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8/3/2015  10:52 PM
Good stuff as usual, IMO, but I know some will differ on this evaluation.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13347986/phil-files-part-6-turning-future

Towns/OK4 comments were interesting. Phil felt OK4 was more NBA ready, although Towns would end up being the better player down the line. He says he needed immediate help from the draft, but of course he did not know what slot we would be in back in March;

Big butts vs arms and elbows in the post (Wonder what Genie Buss' butt looks like)

Mudiay going to China seen by Phil as a positive character move;

"Player Ethics"...always a favorite of mine;

Stuff he didn't like about Shved (Looked too much like a Russian porn star from the 70's?);

Acy's desire to shoot;

Defensive differences between Bosh/Noel and D. Lee/Monroe against the dominant trends in offense;

General comments about Knicks players.

NBA: The Phil Files, Part 6 - turning to the future


Charley Rosen, author of 18 books about basketball and a former assistant coach under Phil Jackson in the CBA, spent a day with Jackson in every month of his debut season with the New York Knicks, during which the Hall of Fame coach-turned-executive talked frankly about his roster and his new role as team president. Read Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4 and Part 5. Check back next week for Part 7.

Date: March 23, 2015
Knicks' record: 14-57

Phil Jackson sits at the same round table in the same ritzy private suite in which we'd met just before Christmas. The room is still ringed with uncomfortable-looking metal chairs, and a monstrous TV screen remains affixed to the far wall. Even the buffet is similar.

Many of Jackson's thoughts about his team, even three months later, are likewise familiar.

"I was especially unhappy by the way we lost to Philadelphia last Friday," Jackson says, referencing to the 97-81 defeat at the hands of the 17-win 76ers three days earlier. "When Philly's defense aggressively denied the wing entries, we failed to counter by using our automatics. What was supposed to happen was the center flashes to the high post, receives the ball from a guard, then passes to a wing who's perfectly set up for a back-door cut. None of this happened. Nor did the centers make back-door cuts when they were overplayed in the low post. At this point in the season, these failings are bothersome."


Jackson then goes into specifics on several of his players: "Alexey Shved has been a pleasant surprise," he says about the 26-year-old guard acquired from the Rockets at the trade deadline. "You never know what he's going to do every time he has the ball, but he's tricky when he gets to the hoop and he's an outstanding interior passer. He's an erratic shooter because his release is a little low, so most of his misses are front-rimmers. Also, he's not very strong so the slightest bump can derail him. It'll be up to him how hard he wants to work on his strength during the offseason. But he's certainly a welcome addition."

Despite a protracted stretch of poor play, Jackson remains a fan of Lance Thomas. His up-to-date evaluation of Quincy Acy, a player he was "really enthusiastic" about in the preseason, wasn't quite so positive: "He does work hard, but too often he looks to shoot a jumper. It's like he wants to see if he's hot or not."

Travis Wear is progressing, "but he's overly cautious with the ball because he's so afraid of making a mistake."

Langston Galloway hasn't made a full recovery after "running full-speed into the rookie-wall."

Jackson is happy that Andrea Bargnani is finally back in action after missing most of the season's first half and playing reasonably well. "He's such a good shooter that defenders have to bite on his shot-fakes," Jackson says. "Even so, when Andrea does drive he almost always moves in straight lines. He rarely, if ever, executes any kind of change of direction. And he gets hurt because he can't avoid the resulting contact."

Jason Smith elicits Jackson's most direct comment: "You can tell by his demeanor that he's not happy coming off the bench. He was pressed into a starter's role because Andrea was out, but since he's been coming off the bench, Jason hasn't been shooting well and is much less active on defense."

While Jackson admits that Shane Larkin's play has improved, he's still unhappy with one critical aspect of the smaller guard's game: feeding the pivot. All of Jackson's championship teams featured a center who could use his big butt to establish and maintain low-post position. But Smith, Bargnani and Lou Amundson, lacking the same posterior mass, are obliged to use their arms and elbows to seal off their defenders.

