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8/19/2015  3:27 PM
I know everyone hates to admit the obvious but we have an All Star surrounded by has-Beens and never have-beens. There is no one other than Melo that is a legitimate NBA impact player. No matter what you hope for in these players, they are just going to continue to be mediocre. KP, as much as we all want to be a star, is a long shot at best and not the 4th best pick in draft. Phil is getting paid ten times more as GM so that he would attract better talent. Yet he presents us with Lopez and Afalo?

Starting to believe the only thing Dolan got was a bigger ego than his. It seems obvious that Jacksons ego has thought it okay to bad mouth every exiting Knick player. Refuse Meetings with free agents. Talk Negatively About his first pick in this years draft. Give his coach no flexibility in offensive schemes. Just don't seem like characteristics of GM who wants to be successful in the league. More like someone who wants to retire. Kerr obviously knew the size of his ego, which was loudly on display during the interviewing process. Starting to see why he ran. And for those that call this a "sky is falling" thread, mark it down for discussion two years from now when Phi retires and leaves us with a team full of role players.

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8/19/2015  3:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2015  3:48 PM
Melo is the only legit NBA impact player on the team? Are you holfresh in disguise or is his stupidity rubbing off on you?
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8/19/2015  3:51 PM
Phil is here to make sound basketball decisions. The idea of attracting top players to a 17 win team is ridiculous. The media blows that out of proportion.
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8/19/2015  3:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2015  3:56 PM
RedmenBaller wrote:I know everyone hates to admit the obvious but we have an All Star surrounded by has-Beens and never have-beens. There is no one other than Melo that is a legitimate NBA impact player. No matter what you hope for in these players, they are just going to continue to be mediocre. KP, as much as we all want to be a star, is a long shot at best and not the 4th best pick in draft. Phil is getting paid ten times more as GM so that he would attract better talent. Yet he presents us with Lopez and Afalo?

Starting to believe the only thing Dolan got was a bigger ego than his. It seems obvious that Jacksons ego has thought it okay to bad mouth every exiting Knick player. Refuse Meetings with free agents. Talk Negatively About his first pick in this years draft. Give his coach no flexibility in offensive schemes. Just don't seem like characteristics of GM who wants to be successful in the league. More like someone who wants to retire. Kerr obviously knew the size of his ego, which was loudly on display during the interviewing process. Starting to see why he ran. And for those that call this a "sky is falling" thread, mark it down for discussion two years from now when Phi retires and leaves us with a team full of role players.

You said it yourself....His ego won't allow him to leave us with roll players. I don't think he leaves until we reach the NBA finals.....Unless he's forced out by Dollan, health or wife. His ego is too big to let his GM era damage his NBA legacy. Plus he knows NYC, and knows the media and fans would never forgot. He's not leaving unless it's on good terms.

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8/19/2015  4:07 PM
TPercy wrote:Melo is the only legit NBA impact player on the team? Are you holfresh in disguise or is his stupidity rubbing off on you?

Let's try. Who else do you consider an NBA impact player and not a role player on this year's squad? Don't know what holfresh is but would bet more than 75% of basketball media, players, coaches would find it okay to label Melo as the only impact player on the team. As he was an All Star for quite some time.

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8/19/2015  4:09 PM
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RedmenBaller wrote:I know everyone hates to admit the obvious but we have an All Star surrounded by has-Beens and never have-beens. There is no one other than Melo that is a legitimate NBA impact player. No matter what you hope for in these players, they are just going to continue to be mediocre. KP, as much as we all want to be a star, is a long shot at best and not the 4th best pick in draft. Phil is getting paid ten times more as GM so that he would attract better talent. Yet he presents us with Lopez and Afalo?

Starting to believe the only thing Dolan got was a bigger ego than his. It seems obvious that Jacksons ego has thought it okay to bad mouth every exiting Knick player. Refuse Meetings with free agents. Talk Negatively About his first pick in this years draft. Give his coach no flexibility in offensive schemes. Just don't seem like characteristics of GM who wants to be successful in the league. More like someone who wants to retire. Kerr obviously knew the size of his ego, which was loudly on display during the interviewing process. Starting to see why he ran. And for those that call this a "sky is falling" thread, mark it down for discussion two years from now when Phi retires and leaves us with a team full of role players.

