Jose Calderon, Knicks

Calderon's best basketball may be behind him, but I'm not quite ready to write off one of the league's most precise shooters and facilitators. Everything went wrong for Calderon last season: The learning curve of the triangle offense was a struggle for some teammates; Carmelo Anthony's injuries robbed the Knicks of their only star; a general lack of talent put New York at a nightly disadvantage; and most relevant of all, Calderon was bothered (and eventually sidelined) by an Achilles injury that compromised his season.

Each of those factors will be addressed in some fashion for the coming season, beginning with Calderon's health. For a player of Calderon's age (he'll turn 34 in September) to battle through a serious injury is never heartening for his future prospects. Yet Calderon expects to be fully healthy for the start of training camp, which should be good enough for a player who has never relied on athletic explosion. An injured Achilles hindered Calderon in subtler ways—not necessarily limiting his ability to get the shots he wanted, but nagging subtly on his lift and accompanying every jumper with a sharp pain.

It came as little surprise, then, that so many of Calderon's pull-up jumpers out of the pick-and-roll and spot-up threes from the week side would come up short. His shooting efficiency plummeted in both regards, robbing Calderon of one of the particular qualities that made him a perfect fit for the triangle. This year should be different. A healthier Calderon stands to benefit greatly from New York's partial rebuild and further acclimation to a motion system. Anthony and Arron Afflalo will be spoon-fed jump-shooting opportunities by Calderon's passing. Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis will have a sharp, experienced pick-and-roll partner who doesn't need to dribble penetrate to create openings for others.

A healthy Calderon makes the Knicks better—not so much so that they might make the playoffs, but enough for his presence and influence to be notable all the same.

i said this the other day in another thread. Calderon returning to the player he was in Dallas (2 seasons ago he played/started 81 games, 11 pts/5 ast/1 turnover while shooting 45% from 3) will likely decide if this team has the potential to make the playoffs or not.

BigSm00th wrote:http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/28/jose-calderon-kyle-singler-zach-lavine-knicks-thunder-wolves-nba-free-agency

Jose Calderon, Knicks

Calderon's best basketball may be behind him, but I'm not quite ready to write off one of the league's most precise shooters and facilitators. Everything went wrong for Calderon last season: The learning curve of the triangle offense was a struggle for some teammates; Carmelo Anthony's injuries robbed the Knicks of their only star; a general lack of talent put New York at a nightly disadvantage; and most relevant of all, Calderon was bothered (and eventually sidelined) by an Achilles injury that compromised his season.

Each of those factors will be addressed in some fashion for the coming season, beginning with Calderon's health. For a player of Calderon's age (he'll turn 34 in September) to battle through a serious injury is never heartening for his future prospects. Yet Calderon expects to be fully healthy for the start of training camp, which should be good enough for a player who has never relied on athletic explosion. An injured Achilles hindered Calderon in subtler ways—not necessarily limiting his ability to get the shots he wanted, but nagging subtly on his lift and accompanying every jumper with a sharp pain.

It came as little surprise, then, that so many of Calderon's pull-up jumpers out of the pick-and-roll and spot-up threes from the week side would come up short. His shooting efficiency plummeted in both regards, robbing Calderon of one of the particular qualities that made him a perfect fit for the triangle. This year should be different. A healthier Calderon stands to benefit greatly from New York's partial rebuild and further acclimation to a motion system. Anthony and Arron Afflalo will be spoon-fed jump-shooting opportunities by Calderon's passing. Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis will have a sharp, experienced pick-and-roll partner who doesn't need to dribble penetrate to create openings for others.

