TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

Really. Who has performed well? Also, JR does come to mind but he failed every spring.

how has melo done in the spring?

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

Really. Who has performed well? Also, JR does come to mind but he failed every spring.

how has melo done in the spring?

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

Really. Who has performed well? Also, JR does come to mind but he failed every spring.

how has melo done in the spring?

He has won two player of the months in April and managed to carry a pretty heavy load in the playoffs while his teammates wilted. Too bad the Knicks didn't play Cope more

Melo has been an all time stinker in the playoffs. Blame the world but nobody cares. Life sucks for the poor bastard.

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

So why did Phil trade the entire team outside of Melo?

Because no other player on the team generates money even close to what Melo does.
It's just common sense of business.
Stars like him let go only after organization squeezed all possible profits out of them.
Melo still can make big $$$ for MSG.

So, is it your belief that the team of the last few years around Melo was a good team?

how was the team around James Harden?

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

Really. Who has performed well? Also, JR does come to mind but he failed every spring.

how has melo done in the spring?

He has won two player of the months in April and managed to carry a pretty heavy load in the playoffs while his teammates wilted. Too bad the Knicks didn't play Cope more

Wrong answer Crush. The correct answer is phucking hideous.

Season      Age  Tm  Lg Pos  G GS   MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P% eFG%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2003-04      19 DEN NBA  SF  4  4 35.8  5.3 16.0 .328 0.5 2.8 .182 4.8 13.3 .358 .344 4.0  5.0 .800 1.8 6.5  8.3 2.8 1.3 0.0 4.3 2.8 15.0
2004-05      20 DEN NBA  SF  5  5 36.0  7.0 16.6 .422 0.0 0.2 .000 7.0 16.4 .427 .422 5.2  6.4 .813 2.8 2.6  5.4 2.0 0.6 0.2 2.6 4.0 19.2
2005-06      21 DEN NBA  SF  5  5 38.6  6.6 19.8 .333 0.0 0.8 .000 6.6 19.0 .347 .333 7.8 10.4 .750 2.4 4.2  6.6 2.8 0.8 0.2 3.0 4.0 21.0
2006-07      22 DEN NBA  SF  5  5 42.0  9.4 19.6 .480 1.8 3.6 .500 7.6 16.0 .475 .526 6.2  7.8 .795 3.6 5.0  8.6 1.2 1.0 0.0 3.8 2.4 26.8
2007-08      23 DEN NBA  SF  4  4 36.5  8.0 22.0 .364 0.5 2.0 .250 7.5 20.0 .375 .375 6.0  7.3 .828 4.8 4.8  9.5 2.0 0.5 0.3 3.0 4.3 22.5
2008-09      24 DEN NBA  SF 16 16 38.3  9.1 20.1 .453 1.5 4.1 .364 7.6 16.0 .477 .491 7.4  9.0 .826 1.6 4.2  5.8 4.1 1.8 0.6 2.3 3.8 27.2
2009-10      25 DEN NBA  SF  6  6 42.3 10.7 23.0 .464 1.0 3.2 .316 9.7 19.8 .487 .486 8.3  9.5 .877 2.3 6.2  8.5 3.3 2.0 0.5 3.5 4.3 30.7
2010-11      26 NYK NBA  SF  4  4 39.0  8.3 22.0 .375 2.3 6.5 .346 6.0 15.5 .387 .426 7.3  8.5 .853 3.3 7.0 10.3 4.8 1.3 0.8 3.3 4.0 26.0
2011-12      27 NYK NBA  SF  5  5 40.8 10.4 24.8 .419 0.8 3.6 .222 9.6 21.2 .453 .435 6.2  8.2 .756 2.6 5.6  8.2 2.2 1.2 0.2 2.8 4.2 27.8
2012-13      28 NYK NBA  PF 12 12 40.1 10.5 25.8 .406 1.4 4.8 .298 9.1 21.1 .431 .434 6.4  7.3 .885 0.9 5.7  6.6 1.6 1.1 0.2 2.6 3.8 28.8
Career              NBA     66 66 39.1  8.9 21.4 .417 1.1 3.5 .320 7.8 18.0 .435 .442 6.7  8.1 .826 2.2 5.0  7.3 2.8 1.3 0.3 2.9 3.8 25.7
                                                                                                                                         
