WaltLongmire wrote:jrodmc wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:jrodmc wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:jrodmc wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:jrodmc wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:Sad, but I respect the dude foster
Ya know what he will believe one day ..c
Gent just doesn't know it yet!
You think he'll believe there is a god one day? Sure it's possible but I seriously doubt it, that's probably just wishful thinking. I think he's been like this since high school and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't say it if he didn't mean it.
(Also are you saying God looks like Mike D'Antoni?)
Antony Flew. Dude wrote books on atheism for decades. Then changed his mind based on facts. You're right; anything's possible.
Plus, are you saying you wanted Tebow to flop for the Jets just because he displays his faith? Foster seems a bit more of an open minded secular atheist than you are.
Antony Flew, I think I've heard about him. Interesting, I will look into him.
The Tebow thing was Walt, I don't believe in football.
Football doesn't believe in you, either.
I always get you and Walt confused. Not sure why. Maybe I'll write a book about it in the Off Topic Forum.
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Translation: you arrogant godless types are all the same #sorrynotsorry #blessed
Subtitle: "I sure hope my passive agressiveness shows my sincere need to be my own God, and that I am truly qualified for the job" #arrestedadolescent #victimmentality
Each of us is our own "god," seems pretty clear at this point in my life.Glover Quin, on the other hand, by throwing out the predestination BS, is running from the personal responsibility we all have as human beings, and putting out the concept that there is a deity out there somewhere pushing buttons which whether I buy whole wheat or multigrain English muffins at Trader Joes. (Bought both, by the way-perhaps an indication that the supreme being could not make up his or her mind for me.)
So it goes.
Sort of great circular reasoning you have there, huh? Me = God, God = nothing, Me = buy my own muffins.
Rather than Trader Joes, why not approach the question at a factual level, with really big things, along the lines of origins, meaning, laws of physics, stuff like that?
You can argue Predestination versus Arminianism all day, all week, all month. That particular discussion has only been going for centuries. If you can bother to accept the premise that there is a supreme, uncaused being greater than you and your two muffins, then whether that supreme being is actually in charge of your muffin buying or just creating somethings like say, the universe, DNA, and the nuclear force, is really small potatoes, right?
Your worldview, as you stated in your first premise, essentially decides the question for you. And actually, that scary deity "out there" may have made that decision for you, too.
Boo!
Love the pretentiousness.Do you actually believe what Quin said about the injury?:
"According to Lions safety Glover Quin, the length of the preseason doesn't matter because the injuries are going to happen no matter what. Quin believes that players like Nelson are predestined by God to be injured."
...Was the injury some kind of divine intervention- Had a deity had already decided that Nelson was not going to play this year... and nothing Nelson could have done or not done could have prevented this outcome?
Do you believe this to be true, and if so, could you give a hypothetical explanation of exactly how this process would work?
Perhaps you could even create your own Old Testament biblical passage to describe it.
This incident has nothing to do with redemption and the salvation of the soul...please explain how a football injury fits into the divine scheme.
You make broad sweeping statements about the existence of God, theology, and metaphysics; I ask some questions, but I'm the one being pretentious?
Here's my flier at a possible explanation:
God is an uncaused, necessary being, who created everthing else.
Everything else would include time.
Being outside of time, which most physicists and cosmologists will agree, had to have a beginning; this premise is actually bolstered by some fairly recent science.
If God is indeed outside of time, that would obviously provide the ability to have planned and controlled all outcomes. I mean, if a being can create time, knowing and pre-ordaining something as minimalist as football injuries seems kind of low on the scale of implausibility, right? As distasteful as it might seem to you, as your own deity, this God probably has a great level of control over things that are much, much more disgusting to us than football injuries.
Can you at least imagine a deity that's actually involved with more than just redemption and soul saving, or that redemption and soul saving might just encompass everything else, including muffin buying and football injuries?
I really don't need to create any OT passages for this, or NT passages, either. They are already there. Believe them or don't. Your choice.
(Not really, but hey, when you're living within time, you at least get the impression it's your choice)
