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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/sports/sports-owners-dip-into-the-publics-purse-despite-their-billions-in-the-bank.html?ref=sports&_r=0



CLEVELAND — The billionaire owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers, Dan Gilbert, is a lucky man. When LeBron James, his transcendent native son, left for Miami, the owner threw an impressive tantrum, going on about “cowardly betrayal.”

Despite that, James felt the tug of home and returned to Cleveland to revive Gilbert’s moribund franchise. In the N.B.A. finals, James resembled a Sherpa as he strapped a depleted team to his back and tried to drag it to the summit.

Gilbert made a splendid pile of cash off the Return. According to Sports Business Daily and Forbes, the Cavaliers’ revenue jumped by $67 million last season, while team salaries increased by just $15.2 million.

In the off-season, Gilbert dug his fingers into another pile of money, this one made up of taxpayer dollars. A year earlier, Gilbert and his fellow sports billionaires here — Larry Dolan, who owns the Indians, and Jimmy Haslam, who owns the Browns — had worked together to push through a referendum that extended a countywide “sin tax” on cigarettes, beer and liquor.
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Quicken Loans Arena, home of the Cavaliers. Credit Andrew Spear for The New York Times

Over the next 20 years, taxpayers in Cleveland and Cuyahoga County will sluice $262 million into improvements for the city’s arenas and stadiums. This straitened city has already pumped $800 million into its sports stadiums.

Sweet deals for team owners are a distinguishing feature of pro sports capitalism. Costs are socialized, and profits remain private. Cleveland’s owners argue that this is only just: The stadium and the arena are publicly owned, and like any landlord, the city and the county should look after repairs and improvements.

Their logic does not apply more broadly. The team owners took control of the process of auctioning off naming rights for these public stadiums. The Browns sold their stadium’s rights for $100 million to FirstEnergy Corporation; the Indians will get $58 million over 16 years from Progressive Insurance; Gilbert’s home loan business paid a terrific sum to Gilbert’s team to name the place Quicken Loans Arena.

The owners shared not a penny with the hard-pressed city.

The Cleveland Indians have their hearts set on a new sound system. The Browns’ Haslam — whose truck-stop company, Pilot Flying J, just last year paid a $92 million fine to avoid a federal fraud prosecution — has compiled a list of improvements to be funded out of the public purse.

That sports teams, which are active charitable givers, have an umbilical tie to civic identity is not a fanciful notion. That this means that teams are drivers of economic progress, however, is a hallucination.
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The attorney Peter Pattakos, near his Cleveland office. Pattakos raised awareness about a sin tax on alcohol and tobacco used to fund the city's sports venues. Credit Andrew Spear for The New York Times

When James decided to return to Cleveland, city leaders and a few journalists retailed a narrative about L’Effect LeBron. They estimated that his return would pour many tens of millions of dollars into the city and speed the “Cleveland Renaissance.”

Cleveland has charming, leafy neighborhoods, fine museums and theaters and splendid lake views. More college-educated young adults are moving downtown, and there is indisputably more investment, building cranes and vibrancy to be found in Cleveland than a decade ago. At the same time, in the last month for which figures are available, Cuyahoga County’s job growth rate was 0.0.

The city’s poverty rate hovers near 37 percent, and the infant mortality rate is 13.0 per thousand births, compared with about 4.0 in New York City, which has no shortage of poverty.

Public schools have absorbed cut after cut.

I called George Zeller, who has analyzed the economy here for decades. He declined to talk renaissance, saying no such animal existed. “The theory that all of these sports teams are producing a gigantic boom is completely false,” he said.

Yet sin-tax dollars tumble into the hands of billionaires who employ millionaires.
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First Energy Stadium, the lakefront home of the Browns. Credit Andrew Spear for The New York Times

The day after the end of the N.B.A. finals, I walked into the Cleveland office of Peter Pattakos. An ebullient lawyer, a sports fan and an Akron native, he helped lead the battle against the sin-tax extension. Ask a question, and he’s off at a sprint.

“It’s outrageous that these are public entities and we let these billionaires derive untold profits,” he said. “They kept saying, ‘Keep Cleveland strong,’ with the implied threat that they’d leave town if we didn’t underwrite their stadiums.”