7 seasons       DEN NBA     45 45 38.6  8.4 19.8 .424 1.0 2.8 .339 7.4 17.0 .438 .448 6.8  8.3 .818 2.4 4.6  7.1 3.0 1.3 0.4 3.0 3.7 24.5
3 seasons       NYK NBA     21 21 40.0 10.0 24.9 .404 1.4 4.8 .297 8.6 20.0 .430 .433 6.5  7.7 .846 1.8 5.9  7.7 2.3 1.1 0.3 2.8 4.0 28.0

41% FG for his career. A few in the 30s! 3 Turnovers a game for his postseason career. 1.6 assists per game on that Mirage 54 win seeason!

Let's call a spade a spade shall we. Dude sucks ass in the playoffs, to put it lightly.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

Really. Who has performed well? Also, JR does come to mind but he failed every spring.

the knicks haven't performed well because melo forced a trade-- with dolan's blessing-- of good players and thrust the knicks into win-now mode. the team has been in turmoil ever since he arrived, including the 54 wins, with dolan meddling all the way. the trail of destruction from these two malignant narcissists is clear. dolan finally admitted he does not understand what he is doing and agreed to step aside with only one demand, that melo be retained. melo refused to do the right thing by taking a meaningful pay cut because in spite of all the words he is all about money and branding.

nevertheless at least someone talked sense to dolan who agreed to hire jackson... and the rebuild finally began. too bad melo thought that he could have his cake and eat it too. but then he is very stupid and very selfish.

culture change means cleaning up dolan and melo's doodoo. that's the core issue, not some idiotic "supporting cast" bullshyte.

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

So why did Phil trade the entire team outside of Melo?

Because no other player on the team generates money even close to what Melo does.
It's just common sense of business.
Stars like him let go only after organization squeezed all possible profits out of them.
Melo still can make big $$$ for MSG.

So, is it your belief that the team of the last few years around Melo was a good team?

how was the team around James Harden?

Dwight Howard has led his team to the Finals already, something Harden hasn't done...DHow will have a bigger role this year or they won't go far...

stop with Orlando Howard. That was last century .... geeez

howard is a soft loser. Tyson is even better than he is at this point. Howard is a dumb player with a pea-brain.

who else did they have? Josh Smith? Jason Terry? Happy Walters? Cory Brewer?

Trevor Ariza was their second best player. That ain't good. And with all that, Harden has played himself into super stardom.

I know ... you are not happy about this.

ChuckBuck wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

Really. Who has performed well? Also, JR does come to mind but he failed every spring.

how has melo done in the spring?

He has won two player of the months in April and managed to carry a pretty heavy load in the playoffs while his teammates wilted. Too bad the Knicks didn't play Cope more

Wrong answer Crush. The correct answer is phucking hideous.

