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CrushAlot
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7/22/2015  9:32 PM
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/07/22/mitnick-guys-who-caught-my-eye-at-the-nba-las-vegas-summer-league/
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7/23/2015  10:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2015  10:06 AM
Thanks for sharing that, Crush. Good write-up on a lot of players...

A few of us have been saying it -- Ndour's a keeper. It bothers me to see the team not act aggressively here--Ndour's even said he'd love to be back with the Knicks but doesn't know what's going on at this point. What's to think about?? SIGN HIM!! Show the love--the man performed well on both ends for us. We discovered this guy--see it through with him now. He showed more than enough to warrant a TC invite, even a guaranteed or partially guaranteed deal right now! And he had good numbers at the college level to back up what we all saw...I sense a lot of indecisiveness with Phil on the smaller stuff coupled with a few poor minor decisions (I'm not a fan of the LT and Amundson signings at all, sorry.). Smaller signings could turn out to be crucial some point down the line. I think you seize the moment when guys like Ndour or an Elliot Williams fall in your lap. If something else unforseen comes along that looks worthwhile, adjustments could always be made (Lance Thomas or Amundson could be cut/traded, Early could easily be dealt for cash or a future pick esp. off his decent SL play, Ledo doesn't have to make the team, etc..). Get Ndour on board asap before someone else snatches him. I was sayin' it and Sheridan seems to agree--this dude's not going to Europe. If we don't grab him, some other NBA team will. And he definitely makes you think of Chris Copeland--I see a souped up version of Cope on both ends in fact. Cope might have a slightly better jumper (although over time, this could be up for debate--Ndour can shoot it too, just haven't see enough of it so far--his college numbers shooting the ball were very good) but he looks FAR SUPERIOR in every other facet of the game--overall hustle/motor, rebounding, defense, he even looks like a very capable passer--Cope can't touch Ndour in these areas with a 10' pole. A lot of guys can't, even some players we already have on board...Sorry, but the Knicks are ****ing crazy to let this dude get away now. He's exceeded expectations and looks like he can compete, maybe even thrive/excel, at the NBA level eventually. Shouldn't be anything to hem and haw about here--get this kid in the fold!!

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7/23/2015  10:13 AM
Perspective: The guy was not drafted but showed nice in SL. We are a very young team and need guys like LT and Lou as well. They are reliable and experienced at very little salary. They also earned their place.
We also have Thanais whom we might have already commited to and he will be a late signing. I have no idea. Is Wear still rostered? Is there a reason if so? we kept him last year and perhaps bigger plans for him this coming season.

Guys like cope and Shawne are all favorites as they came from no where and have contibuted but they are not making an impact on the league.
Im not saying Ndour is not worthwhile by any stretch, but more times than often they need time to develop and if Phish think Thanisis and Wear (Last years darlings) are moving in the right direction then perhaps they are priorities.
If either of them stuck in teh league and did well if we released them we'd be upset too!

Im know we become enthralled with some players and there "Potential" is enticing but there are other guys we commited to and maybe its better to see them thru.

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7/23/2015  10:43 AM

Thanasis still has potential but he is not ready yet. He needs a year or two overseas before he can be NBA ready. I can't believe Travis wear is still being mentioned. I like his character a lot ,but he is too soft, and a streaky shooter. Maybe next year they can compete for lance Thomas spot on the team.
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7/23/2015  10:50 AM
TPercy wrote:
Thanasis still has potential but he is not ready yet. He needs a year or two overseas before he can be NBA ready. I can't believe Travis wear is still being mentioned. I like his character a lot ,but he is too soft, and a streaky shooter. Maybe next year they can compete for lance Thomas spot on the team.

Wear is also going to be 25 in September.

He was really a guy who needed to stand out in the SL, and that did not happen. Will be stunned if he's on our final roster this year.

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7/23/2015  11:12 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
TPercy wrote:
Thanasis still has potential but he is not ready yet. He needs a year or two overseas before he can be NBA ready. I can't believe Travis wear is still being mentioned. I like his character a lot ,but he is too soft, and a streaky shooter. Maybe next year they can compete for lance Thomas spot on the team.

Wear is also going to be 25 in September.

He was really a guy who needed to stand out in the SL, and that did not happen. Will be stunned if he's on our final roster this year.

wear is a bum

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7/23/2015  11:33 AM
Thanasis was given a promise. What we don't know is did he fulfil the parameters of expectation for us to fulfil ours. He stayed in Westchester instead of overseas because we wanted something.
Regarding Wear, I did not see him play, but I do know he stuck with us all last season and it was clear he was not ready. Both these guys were in demand and we obviously held them so they would not flee. Its a two way street, they also must live up to some level for us to continue to support them.

What was Wear asked to do in SL? In the "Luke Walton/Rick Fox" role its a position that does not pile up stats. Did he fail? SL for some players will never look great. Knicks went 5-1 for the week. Wins matter.