You said it yourself....His ego won't allow him to leave us with roll players. I don't think he leaves until we reach the NBA finals.....Unless he's forced out by Dollan, health or wife. His ego is too big to let his GM era damage his NBA legacy. Plus he knows NYC, and knows the media and fans would never forgot. He's not leaving unless it's on good terms.

Bigesst worry, as you stated, is his wife, Lakers and sitting back watching with ownership share
of the lakers. Therefore my opinion he just doesn't care what happens.

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8/19/2015  4:33 PM
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TPercy wrote:Melo is the only legit NBA impact player on the team? Are you holfresh in disguise or is his stupidity rubbing off on you?

Let's try. Who else do you consider an NBA impact player and not a role player on this year's squad? Don't know what holfresh is but would bet more than 75% of basketball media, players, coaches would find it okay to label Melo as the only impact player on the team. As he was an All Star for quite some time.

So by. Nba impact player, you mean all star ?

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RedmenBaller wrote:I know everyone hates to admit the obvious but we have an All Star surrounded by has-Beens and never have-beens. There is no one other than Melo that is a legitimate NBA impact player. No matter what you hope for in these players, they are just going to continue to be mediocre. KP, as much as we all want to be a star, is a long shot at best and not the 4th best pick in draft. Phil is getting paid ten times more as GM so that he would attract better talent. Yet he presents us with Lopez and Afalo?

Starting to believe the only thing Dolan got was a bigger ego than his. It seems obvious that Jacksons ego has thought it okay to bad mouth every exiting Knick player. Refuse Meetings with free agents. Talk Negatively About his first pick in this years draft. Give his coach no flexibility in offensive schemes. Just don't seem like characteristics of GM who wants to be successful in the league. More like someone who wants to retire. Kerr obviously knew the size of his ego, which was loudly on display during the interviewing process. Starting to see why he ran. And for those that call this a "sky is falling" thread, mark it down for discussion two years from now when Phi retires and leaves us with a team full of role players.

your interpretation of events, cause and effect, and profiling needs a ton of work.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/19/2015  4:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2015  4:55 PM
TPercy wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
TPercy wrote:Melo is the only legit NBA impact player on the team? Are you holfresh in disguise or is his stupidity rubbing off on you?

Let's try. Who else do you consider an NBA impact player and not a role player on this year's squad? Don't know what holfresh is but would bet more than 75% of basketball media, players, coaches would find it okay to label Melo as the only impact player on the team. As he was an All Star for quite some time.

So by. Nba impact player, you mean all star ?

Hmmm. Yes. Scoring champion. Someone who commands double teams. Someone who opposing teams key on. Someone who draws all of defensive attention and perennial Allstar qualifies as impact player. Heat had three.

Still waiting on who else on team you think the NBA is worried about. Or is this just another you hate Melo discussion?

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8/19/2015  5:04 PM
RedmenBaller wrote:
TPercy wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
TPercy wrote:Melo is the only legit NBA impact player on the team? Are you holfresh in disguise or is his stupidity rubbing off on you?

Let's try. Who else do you consider an NBA impact player and not a role player on this year's squad? Don't know what holfresh is but would bet more than 75% of basketball media, players, coaches would find it okay to label Melo as the only impact player on the team. As he was an All Star for quite some time.

So by. Nba impact player, you mean all star ?

Hmmm. Yes. Scoring champion. Someone who commands double teams. Someone who opposing teams key on. Someone who draws all of defensive attention and perennial Allstar qualifies as impact player. Heat had three.

Still waiting on who else on team you think the NBA is worried about. Or is this just another you hate Melo discussion?

scoring champion 44.9% field goal and 35.6 usage... steerike one

perennial allstar as voted on by the fans, ie a popularity contest... steerike two

someone who commands double teams but never seems to make plays for others out of those double teams... steerike three

melo's problem is that he loves money and wants as much as he can gobble up regardless of his actual value to a winning cause. if he understood his actual value he would have had more opportunities to be on contenders but 2011 and 2014 made that impossible.

but yes, lets do put the burden on his "supporting cast."

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/19/2015  5:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2015  5:26 PM
dk7th wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
TPercy wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
TPercy wrote:Melo is the only legit NBA impact player on the team? Are you holfresh in disguise or is his stupidity rubbing off on you?

Let's try. Who else do you consider an NBA impact player and not a role player on this year's squad? Don't know what holfresh is but would bet more than 75% of basketball media, players, coaches would find it okay to label Melo as the only impact player on the team. As he was an All Star for quite some time.

