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8/3/2015  11:47 AM
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

Michael Jordan averaged 8 Assists a game the season before Phil Jackson took over, so he was already a good fit for the triangle. Kobe Bryant averaged 5 assists a game while in Jackson's triangle.

Melo is just a bad fit for any structured offense, period. He needs the ball in his hands, he can't play the game away the ball like the great ones can.

Even Melo's finest career moment in Syracuse, guess how many assists he had in the Championship game....One.

Well we all know that a high assist total is more important than winning a Championship..If Phil feels that way, he should talk Melo into a trade...

That's the whole point really. Bad fit, no hard feelings. Jackson will probably have a heart to heart midway through this season to see if it's best to trade by the deadline or wait until after the season.

Bad fit?..Do you not think Phil knew who Melo was when he gave him 124 mil??..Who do you think got it wrong, you or Phil??

when the truth comes out it will show that jackson gave dolan the concession of melo but everything else down the line is jackson. the reason why melo is here is because of dolan, not jackson. there is no other realistic explanation.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/3/2015  11:48 AM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

The guy that averaged 28 and 7 had a lot to do with it.
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8/3/2015  11:50 AM
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

Michael Jordan averaged 8 Assists a game the season before Phil Jackson took over, so he was already a good fit for the triangle. Kobe Bryant averaged 5 assists a game while in Jackson's triangle.

Melo is just a bad fit for any structured offense, period. He needs the ball in his hands, he can't play the game away the ball like the great ones can.

Even Melo's finest career moment in Syracuse, guess how many assists he had in the Championship game....One.

Well we all know that a high assist total is more important than winning a Championship..If Phil feels that way, he should talk Melo into a trade...

That's the whole point really. Bad fit, no hard feelings. Jackson will probably have a heart to heart midway through this season to see if it's best to trade by the deadline or wait until after the season.

Bad fit?..Do you not think Phil knew who Melo was when he gave him 124 mil??..Who do you think got it wrong, you or Phil??

Melo is still a worthwhile trade chip to have. Especially with the exploding cap, teams with cap space and assets would not balk to make the transaction.

The triangle and Phil won't last a year without Melo..Dolan won't stand for 3 years of sub 30 win teams...And Phil know that..

the knicks will be just fine without melo. he's the last large barnacle on the otherwise clean hull of the knicks ship.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/3/2015  11:50 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

The guy that averaged 28 and 7 had a lot to do with it.

yeah ... he certainly did

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/3/2015  11:51 AM
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blkexec wrote:i dont mind being the only one that believes Melo will be a different player under Phil and his triangle system. He has the jordan brand and bff with kobe. If he signed here because of phil then he believes he will win a chip in nyc. He has too much pride anf nyc connections to quit. So when you have a motivated star willing to prove haters wrong, that usually results into team success. Melo today is not the same melo of yesterday. ......
And for the record im not a melo fan. But i believe everybody has the opportunity to change. This is the best time for melo to prove everybody wrong.


Under what conditions will Melo change?

Conditions in which I've seen, across all professional sports, and general modern sports history, where players have RADICALLY changed their mindset, approach, preparation and attitude

1) When they are dead broke and need that next contract to keep afloat and they realize their marketability has waned to close to nothing. This happened to Vince Carter. He reinvented himself, late career, in Dallas, under Rick Carlisle into a functional role player who played more team ball and more efficiently. But the critical factor was he wanted to keep playing to make money

2) When the player is on the roster fringe and their playing opportunities dry up. This happened to Allen Iverson. Who wanted to be a starter, refused to accept he was no longer an NBA starter, didn't want to humble himself by going to the D League, rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, when he finally recanted and said he'd play any role any team wanted, every NBA team decided a sub 6 foot malcontent alcoholic that was no longer protected by Stern's refs because he no longer sold enough shoes and merchandise, just wasn't worth the roster spot, headache and minimum contract.

What incentive does Melo have to change? He's gotten nearly everything he wanted out of NY and the Knicks kowtowed to his demands. Want Lin gone? Fine. Want Chandler gone? Fine. Want to infuse your CAA buddies to keep Leon Rose happy? Fine. Want Pringles clipped? Fine. Want to lock in that deal before the labor agreement changes? Fine. Want that big extension? Fine.

The Knicks have given Melo pretty much everything he wanted and the team got worse and worse and the mother ****er still doesn't play defense.


What is with this "haters" bull****.