Overall, because of injuries and bench players having to play starters' minutes, "a lot of the guys are worn down, and much more often than not we simply don't have enough juice to be competitive for 48 minutes."


With losses mounting, Phil Jackson and the Knicks front office began sizing up the incoming draft class.s
With the present in disarray, Jackson turns his attention to the future -- specifically the numerous unrestricted free agents who will be available on July 1 and in the upcoming draft. It's no secret now that the Knicks' success -- and Jackson's -- entirely depends on the choices he makes in the offseason.

"This will be a very top-heavy draft," he says. "There are lots of guys I really like. D'Angelo Russell from Ohio State. Jahlil Okafor from Duke. And a bunch of guys from Kentucky: Devin Booker, a 6-6 guard; Willie Cauley-Stein, a 7-foot forward who played wide receiver in high school and loves contact; and of course Karl-Anthony Towns."

The widely held assumption is that, should the Knicks secure the top pick, it's a tossup between whether Jackson would go with either Okafor or Towns. However, after recently watching Kentucky play and witnessing one of their practice sessions, Jackson has this to say about Towns: "For sure, he's a better defender than Okafor, but even in the limited minutes he got during the season, Towns was always in foul trouble. Also, he's not very core-strong. Plus, his big feet will make it difficult for him to maneuver through heavy traffic in the paint. I think in four years Towns will be a better NBA player that Okafor, but Okafor is more NBA-ready right now and we need help ASAP."

Another draft-eligible player Jackson likes is Emmanuel Mudiay, a 6-5 point guard who opted to play in China in lieu of college. "He was hurt over there," Jackson reports, "and he didn't play long enough to bond with his new teammates, but the kid is a team player and very talented."

In addition to watching hours of tape throughout the season, Jackson says he has also done lots of what he calls "intel work" to prepare for the draft.

"It's of vital importance to try to discover the ethics of a player," he says. "What's important to him? In what direction does he want his pro career to go? Is he a leader or a follower? Is he coachable? What's the size of the universe he lives in? In the case of Mudiay, he has a needy family so he needed the immediate money that he could get in China. That tells a lot about the young man's priorities."

Depending on how the ping-pong balls bounce, Phil could also choose to trade down. "It's conceivable that we could trade picks, still get a guy I like, and also get a player who's already an established star, plus another young player who might be on the verge of stardom. There are, and will be, plenty of possibilities."

Even so, Jackson says the game plan en vogue in the NBA will greatly influence the free agents he will investigate. "Screen-roll and screen-pop with stretch-4s are all the rage. That means, on defense, big men must be able to either switch or step out and stop the guards from penetrating. Guys like Chris Bosh and [Nerlens] Noel can. Guys like David Lee and Greg Monroe can't. So finding someone who is able and willing to fit our specific needs is more important than just having lots of salary cap money to spend. Plus, the kicker is that we can't do anything in the free-agent market until we're sure that either Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan are available or not."

Jackson will also be seeking a guard who can get to the hoop. "Wes Matthews would have been perfect for us, but it's a player's recovery from a severe Achilles injury like the one he suffered that is always problematic."

In addition to the private room, there was one more all-too-familiar circumstance that was evident at Madison Square Garden this night: The Knicks suffer another loss, this time a 103-82 defeat to the Memphis Grizzlies.

Jackson, however, remains optimistic.

"There are many examples of a team that went from sh-- to Shinola in a short few years," he says. "Like the Celtics when they added Larry Bird, or the Magic when Shaq and Penny Hardaway got there. So there are plenty of reasons for Knick fans to keep the faith."

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8/3/2015  11:56 PM
Thanks for posting it. I saw quotes from it but didn't realize it was out. I liked this quote especially with some questioning the competence of Phil in his position.
In addition to watching hours of tape throughout the season, Jackson says he has also done lots of what he calls "intel work" to prepare for the draft.

"It's of vital importance to try to discover the ethics of a player," he says. "What's important to him? In what direction does he want his pro career to go? Is he a leader or a follower? Is he coachable? What's the size of the universe he lives in? In the case of Mudiay, he has a needy family so he needed the immediate money that he could get in China. That tells a lot about the young man's priorities."