So by. Nba impact player, you mean all star ?

Hmmm. Yes. Scoring champion. Someone who commands double teams. Someone who opposing teams key on. Someone who draws all of defensive attention and perennial Allstar qualifies as impact player. Heat had three.

Still waiting on who else on team you think the NBA is worried about. Or is this just another you hate Melo discussion?

scoring champion 44.9% field goal and 35.6 usage... steerike one

perennial allstar as voted on by the fans, ie a popularity contest... steerike two

someone who commands double teams but never seems to make plays for others out of those double teams... steerike three

melo's problem is that he loves money and wants as much as he can gobble up regardless of his actual value to a winning cause. if he understood his actual value he would have had more opportunities to be on contenders but 2011 and 2014 made that impossible.

but yes, lets do put the burden on his "supporting cast."

Burden the rest of the team? Lmao. Why would you burden the rest of team in team sport.


Your finally right. Melo has lots of money. As perennial All-stars usually get paid very well. That and over hyped Asian guys that play well for one month (15m). Or centers that sit the bench in the playoffs (16m)

1) 44% shooting is quite good when given the ball.with less than 3 seconds on.clock because no other player on Team can create their own shot.

2) Your right, all those scrubs on All Star teams are just fan favorites.

3) Lebron learned not to pass it to scrubs Melo played with as well.

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8/19/2015  5:22 PM
RedmenBaller wrote:
dk7th wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
TPercy wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
TPercy wrote:Melo is the only legit NBA impact player on the team? Are you holfresh in disguise or is his stupidity rubbing off on you?

Let's try. Who else do you consider an NBA impact player and not a role player on this year's squad? Don't know what holfresh is but would bet more than 75% of basketball media, players, coaches would find it okay to label Melo as the only impact player on the team. As he was an All Star for quite some time.

So by. Nba impact player, you mean all star ?

Hmmm. Yes. Scoring champion. Someone who commands double teams. Someone who opposing teams key on. Someone who draws all of defensive attention and perennial Allstar qualifies as impact player. Heat had three.

Still waiting on who else on team you think the NBA is worried about. Or is this just another you hate Melo discussion?

scoring champion 44.9% field goal and 35.6 usage... steerike one

perennial allstar as voted on by the fans, ie a popularity contest... steerike two

someone who commands double teams but never seems to make plays for others out of those double teams... steerike three

melo's problem is that he loves money and wants as much as he can gobble up regardless of his actual value to a winning cause. if he understood his actual value he would have had more opportunities to be on contenders but 2011 and 2014 made that impossible.

but yes, lets do put the burden on his "supporting cast."

Burden the rest of the team? Lmao. Why would you burden the rest of team in team sport.


Your finally right. Melo has lots of money. As perennial All-stars usually get paid very well. That and over hyped Asian guys that play well for one month (15m). Or centers that sit the bench in the playoffs (16m)

1) 44% shooting is quite good when hide the ball.with less than 3 seconds on.clock because no other player on Team can create their own shot.

2) Your right, all those scrubs on All Star teams are just fan favorites.

3) Lebron learned not to pass it to scrubs Melo played with as well.

whatever intoxicants you are taking at the moment are impairing you. wtf is this gobbledygook?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/19/2015  5:26 PM
blkexec wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:I know everyone hates to admit the obvious but we have an All Star surrounded by has-Beens and never have-beens. There is no one other than Melo that is a legitimate NBA impact player. No matter what you hope for in these players, they are just going to continue to be mediocre. KP, as much as we all want to be a star, is a long shot at best and not the 4th best pick in draft. Phil is getting paid ten times more as GM so that he would attract better talent. Yet he presents us with Lopez and Afalo?

Starting to believe the only thing Dolan got was a bigger ego than his. It seems obvious that Jacksons ego has thought it okay to bad mouth every exiting Knick player. Refuse Meetings with free agents. Talk Negatively About his first pick in this years draft. Give his coach no flexibility in offensive schemes. Just don't seem like characteristics of GM who wants to be successful in the league. More like someone who wants to retire. Kerr obviously knew the size of his ego, which was loudly on display during the interviewing process. Starting to see why he ran. And for those that call this a "sky is falling" thread, mark it down for discussion two years from now when Phi retires and leaves us with a team full of role players.