The anti-sin-tax campaign was a peasant crusade. Pattakos’s ragtag band suggested a $3 surcharge on sports tickets. The owners rolled their collective eyes.

“Proposing to punish Cuyahoga County families and sports fans by imposing a new, large ticket tax to pay for major repairs,” the owners complained in a news release, “is terribly flawed.”

Unbelievable. Cough it up, billionaires. The NFL is shameful. Hopefully their "fan" base continues to erode.
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The rich are experts in avoiding contributions to the public purse via taxes and experts at extracting from the public purse.

A surcharge, they complained, would make it even more difficult for families to buy tickets. That argument has an out-of-body quality, as the owners set the prices. (The Cavaliers will raise ticket prices 15 percent next year, the first such hike in five years.)

The teams’ owners and supporters outspent opponents, $3 million to $30,000. The vote to extend the sin tax, however, was not a blowout. Voters in the city of Cleveland rejected it; suburban voters carried the election.
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Progressive Field, home to the Indians. Credit Andrew Spear for The New York Times

Pattakos motioned for me to follow him, and we clattered downstairs. He led a walking tour of the Warehouse District. We passed handsome restaurants and bars, and lots of for-rent signs on vacant storefronts. Job losses are like a river eroding the shore.

“You’re telling me we should spend our tax money fixing up stadiums?” he asked, over his shoulder.

The Gateway Economic Development Corporation of Greater Cleveland acts as the landlord for the basketball arena and the Indians’ field. (The Cavaliers and the Indians pay Gateway’s operating expenses, about $3 million per year.) I placed phone calls and sent detailed emails to its executive director, Todd Greathouse. The next peep I hear from that office will be the first.

In editorializing for the sin tax, The Cleveland Plain Dealer argued that the city had a landlord’s responsibility to pay for upkeep. Left unexplained was why the landlord had never tried to renegotiate terms with ever more wealthy teams.

(Note: The Indians offer a sort of exception. They rank next to last in the American League in attendance. The night I attended a game, the crowd had the feel of an extra-large backyard barbecue, and 25 percent of the fans seemed to be rooting for the visiting Chicago Cubs.)

Over the winter, the Cavaliers’ emissaries arrived with a new proposal. They wanted locals to split the cost — in addition to the sin-tax dollars — of overhauling their arena. Adam Silver, the N.B.A. commissioner, added his voice, saying that the league would love to have the All-Star Game in Cleveland, if only its burghers would ante up again for the billionaire owner.

The Cavaliers’ chief executive says the overhaul would add to Cleveland’s “economic momentum.”

To be a wealthy sports owner is to feel no burn of embarrassment.

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7/21/2015  10:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/21/2015  10:23 PM
Yankee Stadium cost tax payers $1.2 billion...CitiField cost tax payers $1.2 billion(800m stadium, 390 transportation)...Dolan foot the bill for MSG's $1 billion renovation...NYC wants Dolan out in ~15 years..
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7/21/2015  10:26 PM
so dolan is a gem compared to these other guys?
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/21/2015  11:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/21/2015  11:06 PM
In the voice of Donald Trump.."They are laughing at us"..literally^^^^^^^..
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7/22/2015  1:37 AM
MSG gets big tax breaks.

Fans and voters let these slime balls play. Sports teams are woven into the fabric of a cities personality so its a tax. Yes, the owners are rich and its easy to hate them. Greenbay issues stock that is worthless to sell. Team has 115,000 person waiting list to buy season tix.

The yankees anywhere but NYC would be a travesty right? Every team has their cities by the balls. Charlotte got 260 mil to renovate a PRIVATE STADIOUM that it owns. Its conceivable it would make economic sense to walk away from it if Los Angelos made a sweet enough deal.

Meanwhile Seattle cries over its Sonics departure. SAC boned up and is building a new crib for them.

Want a team, taxpayers pay.

