old and lack athletic ability then you might notice that we have some younger players who can defend.
briggs brings up fair points. I have always respected your optimism but we still have a lot of defensive liabilities out there. That doesnt mean we are terrible defensively but we definetly need more defense

As crzymdups pointed out Phil has in fact added a lot more defense to the roster. Focusing on the few guys who don't have any defensive ability is missing the larger point. That's my disagreement with BRIGGS post. We all know there are still areas we need to improve on. BRIGGS point was that Phil talks about D but didn't do anything at the 1,2 or 3. That's not TRUE. You seem to feel the need to want to make me come down off my optimistic view, but this is misplaced. My view about the FACT that Phil has added more defensive talent isn't about optimism it's just a fact. Phil has tried to improve the teams defensive talent. Literally the majority of the players he's brought in are players with some defensive acumen.
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crzymdups wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Yet our team is thin defensively from 1-2-3

Jerian Grant, Langston Galloway, Arron Afflalo, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Lance Thomas are all/can all be good defenders.


Over half the team in general are good defenders - Robin Lopez, Kyle O'Quinn, potentially Porzingis, etc.


This is compared to last year when the team routinely rolled Tim Hardaway Jr, Amar'e, Bargnani, JR Smith out on the floor.


I think the defense will be much improved.


I should be improved considering we were terrible last year. We have guys who have the instincts and the skills, but not the experience. i think folks have their sights a bit high. This team could be a really good defensive club, I dont doubt that. I dont think it will happen as quick as folks may expect because quite a few of those defensive minds have to learn the game as well.
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nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:What exactly would you have him do in such a short span of time? The better 2 way guards were overpaid. He did address the defense and boards as best he could. Hopefully with better defensive bigs that will help our perimeter players a lot. Not much different than when we had a healthy Tyson and not much else defensively. It's a process and it's gonna take some time.

Jerian and Gallo are good defensive guards. Afflalo has not been as good as he once was but hopefully with some good D behind him he can improve. It's gonna take a team effort rather than having great individual defenders. Phil even mentioned using more pressure against the opposing guards and perhaps using some zone at times.

Usually you use good athletes to press


We do have some good athletes!!! Perhaps if you focused less on the few players we have that are old and lack athletic ability then you might notice that we have some younger players who can defend.
briggs brings up fair points. I have always respected your optimism but we still have a lot of defensive liabilities out there. That doesnt mean we are terrible defensively but we definetly need more defense

As crzymdups pointed out Phil has in fact added a lot more defense to the roster. Focusing on the few guys who don't have any defensive ability is missing the larger point. That's my disagreement with BRIGGS post. We all know there are still areas we need to improve on. BRIGGS point was that Phil talks about D but didn't do anything at the 1,2 or 3. That's not TRUE. You seem to feel the need to want to make me come down off my optimistic view, but this is misplaced. My view about the FACT that Phil has added more defensive talent isn't about optimism it's just a fact. Phil has tried to improve the teams defensive talent. Literally the majority of the players he's brought in are players with some defensive acumen.

well you misinterpreted bigtime from what i said. I actually like the defense the newer guys have HOWEVER we do need some more defense to IMO. Secondly i was paying you a compliment by saying you are positive. Im the same way i hate to dwell on negativity
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8/24/2015  7:24 PM
Who is gonna be on the floor to lock up on D with the Knicks up 6 with 2 minutes left in the 4th? OQ, Lopez, afflalo, Gallo, Grant?
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Paris907 wrote:Who is gonna be on the floor to lock up on D with the Knicks up 6 with 2 minutes left in the 4th? OQ, Lopez, afflalo, Gallo, Grant?
Not sure what Gallo's role will be with the improved roster but if you take out O'quinn or Gallo and put in Melo that might be the line up.
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8/24/2015  7:35 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:What exactly would you have him do in such a short span of time? The better 2 way guards were overpaid. He did address the defense and boards as best he could. Hopefully with better defensive bigs that will help our perimeter players a lot. Not much different than when we had a healthy Tyson and not much else defensively. It's a process and it's gonna take some time.

Jerian and Gallo are good defensive guards. Afflalo has not been as good as he once was but hopefully with some good D behind him he can improve. It's gonna take a team effort rather than having great individual defenders. Phil even mentioned using more pressure against the opposing guards and perhaps using some zone at times.