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8/4/2015  4:24 AM
Nice to know that Phil would have gone after Wes Matthews.
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8/4/2015  9:02 AM
The thing is, at no point was KP and jerian ever mention
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8/4/2015  9:05 AM
knicks1248 wrote:The thing is, at no point was KP and jerian ever mention

This is before the draft order was set, and we were in contention for the #1 pick.

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8/4/2015  9:22 AM
when phil writes his next book the record will show he was forced to keep carmelo anthony by dolan.
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8/4/2015  9:44 AM
dk7th wrote:when phil writes his next book the record will show he was forced to keep carmelo anthony by dolan.

I doubt it, IMO it had more to do with him weighing his options and deciding its better to resign Melo as. #1 he still generates money for the franchise. #2 We could possibly trade him and get something back later rather then lose him for nothing. #3 He works out and brings his game to a new level under the tri.

Him caving in to the max also was because he had no real leverage. If we are going to offer less then there is no reason for him not to sign with the Bulls.

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8/4/2015  9:58 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
dk7th wrote:when phil writes his next book the record will show he was forced to keep carmelo anthony by dolan.

I doubt it, IMO it had more to do with him weighing his options and deciding its better to resign Melo as. #1 he still generates money for the franchise. #2 We could possibly trade him and get something back later rather then lose him for nothing. #3 He works out and brings his game to a new level under the tri.

Him caving in to the max also was because he had no real leverage. If we are going to offer less then there is no reason for him not to sign with the Bulls.

the diff between us and the bulls was > 50 million. There was room to negotiate.

I think that:

1. he hoped that carmelo would help him draw top tier FA's - FAIL
2. he had to resign him because he at least had trade value and it would have been silly to lose him for nothing - WE WILL SEE
3. he can get him to play phils way - NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. MELO NEEDS BUCKETS

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/4/2015  10:23 AM
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newyorknewyork wrote:
dk7th wrote:when phil writes his next book the record will show he was forced to keep carmelo anthony by dolan.

I doubt it, IMO it had more to do with him weighing his options and deciding its better to resign Melo as. #1 he still generates money for the franchise. #2 We could possibly trade him and get something back later rather then lose him for nothing. #3 He works out and brings his game to a new level under the tri.

Him caving in to the max also was because he had no real leverage. If we are going to offer less then there is no reason for him not to sign with the Bulls.

the diff between us and the bulls was > 50 million. There was room to negotiate.

I think that:

1. he hoped that carmelo would help him draw top tier FA's - FAIL
2. he had to resign him because he at least had trade value and it would have been silly to lose him for nothing - WE WILL SEE
3. he can get him to play phils way - NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. MELO NEEDS BUCKETS

He did negotiate, he offered multiple scenarios at different contract ranges. This was all documented. Phil wasn't in position to offer a take it or leave it type of deal for Melo. And if the Bulls know that we aren't giving up max then they would have no reason to trade with us for Melo.

And yet still Phil did what he was supposed to do and minimized the downside by rebuilding reguardless of Carmelo Anthony.

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8/4/2015  10:54 AM
knicks1248 wrote:The thing is, at no point was KP and jerian ever mention

I'm not sure if Porzingis was even on any team's radar that soon. He was late to the list of considerations for a top pick.

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8/4/2015  10:56 AM
dk7th wrote:when phil writes his next book the record will show he was forced to keep carmelo anthony by dolan.

Phil isn't dumb. Even if he wasn't in love with Melo's game, he still wasn't going to lose him for nothing. You resign your best player and figure it out later.

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8/4/2015  11:05 AM
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knicks1248 wrote:The thing is, at no point was KP and jerian ever mention

I'm not sure if Porzingis was even on any team's radar that soon. He was late to the list of considerations for a top pick.

Teams like Philly, Orlando, and I thought I heard Atlanta, knew about him from last year when he pulled out of the draft. Thought I read that Hinkie would have taken him at 10...probably a Euro stash move- he ended up taking Payton and leveraged some things from Orlando, who liked him enough to trade assets for him.