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7/22/2015  9:40 AM
holfresh wrote:Yankee Stadium cost tax payers $1.2 billion...CitiField cost tax payers $1.2 billion(800m stadium, 390 transportation)...Dolan foot the bill for MSG's $1 billion renovation...NYC wants Dolan out in ~15 years..

you're really going nuts lately, champ:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/633074-james-dolan-says-new-york-knicks-to-raise-ticket-prices-by-49-percent

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/22/2015  11:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/22/2015  11:35 AM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Yankee Stadium cost tax payers $1.2 billion...CitiField cost tax payers $1.2 billion(800m stadium, 390 transportation)...Dolan foot the bill for MSG's $1 billion renovation...NYC wants Dolan out in ~15 years..

you're really going nuts lately, champ:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/633074-james-dolan-says-new-york-knicks-to-raise-ticket-prices-by-49-percent

So the people who are going to the games and consume the product are actually paying for it, from 2011..Not some unsuspecting tax payer who is down on their luck, many of whom are addicted to these products?..The double insult...

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the cynic in me thinks that Dolan spent the money he did to renovate MSG just so he can hold that over NYC & other public entities should they try to move MSG in order to better redevelop Penn Station.

I'll miss going to see the Islanders at the Coliseum, but I'm kinda glad the voters voted down on the deal a couple years ago.

The coverage of how sports owners rob taxpayers to enrich themselves is getting more coverage - hopefully the trend stops.

Also, interesting to see how Silver plays up on how so many of his owners are losing money, in spite of all the new revenue coming into the NBA.

The players should start their own league, and watch how Silver and the other owners struggle and go bankrupt.

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7/22/2015  11:55 AM
mreinman wrote:so dolan is a gem compared to these other guys?

no--he has to pay. MSG sits on tax-exempt land as part of an enticement back in the day to keep the Knicks in NYC. If Dolan relocates to a different piece of land elsewhere in the city, he loses the tax exempt status. He paid for the rennovations out of necessity

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7/22/2015  11:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/22/2015  12:02 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
mreinman wrote:so dolan is a gem compared to these other guys?

no--he has to pay. MSG sits on tax-exempt land as part of an enticement back in the day to keep the Knicks in NYC. If Dolan relocates to a different piece of land elsewhere in the city, he loses the tax exempt status. He paid for the rennovations out of necessity

Dola was trying to get the site where the post office is located..8th and 34?..The city voted against him acquiring that property..

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holfresh wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
mreinman wrote:so dolan is a gem compared to these other guys?

no--he has to pay. MSG sits on tax-exempt land as part of an enticement back in the day to keep the Knicks in NYC. If Dolan relocates to a different piece of land elsewhere in the city, he loses the tax exempt status. He paid for the rennovations out of necessity

Dola was trying to get the site where the post office is located..8th and 34?..The city voted against him acquiring that property..

So what is your solution? Begrudge the man who puts up the capital? THe politics? The fan? or erect your rightiousness because you don't spend money on the team?
Staduium politics are bad business.

The Arizona Coyotes are a damn mess! Rams are being wooed again back to LA leaving ST Louis with a big dome and Debt. NAturally Rams have the leverage to get the immprovements done. San Diego is playing in an old stadium and being extorted also by Los Angeles. Oakland A's are stuck and made a bad deal years ago which prevents them from going to San Jose. Im sure Arlington kicked in a bunch of money for. Milwaukee getting a new buiding by their own choice.

Basically the tax revenue rarely matches the costs but I think one has to look at it as the benefit of the citizens and pride of a city. Today we vote according out our own values and problems and really don't care about the greater good of society.

Obviously those who drink and smoke won't get the sympathy of those that don't. Smokers pay the same health insurance reates as non smokers. Some citizens detest paying police to safeguard churches that support gay marriages. Everyone has an issue. Taxpayers who have to support schools and don't have kids......., Abortions, Obama Care, etc etc.

Of course the money should go feed the hungry and house the homeless, but then some one has issues with handouts!!!!

So Holfresh, whats your solution?

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7/22/2015  2:01 PM
holfresh wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
mreinman wrote:so dolan is a gem compared to these other guys?

no--he has to pay. MSG sits on tax-exempt land as part of an enticement back in the day to keep the Knicks in NYC. If Dolan relocates to a different piece of land elsewhere in the city, he loses the tax exempt status. He paid for the rennovations out of necessity

Dola was trying to get the site where the post office is located..8th and 34?..The city voted against him acquiring that property..

damn anti semites!