IF YOU DON'T PLAY DEFENSE BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK AND YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ALPHA DOG ON YOUR TEAM, AND YOU GET CRITICIZED FOR IT, THAT'S NOT "HATE" THE END RESULT IS YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER STUPID MOTHER FUCKER WHO REFUSES TO PLAY DEFENSE AND HELPS YOUR TEAM LOSE INSTEAD OF WIN.

Yes, it's "hate" why Melo can't ****ing play defense. Do you really want to push that happy horse **** some more?

Every time Melo fails to do the BARE MINIMUM EXPECTED OF A PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYER, he is an insult to every loyal Knicks fan out there. Every time he showed up in non elite condition. Every time he simply didn't care and didn't try on defense. Every time he said something team killing in the press. Every team mate and coach he drove off the roster even if they could help the team win.

It's an insult.

Dude, where is the "hate" when most of his biggest critics here just want him to shut up, show up in elite condition, play defense and actually take the responsibility of being a leader, in the locker room and as an example.

Where is your mother ****ing dignity?

It is undignified to have ANY PLAYER shirk the bare minimum required to do his job the right way and put on that Knicks jersey.

Something you Melo ball lickers don't quite get here. Melo's biggest critics here would CRITICIZE ANY PLAYER WHO WORE THAT KNICKS JERSEY AND DIDN'T PLAY THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY.

What Melo does ( and more to point, what he does not do) and fails to provide the bare minimum expected of a professional is an insult to what "Knicks basketball" should be.

Anyone here who accepts ANY KNICK PLAYER who gives anything less that pure excellence, that's just a disgrace. I'm not talking about scoring championships, I'm not talking about ALL STAR berths, I'm not talking about rings. I'm talking about playing the game the right way, giving unto the greater good of the team, sacrificing because winning come before all.


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Coach Gary Gaines: Being perfect is not about that scoreboard out there. It's not about winning. It's about you and your relationship with yourself, your family and your friends. Being perfect is about being able to look your friends in the eye and know that you didnt let them down because you told them the truth. And that truth is you did everything you could. There wasnt one more thing you could've done. Can you live in that moment as best you can, with clear eyes, and love in your heart, with joy in your heart? If you can do that gentleman - you're perfect

you hire a scorer and you get piss cause he doesn't defend like he scores, you get piss because he's not a leader. It's like giving mutumbo $110 million contract (which he got) just cause he can block shots and rebound, but has next to no offense at all.

melo fills his role he was hired for, it's the fans that expect more

what's this "you" stuff? dolan hired melo and the fans have a right to be pissed because dolan is a bungler.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/3/2015  11:56 AM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

making a stupid comment does not help your argument.

and ... your argument is really really silly.

please don't waste all of our time with your stupidity.

The 54 win season was about the guy who scored 6 pts, 3 asst a game and not the guy scoring 28.7 pts 7 boards a game..OK..

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8/3/2015  11:59 AM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

making a stupid comment does not help your argument.

and ... your argument is really really silly.

please don't waste all of our time with your stupidity.

The 54 win season was about the guy who scored 6 pts, 3 asst a game and not the guy scoring 28.7 pts 7 boards a game..OK..

it was about having one of the better coaches in the NBA and a great leader of men on the floor.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/3/2015  12:03 PM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

making a stupid comment does not help your argument.

and ... your argument is really really silly.

please don't waste all of our time with your stupidity.

The 54 win season was about the guy who scored 6 pts, 3 asst a game and not the guy scoring 28.7 pts 7 boards a game..OK..

At the appropriate time when melo is playing very well and we are only so so as a team melo will bring back a dramatic haul to the Knicks despite some people believing he is worth .1 on the 1$. Melo can absolutely part of a championship team it just won't be the knicks which is ok.

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8/3/2015  12:16 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

making a stupid comment does not help your argument.

and ... your argument is really really silly.

please don't waste all of our time with your stupidity.

The 54 win season was about the guy who scored 6 pts, 3 asst a game and not the guy scoring 28.7 pts 7 boards a game..OK..

At the appropriate time when melo is playing very well and we are only so so as a team melo will bring back a dramatic haul to the Knicks despite some people believing he is worth .1 on the 1$. Melo can absolutely part of a championship team it just won't be the knicks which is ok.

We are a so so team because we have no other reliable player on the team..You aren't going to win with one player...We have a habit of thinking that one player will change the dynamics of a team while LeBron is trying to stockpile as many all stars as he can...

