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The Krispy project: Building the ideal body for a truly unique player
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7/15/2015  5:27 AM
In less than an hour or playing time, Krispy has shown he can shoot it a bit and disrupt isht… a lot. Most encouraging, he's shown some fight, particularly today. He adjusted to okafor in the 2nd half and seemed to relish the competition. That's not stuff you can teach and right there, no matter how it all eventually plays out, you already know he's not the next bargnani or darko.

Deep deep exhale. Whatever instincts and guts phil has shown in drafting krispy, you have to believe he was not truly convinced until he saw those 3 blocks on okafor today. I am 100% sure he was lighthing up the northern cali hard tonight and to all the other long suffering knicks fans out there,you deserve it too--so let's enjoy this little moment and first real step forward. Sorry amare.

But how do the knicks continue to build Krispy up so he can hold his position more easily, postup, and be a more effective re-bounder…while still playing to his strengths as a mobile shooter/scorer?

The most interesting knicks job right now is on that team of personal trainers tasked with answering that question. They are just now seeing some of what Krispy can and can't do and now they have to figure out what they want him to be doing for the next few months, out to year 1, and well beyond. Who do they pattern his physical development after, what models fit his case?

Krispy is a 4. But he's got some 3 and 5 in him too, and is still growing, making him a very unique project in any training center. Nobody really know the best road to take ,in part, because there really hasn't been anybody else quite like him. I hope Herring or some other good writers try to get that story but for now, we can only speculate on the p/t regimen the knicks are setting up. Maybe some personal trainers out there might want to take a crack at it for everyone's edification.

Anyway for basic comparisons sake, I tried to think of a few players that together might make up the "ideal krispy" and how his physical transformation might take shape.

Kareem abdul jabbar
Kareem played the 5 for all of his career and was built a lot like Krispy is now. I can't stand by these numbers as the research was done on insidehoops but here they go:

Billed Information:
NCAA: 7-1 3/8
Milwaukee Bucks (rookie): 7-1 1/2, 235
Basketball Reference: 7-2, 225
NBA (late career): 7-2, 267
Actual Measurements:
Height: 7-1.88 (7-1.375 UCLA, 7-1.5 rookie Bucks training camp, 7-1.625 2nd season Bucks training camp, 7-1.88 3rd season Bucks training camp)
Wingspan: 7-5
Playing Weight:
225lbs - rookie
231lbs - 2nd season
235lbs - early career
240lbs - mid career
267lbs - late career


Guys today at the 5 are just bigger than they were in the 70's and I am sure kareem as a rookie would have been pushed around by okafor too. But as you can see, Kareem played most of his career in the 230's and 240's and his weight gain was pretty gradual. He had a wiry strong build and his lower body and core was very strong from all the martial arts training he did. His upper body never got "huge" in the dwight howard/ben wallace sense and I think that's probably the way the knicks will go with Krispy. He's got to have enough in there to compete but they don't want to hurt his shooting and mobility.

As an aside, when krispy hit that short hook against the lakers, I thought, damn if there was ever a guy to bring back the sky hook, it's this cat. He's got the footwork, height, and touch. It's also does not require textbook deep positioning. Hoping phil has kareem on speed dial these days. Somebody has to keep that beautiful shot alive.

Kevin durant
Height: 6'9
2007 Rookie weight : 215
2014 weight: 240

Dirk nowitzki
Height: 6 11 ish
1998 rookie weight: 220'ish
2015 weight : 235- 240

The first time I read a comparison between durant and Krispy was from an interview with Marcus landry, a team-mate of his in Seville and brother of Carl landry. I didn't really see it from the highlight films but after a few SL games, it's making a little more sense. A little. Krispy has the potential to shoot over guys from all over the court and he's long but he's got a long way before he can put it on the floor and spray people like durant. When he's attacked closeouts and gone high off glass, it actually reminded me more of marcus camby. In other words, a little awkward at this stage.

In any case, durant has added 20-25 pounds in 7 years, but it seemed like he was still really skinny until a few years ago. He's a much quicker athlete than krispy is ever going to be, and pound for pound, probably a lot stronger as a rookie. Until the foot injury, durant's mobility has been outstanding and I think the decision to stay lean and mean has been the right one. How does a guy be that quick and that strong at the same time? Genetics obviously have something to do with it but I think the training staff will be looking to get krispy more explosive, starting with his legs, and like KD, looking to keep his physique lean but strong.

Dirk is probably a closer physical comparison to krispy being nearly 7 feet and a similar body style. Dirk had immense training on his legs even as an early age that enabled him to shoot at all kinds of angles and while krispy might not get that far, his potential to stroke unblockable shots ( although a little more arc would be nice) is clearly there. Dirk added weight and upper body strength but never got really ripped like some guys. I don't know if that was a conscious choice but his shooting and overall game certainly did not suffer. He was able at the 4 to be an effective rebounder and that lower body strength/coordination probably has a lot to do with it. In other words, whatever dirk did, krispy 's people should be taking a good hard look at.

But Krispy is different and at his size, he will have to battle big pf's and the occasional center. How much more weight will he have to gain than a 4 like durant or dirk?

Pau gasol
height : 7'0
2001 rookie weight: 227
2015 weight: 254

I know they list Pau's weight at 227 but he still looked stronger than Krispy as a rookie. He seemed to get off the floor quicker and was able to rebound from day 1. Krispy still seems to be growing into his body, leading to some awkward moments, whereas Pau looked more comfortable as a rookie. Some people just bloom later but some people are simply not as coordinated. We're not really going to know what's the story with krispy for a little while. And for his sake, I hope his body starts to slow down so it can absorb all these changes he's about to go through. As interesting as it would be to see him at 7'4, too many guys that big break down early.