You said it yourself....His ego won't allow him to leave us with roll players. I don't think he leaves until we reach the NBA finals.....Unless he's forced out by Dollan, health or wife. His ego is too big to let his GM era damage his NBA legacy. Plus he knows NYC, and knows the media and fans would never forgot. He's not leaving unless it's on good terms.

He's already talked about leaving on multiple occasions. He's said that he might not even last for the length of his contract.

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8/19/2015  5:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2015  5:39 PM
dk7th wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
dk7th wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
TPercy wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
TPercy wrote:Melo is the only legit NBA impact player on the team? Are you holfresh in disguise or is his stupidity rubbing off on you?

Let's try. Who else do you consider an NBA impact player and not a role player on this year's squad? Don't know what holfresh is but would bet more than 75% of basketball media, players, coaches would find it okay to label Melo as the only impact player on the team. As he was an All Star for quite some time.

So by. Nba impact player, you mean all star ?

Hmmm. Yes. Scoring champion. Someone who commands double teams. Someone who opposing teams key on. Someone who draws all of defensive attention and perennial Allstar qualifies as impact player. Heat had three.

Still waiting on who else on team you think the NBA is worried about. Or is this just another you hate Melo discussion?

scoring champion 44.9% field goal and 35.6 usage... steerike one

perennial allstar as voted on by the fans, ie a popularity contest... steerike two

someone who commands double teams but never seems to make plays for others out of those double teams... steerike three

melo's problem is that he loves money and wants as much as he can gobble up regardless of his actual value to a winning cause. if he understood his actual value he would have had more opportunities to be on contenders but 2011 and 2014 made that impossible.

but yes, lets do put the burden on his "supporting cast."

Burden the rest of the team? Lmao. Why would you burden the rest of team in team sport.


Your finally right. Melo has lots of money. As perennial All-stars usually get paid very well. That and over hyped Asian guys that play well for one month (15m). Or centers that sit the bench in the playoffs (16m)

1) 44% shooting is quite good when hide the ball.with less than 3 seconds on.clock because no other player on Team can create their own shot.

2) Your right, all those scrubs on All Star teams are just fan favorites.

3) Lebron learned not to pass it to scrubs Melo played with as well.

whatever intoxicants you are taking at the moment are impairing you. wtf is this gobbledygook?


Did not realize.it.was you, the King of gobledecock. Here you go Skippy

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8/19/2015  5:49 PM
Aahhhhh..Frustrations of a Knick fan, get use to it buddy..It's gonna be another 3/4 years of this..
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8/19/2015  5:55 PM
Phil is really about Pure Basketball. This is a man who has lived and breathed basketball on the highest levels for most of his life. It's OK to disagree with his moves this summer but this man is making sound basketball decisions based on what he knows about winning basketball. Phil isn't just making this up as he goes as some think he is. He has a blueprint for how to construct a team and the process takes time. We really need to allow this process to play out.

This team had some talent but it wasn't winning talent and so Phil trashed that roster and nearly started over. There's really no way he could build an immediate title team coming off that 17 win season. In the end he did what as in the best interests of the team. He drafted the player with the most upside possible at #4. He backed that up with a quality PG at #19 and a body guard big at #35. Only time will tell how good this draft will be.

Then Phil added solid NBA caliber Free Agents. He addressed nearly every need the team had this summer. It's not a sexy team but it's solid and a good starting point. This team should be able to compete in the East for a playoff spot. The players Phil has added are for the most part 2 way players and that's very important.

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8/19/2015  5:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2015  6:11 PM
After 4 and half years of watching Melo play hero ball to get us to the playoffs, can we try something different...Frankly, I'm tired of watching it...Melo, hero ball year 7..Can't wait...
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8/19/2015  6:12 PM
nixluva wrote:Phil is really about Pure Basketball. This is a man who has lived and breathed basketball on the highest levels for most of his life. It's OK to disagree with his moves this summer but this man is making sound basketball decisions based on what he knows about winning basketball. Phil isn't just making this up as he goes as some think he is. He has a blueprint for how to construct a team and the process takes time. We really need to allow this process to play out.

This team had some talent but it wasn't winning talent and so Phil trashed that roster and nearly started over. There's really no way he could build an immediate title team coming off that 17 win season. In the end he did what as in the best interests of the team. He drafted the player with the most upside possible at #4. He backed that up with a quality PG at #19 and a body guard big at #35. Only time will tell how good this draft will be.