A healthy Calderon makes the Knicks better—not so much so that they might make the playoffs, but enough for his presence and influence to be notable all the same.

i said this the other day in another thread. Calderon returning to the player he was in Dallas (2 seasons ago he played/started 81 games, 11 pts/5 ast/1 turnover while shooting 45% from 3) will likely decide if this team has the potential to make the playoffs or not.

amazing how so many writers constantly gloss over defense. he is a 34 year old defensive sieve and as such is much closer to a zero-sum player even when healthy. come on si you're better than that!

dk7th wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/28/jose-calderon-kyle-singler-zach-lavine-knicks-thunder-wolves-nba-free-agency

Jose Calderon, Knicks

Calderon's best basketball may be behind him, but I'm not quite ready to write off one of the league's most precise shooters and facilitators. Everything went wrong for Calderon last season: The learning curve of the triangle offense was a struggle for some teammates; Carmelo Anthony's injuries robbed the Knicks of their only star; a general lack of talent put New York at a nightly disadvantage; and most relevant of all, Calderon was bothered (and eventually sidelined) by an Achilles injury that compromised his season.

Each of those factors will be addressed in some fashion for the coming season, beginning with Calderon's health. For a player of Calderon's age (he'll turn 34 in September) to battle through a serious injury is never heartening for his future prospects. Yet Calderon expects to be fully healthy for the start of training camp, which should be good enough for a player who has never relied on athletic explosion. An injured Achilles hindered Calderon in subtler ways—not necessarily limiting his ability to get the shots he wanted, but nagging subtly on his lift and accompanying every jumper with a sharp pain.

It came as little surprise, then, that so many of Calderon's pull-up jumpers out of the pick-and-roll and spot-up threes from the week side would come up short. His shooting efficiency plummeted in both regards, robbing Calderon of one of the particular qualities that made him a perfect fit for the triangle. This year should be different. A healthier Calderon stands to benefit greatly from New York's partial rebuild and further acclimation to a motion system. Anthony and Arron Afflalo will be spoon-fed jump-shooting opportunities by Calderon's passing. Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis will have a sharp, experienced pick-and-roll partner who doesn't need to dribble penetrate to create openings for others.

A healthy Calderon makes the Knicks better—not so much so that they might make the playoffs, but enough for his presence and influence to be notable all the same.

i said this the other day in another thread. Calderon returning to the player he was in Dallas (2 seasons ago he played/started 81 games, 11 pts/5 ast/1 turnover while shooting 45% from 3) will likely decide if this team has the potential to make the playoffs or not.

amazing how so many writers constantly gloss over defense. he is a 34 year old defensive sieve and as such is much closer to a zero-sum player even when healthy. come on si you're better than that!

That can't be right though. His efficiency is off the charts offensively. His TS had been very good, doesn't turn the ball over go much, his Ast% at times doubled his USG. He didn't shoot as good as he normally does last season so he became more of a liability. But if healthy and shooting to his standards should all this efficiency make him overall a positive contributor. Not to mention he is supposed to be a high character guy who you love to have in your locker room.

SEASON	TEAM GP	GS  MIN	 FGM-A	  FG%	3PM-A	 3P%	FTM-A	 FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'13-'14	DAL  81	81  30.5 4.2-9.2  .456	2.4-5.2	 .449	0.6-0.8	 .825	0.4	2.0	2.4	4.7	0.1	0.9	1.7	1.3	11.4
'14-'15	NY   42	42  30.2 3.5-8.4  .415	1.4-3.4	 .415	0.7-0.8	 .906	0.5	2.5	3.0	4.7	0.0	0.7	1.8	1.8	9.1

Jose is usually a plus player per 100 possessions even despite his poor defense. Mainly because he's usually so good offensively.

         ORtg	DRtg
2012-13  126	111
2013-14  120	112
2014-15  103	113

Gotta hope that with fewer minutes and more talent around him that Jose could play so much better next season. He's gotta be efficient to make it feasible for Jose to warrant minutes. He can't be as bad as last year offensively because that the only way he helps the team.