Usually you use good athletes to press


We do have some good athletes!!! Perhaps if you focused less on the few players we have that are old and lack athletic ability then you might notice that we have some younger players who can defend.
briggs brings up fair points. I have always respected your optimism but we still have a lot of defensive liabilities out there. That doesnt mean we are terrible defensively but we definetly need more defense

As crzymdups pointed out Phil has in fact added a lot more defense to the roster. Focusing on the few guys who don't have any defensive ability is missing the larger point. That's my disagreement with BRIGGS post. We all know there are still areas we need to improve on. BRIGGS point was that Phil talks about D but didn't do anything at the 1,2 or 3. That's not TRUE. You seem to feel the need to want to make me come down off my optimistic view, but this is misplaced. My view about the FACT that Phil has added more defensive talent isn't about optimism it's just a fact. Phil has tried to improve the teams defensive talent. Literally the majority of the players he's brought in are players with some defensive acumen.

well you misinterpreted bigtime from what i said. I actually like the defense the newer guys have HOWEVER we do need some more defense to IMO. Secondly i was paying you a compliment by saying you are positive. Im the same way i hate to dwell on negativity

I don't disagree with you about the guys Phil brought in. My disagreement was with what BRIGGS was saying, which is that Phil didn't address the issue of needing more defense at the 1, 2 and 3 position. Of course we need more, but that doesn't mean Phil didn't make improvements as BRIGGS was stating. I'm sure that if Phil could move Jose for a 2 way guard he would.
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nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:What exactly would you have him do in such a short span of time? The better 2 way guards were overpaid. He did address the defense and boards as best he could. Hopefully with better defensive bigs that will help our perimeter players a lot. Not much different than when we had a healthy Tyson and not much else defensively. It's a process and it's gonna take some time.

Jerian and Gallo are good defensive guards. Afflalo has not been as good as he once was but hopefully with some good D behind him he can improve. It's gonna take a team effort rather than having great individual defenders. Phil even mentioned using more pressure against the opposing guards and perhaps using some zone at times.

Usually you use good athletes to press


We do have some good athletes!!! Perhaps if you focused less on the few players we have that are old and lack athletic ability then you might notice that we have some younger players who can defend.
briggs brings up fair points. I have always respected your optimism but we still have a lot of defensive liabilities out there. That doesnt mean we are terrible defensively but we definetly need more defense

As crzymdups pointed out Phil has in fact added a lot more defense to the roster. Focusing on the few guys who don't have any defensive ability is missing the larger point. That's my disagreement with BRIGGS post. We all know there are still areas we need to improve on. BRIGGS point was that Phil talks about D but didn't do anything at the 1,2 or 3. That's not TRUE. You seem to feel the need to want to make me come down off my optimistic view, but this is misplaced. My view about the FACT that Phil has added more defensive talent isn't about optimism it's just a fact. Phil has tried to improve the teams defensive talent. Literally the majority of the players he's brought in are players with some defensive acumen.

well you misinterpreted bigtime from what i said. I actually like the defense the newer guys have HOWEVER we do need some more defense to IMO. Secondly i was paying you a compliment by saying you are positive. Im the same way i hate to dwell on negativity

I don't disagree with you about the guys Phil brought in. My disagreement was with what BRIGGS was saying, which is that Phil didn't address the issue of needing more defense at the 1, 2 and 3 position. Of course we need more, but that doesn't mean Phil didn't make improvements as BRIGGS was stating. I'm sure that if Phil could move Jose for a 2 way guard he would.
thats fine but you cant always get offended if some people bring up legit concerns. Most of us are HAPPY with the offseason moves but its important to remember we are coming off a 17 win year so its gonna be a long tough road despite the solid moves
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8/24/2015  8:09 PM
We don't even have a defensive system
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8/24/2015  8:24 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:What exactly would you have him do in such a short span of time? The better 2 way guards were overpaid. He did address the defense and boards as best he could. Hopefully with better defensive bigs that will help our perimeter players a lot. Not much different than when we had a healthy Tyson and not much else defensively. It's a process and it's gonna take some time.

Jerian and Gallo are good defensive guards. Afflalo has not been as good as he once was but hopefully with some good D behind him he can improve. It's gonna take a team effort rather than having great individual defenders. Phil even mentioned using more pressure against the opposing guards and perhaps using some zone at times.

Usually you use good athletes to press


We do have some good athletes!!! Perhaps if you focused less on the few players we have that are old and lack athletic ability then you might notice that we have some younger players who can defend.
briggs brings up fair points. I have always respected your optimism but we still have a lot of defensive liabilities out there. That doesnt mean we are terrible defensively but we definetly need more defense

As crzymdups pointed out Phil has in fact added a lot more defense to the roster. Focusing on the few guys who don't have any defensive ability is missing the larger point. That's my disagreement with BRIGGS post. We all know there are still areas we need to improve on. BRIGGS point was that Phil talks about D but didn't do anything at the 1,2 or 3. That's not TRUE. You seem to feel the need to want to make me come down off my optimistic view, but this is misplaced. My view about the FACT that Phil has added more defensive talent isn't about optimism it's just a fact. Phil has tried to improve the teams defensive talent. Literally the majority of the players he's brought in are players with some defensive acumen.