Then Phil added solid NBA caliber Free Agents. He addressed nearly every need the team had this summer. It's not a sexy team but it's solid and a good starting point. This team should be able to compete in the East for a playoff spot. The players Phil has added are for the most part 2 way players and that's very important.

I would have agreed with you and wrote the same exact first paragraph myself prior to free agency.
The draft like any other draft will be decided in the next three years. Liked Grant pick but questioned a pick with such a risk at 4. Again, I hope he does turn out to be a star.

My point is more of how he conducts himself. Bad mouthing any player previously on your roster
does not seem to be a high class GM move. Specifically from a guy with his accomplishments. Comparing KP to Bradley seemed off. Refusing to meet with LA a bit knee jerky and defeatist.
I do hope your right but at this point I question the ego getting in the way of what is the goal which is improving the squad.

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8/19/2015  6:43 PM
RedmenBaller wrote:I know everyone hates to admit the obvious but we have an All Star surrounded by has-Beens and never have-beens. There is no one other than Melo that is a legitimate NBA impact player. No matter what you hope for in these players, they are just going to continue to be mediocre. KP, as much as we all want to be a star, is a long shot at best and not the 4th best pick in draft. Phil is getting paid ten times more as GM so that he would attract better talent. Yet he presents us with Lopez and Afalo?

Starting to believe the only thing Dolan got was a bigger ego than his. It seems obvious that Jacksons ego has thought it okay to bad mouth every exiting Knick player. Refuse Meetings with free agents. Talk Negatively About his first pick in this years draft. Give his coach no flexibility in offensive schemes. Just don't seem like characteristics of GM who wants to be successful in the league. More like someone who wants to retire. Kerr obviously knew the size of his ego, which was loudly on display during the interviewing process. Starting to see why he ran. And for those that call this a "sky is falling" thread, mark it down for discussion two years from now when Phi retires and leaves us with a team full of role players.

There is no one other than Melo that is a legitimate NBA impact player.

Now that I know that by "NBA impact player" you mean All star caliber talent, you are correct. We don't have any right now on our team for now, but since does Melo need another all star for us to be a playoff caliber team in the east? Boston and Nets made the playoffs with no all stars. Washington made 5th seed with one borderline all star in John Wall. So what exactly is it that you want? a Championship caliber team overnight with fecking Melo as our FIRST option? Interesting.

Phil did add some pretty decent pieces in Lopez, who is one of the top rim protectors in the league who was a big piece of Portland Trial Blazers. Phil correctly addressed our needs of a proper rim protecotor and brought one in. Afflalo was the second best option Phil could have gotten at SG, and keep in mind that the best option was Wesley Matthews coming off a huge injury and even if we got him, you would still moan about how Phil made a stupid risk. We also have Jose Caledron who was always one of the better PGs in the league despite his piss poor defense. Are they all stars? No. But are they good enough to give us a shot at the playoffs? definitely.

KP, as much as we all want to be a star, is a long shot at best and not the 4th best pick in draft.

Who did you want then?
Mudiay? an athletically overrated brick machine?
Hezonja? Dosen't matter he is a Euro and you would have found some way to complain about him.
The only other option who could have been better was Stein in my opinion. Kristaps Porzingis has the potential due to his skill set and physical tools to be one of the most unguardable players in the league and become a great defensive player as well. He is someone for the future and someone who is defintiely worth waiting for. Funny how you didn't mention Jerian Grant who, if we are lucky, has all star potential himself.

Phil is getting paid ten times more as GM so that he would attract better talent. Yet he presents us with Lopez and Afalo?

Who do you think was actually ever going to here even if we didn't have that crappy season?

It seems obvious that Jacksons ego has thought it okay to bad mouth every exiting Knick player.

Agreed here.

Refuse Meetings with free agents. Talk Negatively About his first pick in this years draft. Give his coach no flexibility in offensive schemes.

He refused a meeting? With who?
What was understood was that Lamarcus Aldridge and Phil Jackson AGREED to not meet which was the right course of action. How the hell do you think Melo and LA could ever work together when Melo usually operates in the post, much like LA and both of them have questionable to terrible shot selection. It was a recipe for disaster. Besides, we already developing KP in the PF position anyway.

Please cite where Phil talked negatively of Porzingis.

Fisher in the second half of the season and much more evidently in summer league made some changes to the triangle to suit the players and based on summer league, it worked better somewhat.

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