Sangfroid wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/28/jose-calderon-kyle-singler-zach-lavine-knicks-thunder-wolves-nba-free-agency

Jose Calderon, Knicks

Calderon's best basketball may be behind him, but I'm not quite ready to write off one of the league's most precise shooters and facilitators. Everything went wrong for Calderon last season: The learning curve of the triangle offense was a struggle for some teammates; Carmelo Anthony's injuries robbed the Knicks of their only star; a general lack of talent put New York at a nightly disadvantage; and most relevant of all, Calderon was bothered (and eventually sidelined) by an Achilles injury that compromised his season.

Each of those factors will be addressed in some fashion for the coming season, beginning with Calderon's health. For a player of Calderon's age (he'll turn 34 in September) to battle through a serious injury is never heartening for his future prospects. Yet Calderon expects to be fully healthy for the start of training camp, which should be good enough for a player who has never relied on athletic explosion. An injured Achilles hindered Calderon in subtler ways—not necessarily limiting his ability to get the shots he wanted, but nagging subtly on his lift and accompanying every jumper with a sharp pain.

It came as little surprise, then, that so many of Calderon's pull-up jumpers out of the pick-and-roll and spot-up threes from the week side would come up short. His shooting efficiency plummeted in both regards, robbing Calderon of one of the particular qualities that made him a perfect fit for the triangle. This year should be different. A healthier Calderon stands to benefit greatly from New York's partial rebuild and further acclimation to a motion system. Anthony and Arron Afflalo will be spoon-fed jump-shooting opportunities by Calderon's passing. Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis will have a sharp, experienced pick-and-roll partner who doesn't need to dribble penetrate to create openings for others.

A healthy Calderon makes the Knicks better—not so much so that they might make the playoffs, but enough for his presence and influence to be notable all the same.

i said this the other day in another thread. Calderon returning to the player he was in Dallas (2 seasons ago he played/started 81 games, 11 pts/5 ast/1 turnover while shooting 45% from 3) will likely decide if this team has the potential to make the playoffs or not.

amazing how so many writers constantly gloss over defense. he is a 34 year old defensive sieve and as such is much closer to a zero-sum player even when healthy. come on si you're better than that!

That can't be right though. His efficiency is off the charts offensively. His TS had been very good, doesn't turn the ball over go much, his Ast% at times doubled his USG. He didn't shoot as good as he normally does last season so he became more of a liability. But if healthy and shooting to his standards should all this efficiency make him overall a positive contributor. Not to mention he is supposed to be a high character guy who you love to have in your locker room.

Well I sure hope that guy turns up this season

I actually meant for this to be a question as I'm not an advanced stats guru.

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/28/jose-calderon-kyle-singler-zach-lavine-knicks-thunder-wolves-nba-free-agency

Jose Calderon, Knicks

Calderon's best basketball may be behind him, but I'm not quite ready to write off one of the league's most precise shooters and facilitators. Everything went wrong for Calderon last season: The learning curve of the triangle offense was a struggle for some teammates; Carmelo Anthony's injuries robbed the Knicks of their only star; a general lack of talent put New York at a nightly disadvantage; and most relevant of all, Calderon was bothered (and eventually sidelined) by an Achilles injury that compromised his season.

Each of those factors will be addressed in some fashion for the coming season, beginning with Calderon's health. For a player of Calderon's age (he'll turn 34 in September) to battle through a serious injury is never heartening for his future prospects. Yet Calderon expects to be fully healthy for the start of training camp, which should be good enough for a player who has never relied on athletic explosion. An injured Achilles hindered Calderon in subtler ways—not necessarily limiting his ability to get the shots he wanted, but nagging subtly on his lift and accompanying every jumper with a sharp pain.

It came as little surprise, then, that so many of Calderon's pull-up jumpers out of the pick-and-roll and spot-up threes from the week side would come up short. His shooting efficiency plummeted in both regards, robbing Calderon of one of the particular qualities that made him a perfect fit for the triangle. This year should be different. A healthier Calderon stands to benefit greatly from New York's partial rebuild and further acclimation to a motion system. Anthony and Arron Afflalo will be spoon-fed jump-shooting opportunities by Calderon's passing. Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis will have a sharp, experienced pick-and-roll partner who doesn't need to dribble penetrate to create openings for others.