well you misinterpreted bigtime from what i said. I actually like the defense the newer guys have HOWEVER we do need some more defense to IMO. Secondly i was paying you a compliment by saying you are positive. Im the same way i hate to dwell on negativity

I don't disagree with you about the guys Phil brought in. My disagreement was with what BRIGGS was saying, which is that Phil didn't address the issue of needing more defense at the 1, 2 and 3 position. Of course we need more, but that doesn't mean Phil didn't make improvements as BRIGGS was stating. I'm sure that if Phil could move Jose for a 2 way guard he would.
thats fine but you cant always get offended if some people bring up legit concerns. Most of us are HAPPY with the offseason moves but its important to remember we are coming off a 17 win year so its gonna be a long tough road despite the solid moves

I'm not personally offended. I simply don't agree that BRIGGS points are legit concerns. You need to stop trying to police my view points as you've been doing for the last few months. IMO BRIGGS was wrong. Phil has in fact tried to improve the teams defense at every position. I simply explained my reason for disagreeing with BRIGGS post. Now whether Phil has done enough to fix the defensive woes is what we'll have to see this year. My guess is that even Phil would tell you he's not done improving the team's perimeter defense.
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8/24/2015  8:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/24/2015  8:43 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:What exactly would you have him do in such a short span of time? The better 2 way guards were overpaid. He did address the defense and boards as best he could. Hopefully with better defensive bigs that will help our perimeter players a lot. Not much different than when we had a healthy Tyson and not much else defensively. It's a process and it's gonna take some time.

Jerian and Gallo are good defensive guards. Afflalo has not been as good as he once was but hopefully with some good D behind him he can improve. It's gonna take a team effort rather than having great individual defenders. Phil even mentioned using more pressure against the opposing guards and perhaps using some zone at times.

Usually you use good athletes to press


We do have some good athletes!!! Perhaps if you focused less on the few players we have that are old and lack athletic ability then you might notice that we have some younger players who can defend.
briggs brings up fair points. I have always respected your optimism but we still have a lot of defensive liabilities out there. That doesnt mean we are terrible defensively but we definetly need more defense

As crzymdups pointed out Phil has in fact added a lot more defense to the roster. Focusing on the few guys who don't have any defensive ability is missing the larger point. That's my disagreement with BRIGGS post. We all know there are still areas we need to improve on. BRIGGS point was that Phil talks about D but didn't do anything at the 1,2 or 3. That's not TRUE. You seem to feel the need to want to make me come down off my optimistic view, but this is misplaced. My view about the FACT that Phil has added more defensive talent isn't about optimism it's just a fact. Phil has tried to improve the teams defensive talent. Literally the majority of the players he's brought in are players with some defensive acumen.

well you misinterpreted bigtime from what i said. I actually like the defense the newer guys have HOWEVER we do need some more defense to IMO. Secondly i was paying you a compliment by saying you are positive. Im the same way i hate to dwell on negativity

I don't disagree with you about the guys Phil brought in. My disagreement was with what BRIGGS was saying, which is that Phil didn't address the issue of needing more defense at the 1, 2 and 3 position. Of course we need more, but that doesn't mean Phil didn't make improvements as BRIGGS was stating. I'm sure that if Phil could move Jose for a 2 way guard he would.
thats fine but you cant always get offended if some people bring up legit concerns. Most of us are HAPPY with the offseason moves but its important to remember we are coming off a 17 win year so its gonna be a long tough road despite the solid moves

I'm not personally offended. I simply don't agree that BRIGGS points are legit concerns. You need to stop trying to police my view points as you've been doing for the last few months. IMO BRIGGS was wrong. Phil has in fact tried to improve the teams defense at every position. I simply explained my reason for disagreeing with BRIGGS post. Now whether Phil has done enough to fix the defensive woes is what we'll have to see this year. My guess is that even Phil would tell you he's not done improving the team's perimeter defense.
dude once again you take offense to what amounts to nothing . I could care less about your views its your right to have any view you want. Hell even when i compliment your loyalty and knowledge you get upset lol. I give up. Anyway im excited to see how grant and KP perform as rookies. I do think we are much improved even though i still have concerns but i wont bother to tell you because it ends up giving me a headache
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8/24/2015  8:40 PM
I really dont see how anyone disagrees with BRIGGS original post, the team is thin defensively at the 1-2-3. Phil did try to shore it up, but it's still thin. it's actually thin and inexperienced defensively. Affalo might be the only guard we can count on defensively, as Grant is a rookie, Galloway really isnt a point and is too short for the 2 and Calderon is garbage on that end. From the 3 spot Melo likely will soak up the majority of those minutes and he isnt a consistently decent defender either.
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Afflalo is a decent defender.
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