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8/4/2015  11:21 AM
IN the end Phil made the right decisions in the draft. He may have wanted a young player who could help immediately but he realized that the best option was to grab as much talent as he could for the future. It's clear to me that Phil's vision of team building starts with the Big Men. KP and Lopez along with the other bigs he's added and will add are the key in his mind. The spacing and effectiveness of the Triangle hinges on capable big men. They may not always be stars like Shaq, but they have to have certain abilities to hold position in the post and create the spacing the offense needs. Also he wants his bigs to attack the basket, which will suck the defense in and create openings for the other players. Not to mention that it's high percentage scoring inside. The more skilled and intelligent the bigs are the better. Pau and Bynum used to do a lot of big to big passing and I can see KP making passes to RoLo and others.

He also got exactly what he wanted at guard with Jerian. Big, smart, skilled and aggressive. He needs one more guard like that and I think he'll be happy. This isn't about Melo, but rather making the rest of the roster much more functional regardless of Melo. He always had rosters around his stars that could function at a good level. Those role players are very important to the overall functioning of the team. The better these role players are the less dependent on Melo the team will be and that will lead to wins.

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8/4/2015  11:22 AM
mreinman wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
dk7th wrote:when phil writes his next book the record will show he was forced to keep carmelo anthony by dolan.

I doubt it, IMO it had more to do with him weighing his options and deciding its better to resign Melo as. #1 he still generates money for the franchise. #2 We could possibly trade him and get something back later rather then lose him for nothing. #3 He works out and brings his game to a new level under the tri.

Him caving in to the max also was because he had no real leverage. If we are going to offer less then there is no reason for him not to sign with the Bulls.

the diff between us and the bulls was > 50 million. There was room to negotiate.

I think that:

1. he hoped that carmelo would help him draw top tier FA's - FAIL
2. he had to resign him because he at least had trade value and it would have been silly to lose him for nothing - WE WILL SEE
3. he can get him to play phils way - NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. MELO NEEDS BUCKETS

I wonder what Melo's failed pitch was to free agents? What would be his sales pitch? It couldn't be the roster. The Knicks had 6 undrafted guys on the team last year and 5 were starters or rotation players. It couldn't be the media and the taxes and cost of living certainly wouldn't help. I am not sure how he could succeed in getting Aldrich to choose NY. All the other guys stayed with their teams.
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8/4/2015  11:32 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:The thing is, at no point was KP and jerian ever mention

I'm not sure if Porzingis was even on any team's radar that soon. He was late to the list of considerations for a top pick.

Teams like Philly, Orlando, and I thought I heard Atlanta, knew about him from last year when he pulled out of the draft. Thought I read that Hinkie would have taken him at 10...probably a Euro stash move- he ended up taking Payton and leveraged some things from Orlando, who liked him enough to trade assets for him.

Right, he was considered a late lottery pick at the time. It wasn't until maybe march/april that teams realized how good he really was, and he was a lock for the top 5 and legit #1 pick candidate. That is what i meant.

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8/4/2015  11:52 AM
dk7th wrote:when phil writes his next book the record will show he was forced to keep carmelo anthony by dolan.

phil said he didn't care if melo signed or not, i remember him saying something like, "if melo signed then were good, if melo doesn't signed were good.

Dolan has kept his word about letting phil do him, yet you seemed to have this inside track about everything associated with melo behind close doors.

I think your in a bit of denial when it comes to melo, like your hearing one thing and coming up with your own conclusion. I don't know how many times i heard phil say, you need a guy like melo to carry us when the scoring becomes a struggle..

Phil has had the 2 biggest ball hogs the NBA has ever seen in MJ and KOBE, and he's won big with both, you don't think for a second that he didn't think about that

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8/4/2015  11:57 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
dk7th wrote:when phil writes his next book the record will show he was forced to keep carmelo anthony by dolan.

phil said he didn't care if melo signed or not, i remember him saying something like, "if melo signed then were good, if melo doesn't signed were good.

Dolan has kept his word about letting phil do him, yet you seemed to have this inside track about everything associated with melo behind close doors.