A healthy Calderon makes the Knicks better—not so much so that they might make the playoffs, but enough for his presence and influence to be notable all the same.

i said this the other day in another thread. Calderon returning to the player he was in Dallas (2 seasons ago he played/started 81 games, 11 pts/5 ast/1 turnover while shooting 45% from 3) will likely decide if this team has the potential to make the playoffs or not.

amazing how so many writers constantly gloss over defense. he is a 34 year old defensive sieve and as such is much closer to a zero-sum player even when healthy. come on si you're better than that!

That can't be right though. His efficiency is off the charts offensively. His TS had been very good, doesn't turn the ball over go much, his Ast% at times doubled his USG. He didn't shoot as good as he normally does last season so he became more of a liability. But if healthy and shooting to his standards should all this efficiency make him overall a positive contributor. Not to mention he is supposed to be a high character guy who you love to have in your locker room.

Well I sure hope that guy turns up this season

I actually meant for this to be a question as I'm not an advanced stats guru.

last year aside Jose is a good advanced stats guy, so saying he's a zero sum player is has no basis in reality.

This some of the last basketball Jose played before joining the Knicks last year: Actually take a look at this... people here have no clue this is a good player. Not great... he's got his limitations but he's good.

When your making Sam Dalembert look like a baller you know how to play

This year we hope to have a healthy Jose and that will make things easier for Jerian and Galloway, if Jose is able to play like he normally does. The same goes for Melo. He's not this terrible team killing player that people try to make him out to be. We just need these guys to be healthy. Hopefully with a better roster we can keep these guys healthy this year. They shouldn't have to push so hard that they break.

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/28/jose-calderon-kyle-singler-zach-lavine-knicks-thunder-wolves-nba-free-agency

Jose Calderon, Knicks

Calderon's best basketball may be behind him, but I'm not quite ready to write off one of the league's most precise shooters and facilitators. Everything went wrong for Calderon last season: The learning curve of the triangle offense was a struggle for some teammates; Carmelo Anthony's injuries robbed the Knicks of their only star; a general lack of talent put New York at a nightly disadvantage; and most relevant of all, Calderon was bothered (and eventually sidelined) by an Achilles injury that compromised his season.

Each of those factors will be addressed in some fashion for the coming season, beginning with Calderon's health. For a player of Calderon's age (he'll turn 34 in September) to battle through a serious injury is never heartening for his future prospects. Yet Calderon expects to be fully healthy for the start of training camp, which should be good enough for a player who has never relied on athletic explosion. An injured Achilles hindered Calderon in subtler ways—not necessarily limiting his ability to get the shots he wanted, but nagging subtly on his lift and accompanying every jumper with a sharp pain.

It came as little surprise, then, that so many of Calderon's pull-up jumpers out of the pick-and-roll and spot-up threes from the week side would come up short. His shooting efficiency plummeted in both regards, robbing Calderon of one of the particular qualities that made him a perfect fit for the triangle. This year should be different. A healthier Calderon stands to benefit greatly from New York's partial rebuild and further acclimation to a motion system. Anthony and Arron Afflalo will be spoon-fed jump-shooting opportunities by Calderon's passing. Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis will have a sharp, experienced pick-and-roll partner who doesn't need to dribble penetrate to create openings for others.

A healthy Calderon makes the Knicks better—not so much so that they might make the playoffs, but enough for his presence and influence to be notable all the same.

i said this the other day in another thread. Calderon returning to the player he was in Dallas (2 seasons ago he played/started 81 games, 11 pts/5 ast/1 turnover while shooting 45% from 3) will likely decide if this team has the potential to make the playoffs or not.

amazing how so many writers constantly gloss over defense. he is a 34 year old defensive sieve and as such is much closer to a zero-sum player even when healthy. come on si you're better than that!