My point is if we are developing guys that are always a year or two away, to take guys that are also a year or two away, does that add up? Say we convince NDour to stick but let Wear or Thanais go, and they actually become rotational players, then we blew it.

Just cuze Extra E and Cope turned out does not mean every year there will be that guy eitehr. In fact, neither has turned any franchise around post knicks. All im saying is consider the big picture when understanding the ramifications of roster constructions and how building is not always as easy as it seems. We are just not privy to the information that results in grading these players development.

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7/23/2015  11:37 AM
I am not a Wear fan and hope that the roster spot is given to another player (Ndour) but I know he was hurt during the summer league and told Fisher he would play anyway.
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7/23/2015  11:48 AM
I root for all our players to excell and realize sometimes you have to move on. Wear stuck on the roster all last year and it seems like we are commited to him. Given that, I'd be interested in knowing what the team thinks of him and what is role would be.
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7/23/2015  12:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2015  12:57 PM
I like Thanasis, more than most I guess. I don't think he's as raw as some are making him out to be. Good size for a wing, standout athlete, above average defender. To me, he's NBA-ready in these 3 categories already, certainly not ready to dominant but ready to compete and have an impact. Add to that a budding offensive game--he can slash, finish above the rim and I actually don't think his jumper's all that bad. I like his shooting form and with continued dedication and hard work, I think he actually has some promise as a jump-shooter. I dunno man--I like what I see offensively from TA, even though his DL numbers weren't up to par. The thing with Thanasis is we retain his rights if he goes to Europe (a pretty big plus as he wouldn't take up a roster spot on the 15-man). No such deal with Ndour. We can't 'stash' Ndour the way we can Thanasis (btw--anyone know how long we could continue to do this with Thanasis? Can't be indefinitely -- there's got to be a set amount of time before he becomes an UFA). Now who knows--did we promise Thanasis a roster spot or not? If we didn't (hard to picture the Zen Master promising anyone anything, esp. a low-level unproven player who needs work like this), then that's that.. If we did and renege, then this could get a little ugly--I could see Thanasis and his agent request/demand a trade then. I say you cross that bridge when the time comes--for now, Thanasis is ours an Ndour isn't--have some good flexibility with Thanasis too. Ndour therefore is the higher priority. Look at Brian Cashman and the Yankees -- same type of thing going on -- they just sent down Rob Refsnyder and chose to hold onto Brendan Ryan and Stephen Drew until after the trade deadline. This way, Cash keeps all of his players rather than releasing Ryan or Drew now to make room for Refsnyder. Not exactly the same scenario, I know, but I'd like to see Phil employ a similar philosophy here..

And I'm sorry fellas, I don't mean to be argumentative just for the sake of it--not my style at all--and I know most disagree with me here surprisingly, but I don't see what people are talking about with LT and Amundson AT ALL. These two are scrubs, plain and simple. Yeah, they hustle, are good locker room guys, good little soldiers etc., most scrubs/NBA hanger-ons are.. But come on man, seriously--is that enough to warrant a guaranteed NBA roster spot this early in the FA process over more promising players, on a team still in need of talent that also has no picks next year?? And I don't buy the continuity thing either -- what about Shved? This guy was on the team last year too & wasn't some scrub--he was a main rotation player for us that produced. He didn't deserve a spot on this roster based on merit and continuity, albeit for a nominal amount more when we could obviously use some more guard depth?? Quality guard depth wasn't more important than bringing back 2 practice players??? But LT and Amundson 'got' the triangle, huh? What, Shved didn't? Shved was the one initiating the plays in it. Excelling in it. What did Lou Amundson excel in exactly? The man shot 43% from the field playing point blank right at the basket and shot 45% from the line.. Ndour couldn't do that?? Ndour wouldn't be a good practice player or a good triangle fit?? A good teammate/good locker room guy?? Come on man, what are we talking about here? If we were set up with a top NBA roster and had room for an LT/Amundson at the end, OK why not, but we aren't and we don't. Go ask Daryl Morey if he'd even entertain carrying 1, let alone 2 guys like this while he was building his team up over the past few years. Or Sam Hinkie in Philly...These guys get it man. They were worried about developing young promising talent first and foremost--to me, players like that are worth tuning in to watch play every night, esp. in down years/transition years...I'll tell you this -- it'll be hard to stomach watching Ndour go to another team and develop quickly into a Ken Faried/Chris Copeland hybrid, I can tell you that..

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7/23/2015  3:23 PM
I want the Knicks to sign N'dour as well and think he would be a better pick up than Lou, Thomas, Ledo, Wear, or Thanasis but I also realize that Kris and Grant are not signed yet so perhaps after that N'dour will get inked
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7/23/2015  3:42 PM
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but he's just signed with Dallas as they offered more money
Article:Guys who caught my eye at the vegas summer league...Ndour is talked about

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