Personally I would love to see Melo traded to a good team...Just to see how he performs when it all matters..This franchise has no direction...

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8/3/2015  12:25 PM
Is today Negative Nancy day? Good grief. Are we back to dumping on Dolan, Phil can do no right, Fisher sucks, and nobody on this team is any good before they even step on the court?

Get some counseling fer crissakes. Or find another team before you jump out the basement window and hurt yourselves.

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8/3/2015  12:53 PM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

making a stupid comment does not help your argument.

and ... your argument is really really silly.

please don't waste all of our time with your stupidity.

The 54 win season was about the guy who scored 6 pts, 3 asst a game and not the guy scoring 28.7 pts 7 boards a game..OK..


Has anyone ever told you how it is very funny how you use stats when they support your argument however they please but refuse to acknowledge them when they go against your argument?
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8/3/2015  1:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/3/2015  1:06 PM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

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8/3/2015  1:06 PM
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

making a stupid comment does not help your argument.

and ... your argument is really really silly.

please don't waste all of our time with your stupidity.

The 54 win season was about the guy who scored 6 pts, 3 asst a game and not the guy scoring 28.7 pts 7 boards a game..OK..


Has anyone ever told you how it is very funny how you use stats when they support your argument however they please but refuse to acknowledge them when they go against your argument?

No..because I'm very consistent..I don't waver to suit my argument..Do you care to site an example??

holfresh
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8/3/2015  1:08 PM
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

TPercy
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8/3/2015  1:10 PM
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

The Future is Bright!
holfresh
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8/3/2015  1:12 PM
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

So why did Phil trade the entire team outside of Melo?

ChuckBuck
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8/3/2015  1:12 PM
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

So why did Phil trade the entire team outside of Melo?

No Trade Clause.

mreinman
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8/3/2015  1:16 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

So why did Phil trade the entire team outside of Melo?

No Trade Clause.

I just spilled my soup

haha

so here is what phil is thinking ....
arkrud
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8/3/2015  1:17 PM
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

So why did Phil trade the entire team outside of Melo?

Because no other player on the team generates money even close to what Melo does.
It's just common sense of business.
Stars like him let go only after organization squeezed all possible profits out of them.
Melo still can make big $$$ for MSG.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
holfresh
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8/3/2015  1:18 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TPercy wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys are all dreaming..The triangle needs Melo more than Melo needs the triangle...Show me the Phil Jackson team that ran the triangle that didn't have a gunner or a guy running ISO inside of 5 mins of the 4th quarter..This guy is Porzingis??..Don't make me laugh..Phil Jackson won't survive a year outside Melo's departure...If Melo ask for a trade, you are looking at sub 30 win seasons for the next few years..This will seal the fact the Phil's tenure was a failure..

We are already looking at a sub 30 win team. This team will be lucky to even win 34 games with the team we have if melo keeps on playing the way he is playing. Melo is nowhere near the level of Jordan or Kobe. Do you really think melo not playing team basketball or defense is going to lead us to a fifty win team with any squad we have? Either way we are screwd. If we trade melo we are looking at getting multiple picks back and or players that will and/or players decent players that will at least make the effort. If we trade melo and get a reasonable package back it up ill do far from making Phil a faluire.

Melo has led 8 teams that have won 50+ games and one thats been to the WCF...

So what. The triangle emphasizes team and high IQ play. Does melo possess any of that? No. Simple.

You just asked if Melo can lead a 50 win team and I answered...

Many feel that Kidd led team54.

Kidd also is credited with its demise.

So why didn't Phil give Kidd 124 mil??..Guys seriously, let's try to be adults and talk about things that are true and relavent..Stop wasting people's valuable time..

Melo get his contract because his brand is increasing the value of Knicks franchise regardless of how Melo fits in bbal system Knicks are playing. He fills the seats of the garden with celebs and casual tourists, he ignites team apparel sales, provided entertainment in social media (more stupid his statements are the better).
MSG not only will get money back for all money they paid to Melo but will get 5-fold profits.
Signing Melo was no-brainier from business perspective.
Probably MSG can run his as positive asset for another year or 2 and then dump him on some small market team for them to get some leftovers.

Why is it so difficult for most of you to admit the reason the Knicks haven't performed well is because of Melo's supporting cast which doesn't exist??

Because it is not true.

So why did Phil trade the entire team outside of Melo?

No Trade Clause.

The question centers around the supporting cast..If they are so good, why did Phil trade them??

Most of these signings moves really have very little tod with the future of the knicks

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