That can't be right though. His efficiency is off the charts offensively. His TS had been very good, doesn't turn the ball over go much, his Ast% at times doubled his USG. He didn't shoot as good as he normally does last season so he became more of a liability. But if healthy and shooting to his standards should all this efficiency make him overall a positive contributor. Not to mention he is supposed to be a high character guy who you love to have in your locker room.

Well I sure hope that guy turns up this season

I actually meant for this to be a question as I'm not an advanced stats guru.

last year aside Jose is a good advanced stats guy, so saying he's a zero sum player is has no basis in reality.

This some of the last basketball Jose played before joining the Knicks last year: Actually take a look at this... people here have no clue this is a good player. Not great... he's got his limitations but he's good.

When your making Sam Dalembert look like a baller you know how to play

I remember arguing with people about Jose last year. As with everything bad that happened last year it allows the guys against Jose to keep up this false narrative that he's a horrible player. He's not a horrible player. He may have limitations but when you have a healthy Jose and a decent team he's a good PG to have on your roster.

This year we hope to have a healthy Jose and that will make things easier for Jerian and Galloway, if Jose is able to play like he normally does. The same goes for Melo. He's not this terrible team killing player that people try to make him out to be. We just need these guys to be healthy. Hopefully with a better roster we can keep these guys healthy this year. They shouldn't have to push so hard that they break.

at his best he is mediocre, not a difference maker. his career is one characterized by mediocrity. much of this is due to his being a lousy defender. that is not going to change. a bounceback season means recovering from outright suckitude and back to mediocrity.

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/28/jose-calderon-kyle-singler-zach-lavine-knicks-thunder-wolves-nba-free-agency

Jose Calderon, Knicks

Calderon's best basketball may be behind him, but I'm not quite ready to write off one of the league's most precise shooters and facilitators. Everything went wrong for Calderon last season: The learning curve of the triangle offense was a struggle for some teammates; Carmelo Anthony's injuries robbed the Knicks of their only star; a general lack of talent put New York at a nightly disadvantage; and most relevant of all, Calderon was bothered (and eventually sidelined) by an Achilles injury that compromised his season.

Each of those factors will be addressed in some fashion for the coming season, beginning with Calderon's health. For a player of Calderon's age (he'll turn 34 in September) to battle through a serious injury is never heartening for his future prospects. Yet Calderon expects to be fully healthy for the start of training camp, which should be good enough for a player who has never relied on athletic explosion. An injured Achilles hindered Calderon in subtler ways—not necessarily limiting his ability to get the shots he wanted, but nagging subtly on his lift and accompanying every jumper with a sharp pain.

It came as little surprise, then, that so many of Calderon's pull-up jumpers out of the pick-and-roll and spot-up threes from the week side would come up short. His shooting efficiency plummeted in both regards, robbing Calderon of one of the particular qualities that made him a perfect fit for the triangle. This year should be different. A healthier Calderon stands to benefit greatly from New York's partial rebuild and further acclimation to a motion system. Anthony and Arron Afflalo will be spoon-fed jump-shooting opportunities by Calderon's passing. Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis will have a sharp, experienced pick-and-roll partner who doesn't need to dribble penetrate to create openings for others.

A healthy Calderon makes the Knicks better—not so much so that they might make the playoffs, but enough for his presence and influence to be notable all the same.

i said this the other day in another thread. Calderon returning to the player he was in Dallas (2 seasons ago he played/started 81 games, 11 pts/5 ast/1 turnover while shooting 45% from 3) will likely decide if this team has the potential to make the playoffs or not.

amazing how so many writers constantly gloss over defense. he is a 34 year old defensive sieve and as such is much closer to a zero-sum player even when healthy. come on si you're better than that!

That can't be right though. His efficiency is off the charts offensively. His TS had been very good, doesn't turn the ball over go much, his Ast% at times doubled his USG. He didn't shoot as good as he normally does last season so he became more of a liability. But if healthy and shooting to his standards should all this efficiency make him overall a positive contributor. Not to mention he is supposed to be a high character guy who you love to have in your locker room.