I think your in a bit of denial when it comes to melo, like your hearing one thing and coming up with your own conclusion. I don't know how many times i heard phil say, you need a guy like melo to carry us when the scoring becomes a struggle..

Phil has had the 2 biggest ball hogs the NBA has ever seen in MJ and KOBE, and he's won big with both, you don't think for a second that he didn't think about that

Please don't compare our chucker to those All Time Great category chuckers.

For all their volume, they actually made their teammates better at the same time. Those guys averaged 5 assists for their career. Kobe had seasons averaging 6, Jordan had a season averaging 8!

No comparison at all.

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8/4/2015  12:09 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
dk7th wrote:when phil writes his next book the record will show he was forced to keep carmelo anthony by dolan.

phil said he didn't care if melo signed or not, i remember him saying something like, "if melo signed then were good, if melo doesn't signed were good.

Dolan has kept his word about letting phil do him, yet you seemed to have this inside track about everything associated with melo behind close doors.

I think your in a bit of denial when it comes to melo, like your hearing one thing and coming up with your own conclusion. I don't know how many times i heard phil say, you need a guy like melo to carry us when the scoring becomes a struggle..

Phil has had the 2 biggest ball hogs the NBA has ever seen in MJ and KOBE, and he's won big with both, you don't think for a second that he didn't think about that

+1. Exactly right.

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8/4/2015  12:23 PM
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
dk7th wrote:when phil writes his next book the record will show he was forced to keep carmelo anthony by dolan.

phil said he didn't care if melo signed or not, i remember him saying something like, "if melo signed then were good, if melo doesn't signed were good.

Dolan has kept his word about letting phil do him, yet you seemed to have this inside track about everything associated with melo behind close doors.

I think your in a bit of denial when it comes to melo, like your hearing one thing and coming up with your own conclusion. I don't know how many times i heard phil say, you need a guy like melo to carry us when the scoring becomes a struggle..

Phil has had the 2 biggest ball hogs the NBA has ever seen in MJ and KOBE, and he's won big with both, you don't think for a second that he didn't think about that

+1. Exactly right.


So during contract flux you expected Phil to be saying that he could not go on living without Anthony being on the Knicks? Do ya think Jackson might have been posturing with that statement?...

And none of us know what role Dolan played in this recent contract- do we.


Are you actually equating Anthony with Jordan and Kobe??!!

Anthony can do some good things on the court, but he should not even be mentioned in the same sentence with those two guys, even more so at this stage of his career.

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WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
dk7th wrote:when phil writes his next book the record will show he was forced to keep carmelo anthony by dolan.

phil said he didn't care if melo signed or not, i remember him saying something like, "if melo signed then were good, if melo doesn't signed were good.

Dolan has kept his word about letting phil do him, yet you seemed to have this inside track about everything associated with melo behind close doors.

I think your in a bit of denial when it comes to melo, like your hearing one thing and coming up with your own conclusion. I don't know how many times i heard phil say, you need a guy like melo to carry us when the scoring becomes a struggle..

Phil has had the 2 biggest ball hogs the NBA has ever seen in MJ and KOBE, and he's won big with both, you don't think for a second that he didn't think about that

+1. Exactly right.


So during contract flux you expected Phil to be saying that he could not go on living without Anthony being on the Knicks? Do ya think Jackson might have been posturing with that statement?...

And none of us know what role Dolan played in this recent contract- do we.


Are you actually equating Anthony with Jordan and Kobe??!!

Anthony can do some good things on the court, but he should not even be mentioned in the same sentence with those two guys, even more so at this stage of his career.

Well said Walt! Only thing Me7o can compare with MJ or Kobe is in lifetime contract payouts and sneaker endorsements, not on the court achievements.

Nothing wrong with that. AI made a killin in his career, Gilbert Arenas the same. Kemp, Vin Baker, Juwan Howard, etc etc.

Dolan/Jax signing Melo is basically signing him as an asset, not as a franchise cornerstone. He sells jerseys, plays at a decent enough level if healthy, and could be moved to another team needing a Goto scorer hopefully soon.

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