I can't believe that. Then we tried to negotiate with his agent but Ndour wouldn't go back on his 600k deal with Dallas.
Sorry, but offering the kid 200k and then Dallas' 600k made that first offer a bit of an embarrassment. I kind of don't blame him for sticking with his deal.
Why lowball a guy like that when you just overpaid for Amundson and Thomas AND got extra in salary cap?

I'm very happy with our team but am complaining regarding this and the Shved thing.

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/knicks-pushed-for-maurice-ndour-after-he-signed-with-mavericks/

One thing about the New York Knicks is that they’re persistent.

After Maurice Ndour came to terms on a deal with the Dallas Mavericks, the Knicks continued to make a push for the power forward. The Knicks reached out to Ndour’s camp to see if they could come to an agreement, but Ndour refused to go back on his verbal agreement with Mark Cuban, a source told the New York Post.

Ndour grabbed plenty of teams’ attention during the NBA Summer League, averaging 9.6 points, 4.8 rebounds and 2.0 blocks per game. He signed with the Mavericks last week for more than the $600,000 rookie free-agent minimum, according to the report.

The Knicks offered Ndour less than $200,000 in hopes that the forward’s New York roots would persuade him to take less to stay home.

wh4t wrote:Phil Jackson is cheap. I would've offer 800k to 1 mil to secure Ndour.

Not like it's coming out of Phil's pocket too. Dolan's a dope beyond reason but one thing he'll do is spend money, frivolously most of the time but still...The only thing -- if someone wants to tell me that guaranteed money, however miniscule, would impact decisions for next yr, OK but I don't think that's a factor at all -- first off, it's not a lot of money we're talking about here and from what I've read, Dallas offered him fully guaranteed money this year, only partially guaranteed money next year (easy for the team to get out of), no guarantee in yr 3 (must be a team option). No reason not to match that or better yet, come up with something aggressive/comparable to that in the first place. If Phil was aggressive right from the beginning, professing a desire to keep Ndour and be kept up to speed if he got any other offers, he'd still be here. I don't think that's how Phil approached this--looks like he thought he had this kid in the bag for a low amount and was completely caught off guard that there would even be another offer (a mistake in of itself if you ask me). That's what I choose to believe based on deductive reasoning regarding Phil's decision-making and entire body of work up to this point.

wh4t wrote:Phil Jackson is cheap. I would've offer 800k to 1 mil to secure Ndour.

Agreed. Look at the deal Philly cut with Robert Covington last year -- they offered that dude a fully guaranteed deal in the neighborhood of 4-yr/$4mm. That was a good, aggressive offer for a player they were high on, a guy that never played one NBA game up to that point mind you, and look what happened -- Covington had a good impact for them in the 2nd half of the season, more than worth the money. Reasonable enough contract for Philly to trade off/get out from under if they ever see the need...The deal Dallas gave Ndour wasn't even as lucrative -- only 600K guaranteed yr 1/only a partially guaranteed amount year 2/no guarantee yr 3. Great decision by Cuban/Carlisle to go after this guy; poor decision by Phil not to keep a good young, inexpensive 2-way prospect that already had a foot in the door. Case closed..

Yes, it would have been nice to sign him. Moving on.

And I do like Atkins. He might have much better offense than we think. That team was just a slow grind team and he had a clear roll. Showed alot at the PIT tournament. I have hope for him and am excited to have the DPOY potentially on our team.

crzymdups wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:crzydups, fair enough, move on. I will but just feel like posting this, adds some balance to a great draft and FA period imo.
I'm just a bit taken back by the low offer. I'm pissed Dallas came in right then and that we weren't given a chance to match. Though the low initial offer is far worse.

And I do like Atkins. He might have much better offense than we think. That team was just a slow grind team and he had a clear roll. Showed alot at the PIT tournament. I have hope for him and am excited to have the DPOY potentially on our team.

Hey for all we know Dallas said - here's our offer, take it or leave it, it's on the table for the duration of this phone call/meeting. Knicks miscalculated. It was definitely an error, but it was an error made in trying to be prudent and fiscally responsible, something this team has never been known for.

I am bummed, but I do not think it will effect our win total one way or another this season, to be honest.

I think losing Shved will hurt more in the W/L department - but maybe they weren't sold on him, at least not for the multi year multi million deal he wanted.

i don't think he signed it yet, he may do a D J

crzymdups wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:crzydups, fair enough, move on. I will but just feel like posting this, adds some balance to a great draft and FA period imo.
I'm just a bit taken back by the low offer. I'm pissed Dallas came in right then and that we weren't given a chance to match. Though the low initial offer is far worse.

And I do like Atkins. He might have much better offense than we think. That team was just a slow grind team and he had a clear roll. Showed alot at the PIT tournament. I have hope for him and am excited to have the DPOY potentially on our team.

Hey for all we know Dallas said - here's our offer, take it or leave it, it's on the table for the duration of this phone call/meeting. Knicks miscalculated. It was definitely an error, but it was an error made in trying to be prudent and fiscally responsible, something this team has never been known for.

I am bummed, but I do not think it will effect our win total one way or another this season, to be honest.

I think losing Shved will hurt more in the W/L department - but maybe they weren't sold on him, at least not for the multi year multi million deal he wanted.

He hadn't signed the offer yet, was just a Deandre Jordon Agreement.
Prudent and fiscally responsible after taking a 10 million dollar chance (player option on the 2nd year) with D. Williams, and clearly overspending on Amundson and Thomas? No chance imo. For some reason they got cheap all of a sudden.

I think the Shved thing is even more confusing. If there were lots of choices out there, then sure. But there isn't and wasn't, unless there are some Great Euro players in negotiations (or if someone good gets cut, which just did happen in Sacramento, albeit good might be too strong a word here.)

Finestrg wrote:

wh4t wrote:Phil Jackson is cheap. I would've offer 800k to 1 mil to secure Ndour.

Not like it's coming out of Phil's pocket too. Dolan's a dope beyond reason but one thing he'll do is spend money, frivolously most of the time but still...The only thing -- if someone wants to tell me that guaranteed money, however miniscule, would impact decisions for next yr, OK but I don't think that's a factor at all -- first off, it's not a lot of money we're talking about here and from what I've read, Dallas offered him fully guaranteed money this year, only partially guaranteed money next year (easy for the team to get out of), no guarantee in yr 3 (must be a team option). No reason not to match that or better yet, come up with something aggressive/comparable to that in the first place. If Phil was aggressive right from the beginning, professing a desire to keep Ndour and be kept up to speed if he got any other offers, he'd still be here. I don't think that's how Phil approached this--looks like he thought he had this kid in the bag for a low amount and was completely caught off guard that there would even be another offer (a mistake in of itself if you ask me). That's what I choose to believe based on deductive reasoning regarding Phil's decision-making and entire body of work up to this point.

I think that exactly what happened. That 2.8 mil exception is worth 2 guys and Ndour would've been a nice pickup if we spent 1 mil on him.

Phil still have that sarcastic way about himself that may turn a lot of young players off. Phil blew this one. lets move on.