Well I sure hope that guy turns up this season

I actually meant for this to be a question as I'm not an advanced stats guru.

last year aside Jose is a good advanced stats guy, so saying he's a zero sum player is has no basis in reality.

This some of the last basketball Jose played before joining the Knicks last year: Actually take a look at this... people here have no clue this is a good player. Not great... he's got his limitations but he's good.

When your making Sam Dalembert look like a baller you know how to play

I remember arguing with people about Jose last year. As with everything bad that happened last year it allows the guys against Jose to keep up this false narrative that he's a horrible player. He's not a horrible player. He may have limitations but when you have a healthy Jose and a decent team he's a good PG to have on your roster.

This year we hope to have a healthy Jose and that will make things easier for Jerian and Galloway, if Jose is able to play like he normally does. The same goes for Melo. He's not this terrible team killing player that people try to make him out to be. We just need these guys to be healthy. Hopefully with a better roster we can keep these guys healthy this year. They shouldn't have to push so hard that they break.

at his best he is mediocre, not a difference maker. his career is one characterized by mediocrity. much of this is due to his being a lousy defender. that is not going to change. a bounceback season means recovering from outright suckitude and back to mediocrity.

Perhaps you don't understand how Efficiency works. Per 100 possessions they calculate how many points a player produces or gives up. For Jose's career he is a PLUS player in terms of his production.

        ORtg	DRtg
2012-13  126	111
2013-14  120	112
2014-15  103	113
Career   118	112

Jose's Win Share 48

2011-12 .136
2012-13 .165
2013-14 .122
2014-15 .033

Last year was the rare time when he was under water. He has not been a mediocre player for his career as you inaccurately stated.

You are relying too much on a defensive rating that it weak at best. Analytics do a very poor job at this point in measuring defensive efficiency.

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/28/jose-calderon-kyle-singler-zach-lavine-knicks-thunder-wolves-nba-free-agency

Jose Calderon, Knicks

Calderon's best basketball may be behind him, but I'm not quite ready to write off one of the league's most precise shooters and facilitators. Everything went wrong for Calderon last season: The learning curve of the triangle offense was a struggle for some teammates; Carmelo Anthony's injuries robbed the Knicks of their only star; a general lack of talent put New York at a nightly disadvantage; and most relevant of all, Calderon was bothered (and eventually sidelined) by an Achilles injury that compromised his season.

Each of those factors will be addressed in some fashion for the coming season, beginning with Calderon's health. For a player of Calderon's age (he'll turn 34 in September) to battle through a serious injury is never heartening for his future prospects. Yet Calderon expects to be fully healthy for the start of training camp, which should be good enough for a player who has never relied on athletic explosion. An injured Achilles hindered Calderon in subtler ways—not necessarily limiting his ability to get the shots he wanted, but nagging subtly on his lift and accompanying every jumper with a sharp pain.

It came as little surprise, then, that so many of Calderon's pull-up jumpers out of the pick-and-roll and spot-up threes from the week side would come up short. His shooting efficiency plummeted in both regards, robbing Calderon of one of the particular qualities that made him a perfect fit for the triangle. This year should be different. A healthier Calderon stands to benefit greatly from New York's partial rebuild and further acclimation to a motion system. Anthony and Arron Afflalo will be spoon-fed jump-shooting opportunities by Calderon's passing. Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis will have a sharp, experienced pick-and-roll partner who doesn't need to dribble penetrate to create openings for others.

A healthy Calderon makes the Knicks better—not so much so that they might make the playoffs, but enough for his presence and influence to be notable all the same.

i said this the other day in another thread. Calderon returning to the player he was in Dallas (2 seasons ago he played/started 81 games, 11 pts/5 ast/1 turnover while shooting 45% from 3) will likely decide if this team has the potential to make the playoffs or not.

amazing how so many writers constantly gloss over defense. he is a 34 year old defensive sieve and as such is much closer to a zero-sum player even when healthy. come on si you're better than that!

