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BRIGGS
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7/15/2015  12:02 PM
Have to give him some props for his play. Hes gone somewhat unnoticed but hes been the most consistent player on the team. Hes done a lot of nice things and should be a nice back up to Carmelo at 3.

Also noticed how much L galloway is playing? I wonder why they are giving him +30 minutes? Must have smaller faith in ledo than first thought?

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7/15/2015  12:05 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Have to give him some props for his play. Hes gone somewhat unnoticed but hes been the most consistent player on the team. Hes done a lot of nice things and should be a nice back up to Carmelo at 3.

Also noticed how much L galloway is playing? I wonder why they are giving him +30 minutes? Must have smaller faith in ledo than first thought?

EArly looks good so far, its not a talent hing with him, its a confidence issue.
Galloway has gottten a ton of playing time and has looked bad most of the time

Ledo needs consistent mins

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7/15/2015  12:06 PM
Cleanthony is definitely in the mix to backup Melo for 10-15 minutes a game if he keeps up this consistent 2 way play. Hopefully he carries this summer league performance to the regular season.

Gallo just chucking up shots, not finding teammates, and looking lost at times. KP had to tell him a time or 2 to look for him once he's open. If he's on opening day roster, I hope he doesn't eat into Grant's minutes.

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7/15/2015  12:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2015  12:09 PM
Glad Early's playing well. Hope that translates over to the season but I have my doubts (his good play last year in SL and then after his DL stint didn't translate over really). At least his stock is on the rise. The more I think about it, I like making a move for Ty Lawson right now -- Calderon and Early for Lawson. Get a starting caliber PG in his prime who will help us win more games and we clear a spot on the roster for Ndour who I think is more promising than Early. Would still have 2 open spots for a guard and a big.
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7/15/2015  12:11 PM
I think Fisher is doing the right thing by saying Early's defense is what will get him minutes..He has played well defensively ..For this team to overactive, it has to play defense..Early has been a good all around player so far..
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7/15/2015  12:14 PM
I really thought Early had potential last year but he never got it going like he did in college due.
He is healthy now and we are seeing what he did in college. He was a great closer and a team leader, I think he will be alright.
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7/15/2015  12:14 PM
You could see him coming on late last year. He finally got his confidence back. I think he's ready to be more of a consistent contributor next season. Overall we should see more fruits from our crop of young prospects. It should start to be clearer now that Phil has restocked this team with some nice young talent for the future. This team is more forward looking than we're used to.
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7/15/2015  12:23 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Have to give him some props for his play. Hes gone somewhat unnoticed but hes been the most consistent player on the team. Hes done a lot of nice things and should be a nice back up to Carmelo at 3.

Also noticed how much L galloway is playing? I wonder why they are giving him +30 minutes? Must have smaller faith in ledo than first thought?

Unfortunately Early is now in Year Two of the Knicks-fans-vs-young-players life cycle, so expect him to be torn to shreds at every opportunity

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7/15/2015  12:27 PM
He's been fine- been pretty happy for the most part with his game. Another guy looking for that elusive comfort zone where he can play without having to think too much.


Strange SL for Galloway. He might be more at ease with the more structured offense we ran last year. Expected more from him this SL in terms of high efficiency play.

He's earned the right to be so so in SL and then reestablish himself in training camp, but he will lose a lot of playing time if he does not become more consistent with his shot and look to make the little passes that he seems to have forgotten about this summer.