Season      Age  Tm  Lg Pos  G GS   MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P% eFG%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2003-04      19 DEN NBA  SF  4  4 35.8  5.3 16.0 .328 0.5 2.8 .182 4.8 13.3 .358 .344 4.0  5.0 .800 1.8 6.5  8.3 2.8 1.3 0.0 4.3 2.8 15.0
2004-05      20 DEN NBA  SF  5  5 36.0  7.0 16.6 .422 0.0 0.2 .000 7.0 16.4 .427 .422 5.2  6.4 .813 2.8 2.6  5.4 2.0 0.6 0.2 2.6 4.0 19.2
2005-06      21 DEN NBA  SF  5  5 38.6  6.6 19.8 .333 0.0 0.8 .000 6.6 19.0 .347 .333 7.8 10.4 .750 2.4 4.2  6.6 2.8 0.8 0.2 3.0 4.0 21.0
2006-07      22 DEN NBA  SF  5  5 42.0  9.4 19.6 .480 1.8 3.6 .500 7.6 16.0 .475 .526 6.2  7.8 .795 3.6 5.0  8.6 1.2 1.0 0.0 3.8 2.4 26.8
2007-08      23 DEN NBA  SF  4  4 36.5  8.0 22.0 .364 0.5 2.0 .250 7.5 20.0 .375 .375 6.0  7.3 .828 4.8 4.8  9.5 2.0 0.5 0.3 3.0 4.3 22.5
2008-09      24 DEN NBA  SF 16 16 38.3  9.1 20.1 .453 1.5 4.1 .364 7.6 16.0 .477 .491 7.4  9.0 .826 1.6 4.2  5.8 4.1 1.8 0.6 2.3 3.8 27.2
2009-10      25 DEN NBA  SF  6  6 42.3 10.7 23.0 .464 1.0 3.2 .316 9.7 19.8 .487 .486 8.3  9.5 .877 2.3 6.2  8.5 3.3 2.0 0.5 3.5 4.3 30.7
2010-11      26 NYK NBA  SF  4  4 39.0  8.3 22.0 .375 2.3 6.5 .346 6.0 15.5 .387 .426 7.3  8.5 .853 3.3 7.0 10.3 4.8 1.3 0.8 3.3 4.0 26.0
2011-12      27 NYK NBA  SF  5  5 40.8 10.4 24.8 .419 0.8 3.6 .222 9.6 21.2 .453 .435 6.2  8.2 .756 2.6 5.6  8.2 2.2 1.2 0.2 2.8 4.2 27.8
2012-13      28 NYK NBA  PF 12 12 40.1 10.5 25.8 .406 1.4 4.8 .298 9.1 21.1 .431 .434 6.4  7.3 .885 0.9 5.7  6.6 1.6 1.1 0.2 2.6 3.8 28.8
Career              NBA     66 66 39.1  8.9 21.4 .417 1.1 3.5 .320 7.8 18.0 .435 .442 6.7  8.1 .826 2.2 5.0  7.3 2.8 1.3 0.3 2.9 3.8 25.7
                                                                                                                                         
7 seasons       DEN NBA     45 45 38.6  8.4 19.8 .424 1.0 2.8 .339 7.4 17.0 .438 .448 6.8  8.3 .818 2.4 4.6  7.1 3.0 1.3 0.4 3.0 3.7 24.5
3 seasons       NYK NBA     21 21 40.0 10.0 24.9 .404 1.4 4.8 .297 8.6 20.0 .430 .433 6.5  7.7 .846 1.8 5.9  7.7 2.3 1.1 0.3 2.8 4.0 28.0

41% FG for his career. A few in the 30s! 3 Turnovers a game for his postseason career. 1.6 assists per game on that Mirage 54 win seeason!

Let's call a spade a spade shall we. Dude sucks ass in the playoffs, to put it lightly.

He's not as efficient in the post season as the regular season true. But to say he sucks ass is an exaggeration. His rebs, ft attempts, ft %, pts per game, stls all have gone up in the playoffs. And the difference between a 40% fg game 45% fg game and a 50% fg game could be one or two shots the whole game. Hisbast going down should be his biggest knock.

newyorknewyork wrote:

holfresh wrote:Ariza/Josh Smith/Brewer/DHow/Beverly are better than anyone Melo has played with on the Knicks..

The same yr we won 54 games we went farther then OKC who had Ibaka Martin Jackson Durant and people tries to argue that Durant didn't have enough help since Melo went farther that yr. Yet Ibaka is better then anyone on our roster that yr including Tyson and Martin is better then JR Smith Jackson is better then Felton.

It's pretty much accepted that Kobe, Durant, Shaq, DHow, Harden, Love, etc can't do it alone..But Melo is a loser because he can't do it alone...He is not a team player, he doesn't make the rest of the team better..