That can't be right though. His efficiency is off the charts offensively. His TS had been very good, doesn't turn the ball over go much, his Ast% at times doubled his USG. He didn't shoot as good as he normally does last season so he became more of a liability. But if healthy and shooting to his standards should all this efficiency make him overall a positive contributor. Not to mention he is supposed to be a high character guy who you love to have in your locker room.

Well I sure hope that guy turns up this season

I actually meant for this to be a question as I'm not an advanced stats guru.

last year aside Jose is a good advanced stats guy, so saying he's a zero sum player is has no basis in reality.

This some of the last basketball Jose played before joining the Knicks last year: Actually take a look at this... people here have no clue this is a good player. Not great... he's got his limitations but he's good.

When your making Sam Dalembert look like a baller you know how to play

I remember arguing with people about Jose last year. As with everything bad that happened last year it allows the guys against Jose to keep up this false narrative that he's a horrible player. He's not a horrible player. He may have limitations but when you have a healthy Jose and a decent team he's a good PG to have on your roster.

This year we hope to have a healthy Jose and that will make things easier for Jerian and Galloway, if Jose is able to play like he normally does. The same goes for Melo. He's not this terrible team killing player that people try to make him out to be. We just need these guys to be healthy. Hopefully with a better roster we can keep these guys healthy this year. They shouldn't have to push so hard that they break.

at his best he is mediocre, not a difference maker. his career is one characterized by mediocrity. much of this is due to his being a lousy defender. that is not going to change. a bounceback season means recovering from outright suckitude and back to mediocrity.

Perhaps you don't understand how Efficiency works. Per 100 possessions they calculate how many points a player produces or gives up. For Jose's career he is a PLUS player in terms of his production.

        ORtg	DRtg
2012-13  126	111
2013-14  120	112
2014-15  103	113
Career   118	112

Jose's Win Share 48

2011-12 .136
2012-13 .165
2013-14 .122
2014-15 .033

Last year was the rare time when he was under water. He has not been a mediocre player for his career as you inaccurately stated.

"In a later chapter of Basketball on Paper, Oliver emphasized that Offensive Ratings shouldn't be viewed in a vacuum. Introducing a concept he called "Skill Curves", he acknowledged that a player's ORtg needed to be judged in conjunction with his Usage Rate, a measure of how big a role the player fills in his team's offense. The bigger the role, the more difficult it is to maintain a high ORtg; the smaller the role, the easier it is to be highly efficient. Because of this, Oliver stressed that a player's ORtg should primarily be compared to those of other players in a similar role."

calderon's usage for his career is less than 18% so his offensive rating is overstated.

"Out of necessity (owing to a lack of defensive data in the basic boxscore), individual Defensive Ratings are heavily influenced by the team's defensive efficiency. They assume that all teammates are equally good (per minute) at forcing non-steal turnovers and non-block misses, as well as assuming that all teammates face the same number of total possessions per minute."

this needs no further elaboration. take a look at this instead:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/bpm.html

That's all great stuff but in the end I still don't see you providing much evidence that Jose is mediocre. His WS/48 has been above average and he's posted some solid shooting efficiencies and low turnovers over his career. He's had a career TS% of 57.5. He's not going to be less efficient at scoring the ball just because he takes more shots. He's not a ball dominant PG so of course his Usage will be low. That's actually a good thing in this offense. We want the ball moving and when Jose does have the ball we want efficient offense and not pounding the ball or selfish ball. Jose is a very capable guard at setting up his teammates and creating efficient scoring opportunities. He's not a DRose or John Wall type, but that doesn't make him mediocre in a team concept.

fishmike wrote:Jose is a good player. People will be reminded

^^^I believe this guy. Jose aint done yet. I'm going to give him one more chance