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7/15/2015  12:36 PM
I've really liked what I have seen from Early. He's gotten stronger and is obviously more confident and focused. The coaching staff has seemed to have gotten through to him: play D, play consistent and with energy and Early has taken it to heart. Rotation guy for sure if he can keep it up. Doesn't seem to have the highest IQ but if he can focus on being scrappy and take what's given to him, he'll do quite nicely.
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7/15/2015  12:39 PM
martin wrote:I've really liked what I have seen from Early. He's gotten stronger and is obviously more confident and focused. The coaching staff has seemed to have gotten through to him: play D, play consistent and with energy and Early has taken it to heart. Rotation guy for sure if he can keep it up. Doesn't seem to have the highest IQ but if he can focus on being scrappy and take what's given to him, he'll do quite nicely.

why do you think he does not have a high IQ?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/15/2015  12:47 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Have to give him some props for his play. Hes gone somewhat unnoticed but hes been the most consistent player on the team. Hes done a lot of nice things and should be a nice back up to Carmelo at 3.

Also noticed how much L galloway is playing? I wonder why they are giving him +30 minutes? Must have smaller faith in ledo than first thought?

Thank you for pointing that out BRIGGS. I like his play. Definitely more aggressive. He's so damn athletic. I expect him to play a role on this team

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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7/15/2015  12:51 PM
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:I've really liked what I have seen from Early. He's gotten stronger and is obviously more confident and focused. The coaching staff has seemed to have gotten through to him: play D, play consistent and with energy and Early has taken it to heart. Rotation guy for sure if he can keep it up. Doesn't seem to have the highest IQ but if he can focus on being scrappy and take what's given to him, he'll do quite nicely.

why do you think he does not have a high IQ?

the easiest, most glaring example: shot went up for the Knicks and I think Ndour did his best Tyson impression and batted it out to the perimeter for a rebound, ball went too far and over half court line and Early didn't know you could go into backcourt to retrieve ball, caused a turnover instead of just scooping up ball. Ndour and perhaps Grant went over to him after play to remind him of the rule.

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7/15/2015  12:54 PM
Im glad Fischer is coaching this team and getting a up close look and feel for some of these kids. Early may be doing fine in SL but so do alot of these kids, see still flaws in finishing and decisions so I see him likely sputtering at times at start of season so Fish is going to have to ride him out until he settles in. Hopefully this SL gives Fischer enuff confidence to do so
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7/15/2015  12:58 PM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:I've really liked what I have seen from Early. He's gotten stronger and is obviously more confident and focused. The coaching staff has seemed to have gotten through to him: play D, play consistent and with energy and Early has taken it to heart. Rotation guy for sure if he can keep it up. Doesn't seem to have the highest IQ but if he can focus on being scrappy and take what's given to him, he'll do quite nicely.

why do you think he does not have a high IQ?

the easiest, most glaring example: shot went up for the Knicks and I think Ndour did his best Tyson impression and batted it out to the perimeter for a rebound, ball went too far and over half court line and Early didn't know you could go into backcourt to retrieve ball, caused a turnover instead of just scooping up ball. Ndour and perhaps Grant went over to him after play to remind him of the rule.

I remember that play though mistakes happen especially with young guys. He had one really sweet pass to NDour in OT.

I think that his IQ is good and he just needs experience.

Even last season when he was bad, he was one of the only players who seemed to move the ball smartly.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/15/2015  1:03 PM
Early made his name as a high energy guy who could score and run the floor. He's added to his skills handling the ball and looks much better than he did last year driving and passing. I like what I see from him so far. He's only going to get better as he continues to learn the game and in particular the Triangle which is all about ball and player movement. The guy is growing as a player and we have to allow him to continue on that journey.
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7/15/2015  1:05 PM
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:I've really liked what I have seen from Early. He's gotten stronger and is obviously more confident and focused. The coaching staff has seemed to have gotten through to him: play D, play consistent and with energy and Early has taken it to heart. Rotation guy for sure if he can keep it up. Doesn't seem to have the highest IQ but if he can focus on being scrappy and take what's given to him, he'll do quite nicely.

why do you think he does not have a high IQ?

the easiest, most glaring example: shot went up for the Knicks and I think Ndour did his best Tyson impression and batted it out to the perimeter for a rebound, ball went too far and over half court line and Early didn't know you could go into backcourt to retrieve ball, caused a turnover instead of just scooping up ball. Ndour and perhaps Grant went over to him after play to remind him of the rule.