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
mreinman wrote:so dolan is a gem compared to these other guys?

no--he has to pay. MSG sits on tax-exempt land as part of an enticement back in the day to keep the Knicks in NYC. If Dolan relocates to a different piece of land elsewhere in the city, he loses the tax exempt status. He paid for the rennovations out of necessity

Dola was trying to get the site where the post office is located..8th and 34?..The city voted against him acquiring that property..

damn anti semites!

As brilliant as any arena to be located, It was a crime they tore down the old Penn Station and a big mistake as well. While the Post office might be a great location, its also an architectual gem as well.

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7/22/2015  2:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/22/2015  2:42 PM
Nalod wrote:
holfresh wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
mreinman wrote:so dolan is a gem compared to these other guys?

no--he has to pay. MSG sits on tax-exempt land as part of an enticement back in the day to keep the Knicks in NYC. If Dolan relocates to a different piece of land elsewhere in the city, he loses the tax exempt status. He paid for the rennovations out of necessity

Dola was trying to get the site where the post office is located..8th and 34?..The city voted against him acquiring that property..

So what is your solution? Begrudge the man who puts up the capital? THe politics? The fan? or erect your rightiousness because you don't spend money on the team?
Staduium politics are bad business.

The Arizona Coyotes are a damn mess! Rams are being wooed again back to LA leaving ST Louis with a big dome and Debt. NAturally Rams have the leverage to get the immprovements done. San Diego is playing in an old stadium and being extorted also by Los Angeles. Oakland A's are stuck and made a bad deal years ago which prevents them from going to San Jose. Im sure Arlington kicked in a bunch of money for. Milwaukee getting a new buiding by their own choice.

Basically the tax revenue rarely matches the costs but I think one has to look at it as the benefit of the citizens and pride of a city. Today we vote according out our own values and problems and really don't care about the greater good of society.

Obviously those who drink and smoke won't get the sympathy of those that don't. Smokers pay the same health insurance reates as non smokers. Some citizens detest paying police to safeguard churches that support gay marriages. Everyone has an issue. Taxpayers who have to support schools and don't have kids......., Abortions, Obama Care, etc etc.

Of course the money should go feed the hungry and house the homeless, but then some one has issues with handouts!!!!

So Holfresh, whats your solution?

I really don't have any solutions..I just think it crazy that a league with shared revenues, such as the NFL, who just raked in 7.2 billion over the last year in TV revenues alone can't foot the bill for their own stadiums from which they all benefit...Shared revenues means equal payout right??..32 teams hauled in another 5 billion...So that's 12 billion for the league and its 32 teams...Most NFL stadiums are sold out...It's tough for me to buy these guys crying poor..In every other instance in America, folks are expected to pull themselves by the boot straps...Team valuations are through the roof..Cowboys are valued at 3.2 billion..When was the last time you saw anyone selling an NFL team??Because they have the community over a barrel, they need to exploit that bond between fans and their teams??..How does a team say the city is the landlord, then sell the naming rights to that Stadium for 100s of millions...I know Dolan probably get tax breaks, but I'm sure they all do get tax breaks with their sweet Stadium deals...Dolan and the Yankees aren't the only ones that can fork over 1 billion to help build their Stadiums are they??...

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holfresh wrote:
Nalod wrote:
holfresh wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
mreinman wrote:so dolan is a gem compared to these other guys?

no--he has to pay. MSG sits on tax-exempt land as part of an enticement back in the day to keep the Knicks in NYC. If Dolan relocates to a different piece of land elsewhere in the city, he loses the tax exempt status. He paid for the rennovations out of necessity

Dola was trying to get the site where the post office is located..8th and 34?..The city voted against him acquiring that property..

So what is your solution? Begrudge the man who puts up the capital? THe politics? The fan? or erect your rightiousness because you don't spend money on the team?
Staduium politics are bad business.