I remember that play though mistakes happen especially with young guys. He had one really sweet pass to NDour in OT.

I think that his IQ is good and he just needs experience.

Even last season when he was bad, he was one of the only players who seemed to move the ball smartly.

Early been in the league for a year, Ndour and Grant have not and knew the rule. I'll watch more closely and point out some other stuff about Early and his IQ.

Mostly I really really really like what I have seen from Early. The fact that he has accepted his role of a 3 & D type of guy indicates to me that his focus about his role is locked in and he can concentrate on his strengths within a limited scope, telling for a young player who came off a disappointing year. It's obvious that he has taken the time off after the season to improve both his role and his body, something that I have not seem from either Gallo or Wear (Ledo may have taken strides but either hasn't been able to put it together or is still a ways away and Antetokounmpo has a long way to go).

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7/15/2015  1:10 PM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:I've really liked what I have seen from Early. He's gotten stronger and is obviously more confident and focused. The coaching staff has seemed to have gotten through to him: play D, play consistent and with energy and Early has taken it to heart. Rotation guy for sure if he can keep it up. Doesn't seem to have the highest IQ but if he can focus on being scrappy and take what's given to him, he'll do quite nicely.

why do you think he does not have a high IQ?

the easiest, most glaring example: shot went up for the Knicks and I think Ndour did his best Tyson impression and batted it out to the perimeter for a rebound, ball went too far and over half court line and Early didn't know you could go into backcourt to retrieve ball, caused a turnover instead of just scooping up ball. Ndour and perhaps Grant went over to him after play to remind him of the rule.

I remember that play though mistakes happen especially with young guys. He had one really sweet pass to NDour in OT.

I think that his IQ is good and he just needs experience.

Even last season when he was bad, he was one of the only players who seemed to move the ball smartly.

Early been in the league for a year, Ndour and Grant have not and knew the rule. I'll watch more closely and point out some other stuff about Early and his IQ.

Mostly I really really really like what I have seen from Early. The fact that he has accepted his role of a 3 & D type of guy indicates to me that his focus about his role is locked in and he can concentrate on his strengths within a limited scope, telling for a young player who came off a disappointing year. It's obvious that he has taken the time off after the season to improve both his role and his body, something that I have not seem from either Gallo or Wear (Ledo may have taken strides but either hasn't been able to put it together or is still a ways away and Antetokounmpo has a long way to go).

Ok. I will focus on his IQ as well.

I don't think that anyone could have looked good here last year with all the sh1t that was going on.

I loved the pick and I am still hopeful. He has looked really good in SL so far. Some really strong defensive moments.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/15/2015  1:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2015  1:16 PM
I was never impressed by Early last season. Always seemed to play scared; it was ugly watching him put the ball on the floor - didn't seem to know what he was going to do. To join into the group voice here, confidence will be key for him and he seems much more comfortable in the SL than he did in regular season games.

There was a half-time interview (I think in the LA game this summer) where he said he'd have to be a 3 and D guy to secure his minutes. It's encouraging to see some progress so far, but more encouraging to see a clear understanding of his role. Cle will have his chance on offense with our lack of scorers, but I think structure, having a defined role, may benefit him the most here.

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7/15/2015  1:18 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:I was never impressed by Early last season. Always seemed to play scared; it was ugly watching him put the ball on the floor - didn't seem to know what he was going to do. To join into the group voice here, confidence will be key for him and he seems much more comfortable in the SL than he did in regular season games.

There was a half-time interview (I think in the LA game this summer) where he said he'd have to be a 3 and D guy to secure his minutes. It's encouraging to see some progress so far, but more encouraging to see a clear understanding of his role. Cle will have his chance on offense with our lack of scorers, but I think structure, having a defined role, may benefit him the most here.

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