The Arizona Coyotes are a damn mess! Rams are being wooed again back to LA leaving ST Louis with a big dome and Debt. NAturally Rams have the leverage to get the immprovements done. San Diego is playing in an old stadium and being extorted also by Los Angeles. Oakland A's are stuck and made a bad deal years ago which prevents them from going to San Jose. Im sure Arlington kicked in a bunch of money for. Milwaukee getting a new buiding by their own choice.

Basically the tax revenue rarely matches the costs but I think one has to look at it as the benefit of the citizens and pride of a city. Today we vote according out our own values and problems and really don't care about the greater good of society.

Obviously those who drink and smoke won't get the sympathy of those that don't. Smokers pay the same health insurance reates as non smokers. Some citizens detest paying police to safeguard churches that support gay marriages. Everyone has an issue. Taxpayers who have to support schools and don't have kids......., Abortions, Obama Care, etc etc.

Of course the money should go feed the hungry and house the homeless, but then some one has issues with handouts!!!!

So Holfresh, whats your solution?

I really don't have any solutions..I just think it crazy that a league with shared revenues, such as the NFL, who just raked in 7.2 billion over the last year in TV revenues alone can't foot the bill for their own stadiums from which they all benefit...Shared revenues means equal payout right??..32 teams hauled in another 5 billion...So that's 12 billion for the league and its 32 teams...Most NFL stadiums are sold out...It's tough for me to buy these guys crying poor..In every other instance in America, folks are expected to pull themselves by the boot straps...Team valuations are through the roof..Cowboys are valued at 3.2 billion..When was the last time you saw anyone selling an NFL team??Because they have the community over a barrel, they need to exploit that bond between fans and their teams??..How does a team say the city is the landlord, then sell the naming rights to that Stadium for 100s of millions...I know Dolan probably get tax breaks, but I'm sure they all do get tax breaks with their sweet Stadium deals...Dolan and the Yankees aren't the only ones that can fork over 1 billion to help build their Stadiums are they??...

Ok, a good rant is always healthy!

Bottom line is "supply and demand". Your not looking at salaries, cost of staff, cost of practice facilities, taxes, and costs to service debt.
Old ownership teams are cash cows and teams do well.

Teams like Cowboys and Panthers do own their own stadiums and valuations are part of it.

But if a city wants its team then why shouldn't owners look for subsidiaries? Most companies when they want to expand look for local government for assistance if it adds jobs. States fight each other to woe car assembly plants. No different.

Is it fair? I guess its perspective. from an academic view, no. From a practical view, yeah.
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7/22/2015  3:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/22/2015  3:07 PM
Without concentration of capital in the hand of individuals who then own it nothing in the world works.
I was leaving in a country were capital was extinct and divided between all people.
The name of the country was USSR and it is gone.
You can give 1 million people a $1 and they will eat $1 McDonald menu food pieces. Then they will beg for food the rest of their life.
There are millions of people in US who are not allowing to rob them just because they are educated.
There are still tens of millions who have no clue. And billions in the world.
The problem is not the crooks but people who are easily gullible and exploitable.
Out of my 13K property tax 8K is school tax and my only son is 31.
But I am not complaining. I would better see kids in the school that on the streets.
So I would better see people on the arena than hanging around drunk.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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7/22/2015  5:43 PM
arkrud wrote:Without concentration of capital in the hand of individuals who then own it nothing in the world works.
I was leaving in a country were capital was extinct and divided between all people.
The name of the country was USSR and it is gone.
You can give 1 million people a $1 and they will eat $1 McDonald menu food pieces. Then they will beg for food the rest of their life.
There are millions of people in US who are not allowing to rob them just because they are educated.
There are still tens of millions who have no clue. And billions in the world.
The problem is not the crooks but people who are easily gullible and exploitable.
Out of my 13K property tax 8K is school tax and my only son is 31.
But I am not complaining. I would better see kids in the school that on the streets.
So I would better see people on the arena than hanging around drunk.

Trickle down theory?

If u give one million people $1 then the McDonalds stay open...
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Nalod wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Nalod wrote:
holfresh wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
mreinman wrote:so dolan is a gem compared to these other guys?

no--he has to pay. MSG sits on tax-exempt land as part of an enticement back in the day to keep the Knicks in NYC. If Dolan relocates to a different piece of land elsewhere in the city, he loses the tax exempt status. He paid for the rennovations out of necessity

Dola was trying to get the site where the post office is located..8th and 34?..The city voted against him acquiring that property..

So what is your solution? Begrudge the man who puts up the capital? THe politics? The fan? or erect your rightiousness because you don't spend money on the team?
Staduium politics are bad business.

The Arizona Coyotes are a damn mess! Rams are being wooed again back to LA leaving ST Louis with a big dome and Debt. NAturally Rams have the leverage to get the immprovements done. San Diego is playing in an old stadium and being extorted also by Los Angeles. Oakland A's are stuck and made a bad deal years ago which prevents them from going to San Jose. Im sure Arlington kicked in a bunch of money for. Milwaukee getting a new buiding by their own choice.

Basically the tax revenue rarely matches the costs but I think one has to look at it as the benefit of the citizens and pride of a city. Today we vote according out our own values and problems and really don't care about the greater good of society.

Obviously those who drink and smoke won't get the sympathy of those that don't. Smokers pay the same health insurance reates as non smokers. Some citizens detest paying police to safeguard churches that support gay marriages. Everyone has an issue. Taxpayers who have to support schools and don't have kids......., Abortions, Obama Care, etc etc.

Of course the money should go feed the hungry and house the homeless, but then some one has issues with handouts!!!!

So Holfresh, whats your solution?

I really don't have any solutions..I just think it crazy that a league with shared revenues, such as the NFL, who just raked in 7.2 billion over the last year in TV revenues alone can't foot the bill for their own stadiums from which they all benefit...Shared revenues means equal payout right??..32 teams hauled in another 5 billion...So that's 12 billion for the league and its 32 teams...Most NFL stadiums are sold out...It's tough for me to buy these guys crying poor..In every other instance in America, folks are expected to pull themselves by the boot straps...Team valuations are through the roof..Cowboys are valued at 3.2 billion..When was the last time you saw anyone selling an NFL team??Because they have the community over a barrel, they need to exploit that bond between fans and their teams??..How does a team say the city is the landlord, then sell the naming rights to that Stadium for 100s of millions...I know Dolan probably get tax breaks, but I'm sure they all do get tax breaks with their sweet Stadium deals...Dolan and the Yankees aren't the only ones that can fork over 1 billion to help build their Stadiums are they??...

Ok, a good rant is always healthy!

Bottom line is "supply and demand". Your not looking at salaries, cost of staff, cost of practice facilities, taxes, and costs to service debt.
Old ownership teams are cash cows and teams do well.

Teams like Cowboys and Panthers do own their own stadiums and valuations are part of it.

But if a city wants its team then why shouldn't owners look for subsidiaries? Most companies when they want to expand look for local government for assistance if it adds jobs. States fight each other to woe car assembly plants. No different.

Is it fair? I guess its perspective. from an academic view, no. From a practical view, yeah.
Joe SixPack whithout "His" Jets? Gethephuchouttahere if you think the Jets move to Los Angeles!!!!

Season Tickets to me is about the dumbest thing I have ever looked at. THats just me.

I should be the healthiest man on this board...

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holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:Without concentration of capital in the hand of individuals who then own it nothing in the world works.
I was leaving in a country were capital was extinct and divided between all people.
The name of the country was USSR and it is gone.
You can give 1 million people a $1 and they will eat $1 McDonald menu food pieces. Then they will beg for food the rest of their life.
There are millions of people in US who are not allowing to rob them just because they are educated.
There are still tens of millions who have no clue. And billions in the world.
The problem is not the crooks but people who are easily gullible and exploitable.
Out of my 13K property tax 8K is school tax and my only son is 31.
But I am not complaining. I would better see kids in the school that on the streets.
So I would better see people on the arena than hanging around drunk.

Trickle down theory?

If u give one million people $1 then the McDonalds stay open...

McDonalds will not exist.
Instead you will have empty supermarket with one Vodka type and one chip sigarets on every shelf... and all the rest for triple price from under the table.
You need to see it to believe it... and I was leaving it.
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