Pau was a 4/5 for most of his career but he lost his share of battles as a center until he finally hit the weight room. Even against the celtics in 07', he was criticized for soft play and he 's been getting thicker ever since as he's settled into more of a straight 5.

That might be how Krispy's arc plays out. There's no reason to rush him into a 5 but when eventually you want him to be able to be a force down there. You combine that with his perimeter game ( which is far ahead of Pau's at the same time) and good luck guarding that guy. And on defense, even better luck going anywhere near the rim.

How about KG?
KG has played the 3, 4, and 5 at points in his career and was the original freak of nature, and still is really going into year 20 something in the NBA. He's always been in great shape and while not the skinny kid he was a rookie, he just got really strong while keeping the lean body. His explosiveness and timing compensated for his lack of girth but krispy 's not the kind of athlete. He can't stay as thin as KG and play the 5 or the 4. If anything, I think Krispy, and frankly all rookie's have to look at KG's conditioning/nutrition program as a the blueprint for a long career.

Will cauley-stein
Did anyone see how much thicker this guy got between the NCAA's and the draft? He's older and a better fit in his body than krispy but there is no denying his strength program in just a few months has, at least cosmetically, been effective. His early SL returns are solid as well. I am no fan of quick fixes but it gives some optimism for opening night in November 2015.

Summary
Krispy is not exactly like any of these examples so there's not exact formula. He needs functional strength and explosive training, not just bulk and his foundation has to be really strong or the guy's likely to get injured. He seems to throw that body around and it's a bit scary at times.

The knicks are not winning the championship next year anyway so there is no rush to transform a growing teen-ager's body overnight. The priority should be long term development and in fairness to the knicks and a lot of other people who have observed krispy for a while, this process of building his body and his game could take 2 to 3 years. And yes carmelo, you are supposed to wait for him, but hopefully you will also understand that if he does reach his potential that early, the two of you have a chance to make one hell of a duo. If you want to bounce early, a guy named Ndour would be happy to take your minutes.

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7/15/2015  6:51 AM
Zinger will contribute as a rookie. It's true that he's too skinny to get major minutes down low, but he will be stronger in November than he is now, and he is taller and quicker than most nba bigs.
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7/15/2015  7:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2015  7:08 AM
They should not rush KP's development. The goal this summer should be to add about 7-10 lbs by November just through building muscle. I think ideally you want this kid to play at around 240 lbs, but we need to give him about two years to get up to that weight.
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7/15/2015  7:12 AM
His name is Kristaps.

Pirates announcer Bob Prince labelled Roberto Clemente "Bobby" which was disrespectful in Clemente's opinion.

Kristaps. Not Krispy.

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7/15/2015  7:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2015  7:33 AM
I personally think adding weight is highly overrated. You want to add strength. One has nothing to do with the other. Get him used to getting strong in the gym and let the weight figure itself out. He's only 19. He's still just learning how to piss without missing his mark. He probably doesn't even know which hole to put it in yet either.

Kid is going to be fine. After summer league, he can really focus on his physical. Shit he could do p90x in the morning before he goes to the gym for basketball drills for 90 days and be ready for training camp. It's not that hard when you have time in your hands.

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7/15/2015  8:39 AM
EnySpree wrote:I personally think adding weight is highly overrated. You want to add strength. One has nothing to do with the other. Get him used to getting strong in the gym and let the weight figure itself out. He's only 19. He's still just learning how to piss without missing his mark. He probably doesn't even know which hole to put it in yet either.

Kid is going to be fine. After summer league, he can really focus on his physical. Shit he could do p90x in the morning before he goes to the gym for basketball drills for 90 days and be ready for training camp. It's not that hard when you have time in your hands.

THIS... you hear guys obsessed with adding muscle and I think some of these guys have never been in a gym or played a team sport as an adult. KP does not need to add weight for the sake of adding it. As his muscles get more dense and stronger he will put on weight but I honestly wouldnt want much more than 10-20 pounds on him.

Not sure if anyone notices but he very quick, runs very well and is quite elusive for a 7'3 guy. His calling card will be speed and quickness. That is the path to being a franchise player. We want this guy flying around... not lumbering.

He's also got good core strength. Excellent even. Clearly he's got a clue about working out. I thought he took contact from OK4 very well and that guy is a load.

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7/15/2015  8:41 AM
I would rather he be wirey strong than anything else. You gain weight you lose athleticism it's really a fine line it has to be the right type of weight. Muscle mass is important. If your gaining weight for the sake of gaining weight than I guarantee you that athleticism will decrease. We shouldn't put to much into it he will gain strength and it should be done gradually.
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7/15/2015  9:48 AM
EnySpree wrote:I personally think adding weight is highly overrated. You want to add strength. One has nothing to do with the other. Get him used to getting strong in the gym and let the weight figure itself out. He's only 19. He's still just learning how to piss without missing his mark. He probably doesn't even know which hole to put it in yet either.

Kid is going to be fine. After summer league, he can really focus on his physical. Shit he could do p90x in the morning before he goes to the gym for basketball drills for 90 days and be ready for training camp. It's not that hard when you have time in your hands.

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7/15/2015  11:47 AM
fishmike wrote:He's also got good core strength. Excellent even. Clearly he's got a clue about working out. I thought he took contact from OK4 very well and that guy is a load.

I'm not worried about KP contributing this year. The Knicks could take it slow with him - give him 20mpg and he'd produce similar numbers to what he's performing in this summer league. ~10ppg/4rpg/1apg/2bpg, 50%fg - only taking 5 shots/game and only shooting in the flow of the game. He can do this with his current body. That's my low end estimate for his production.

His upside is much greater than that, but you want to put him in a position where he can succeed, grow his confidence and strength.


There's a little bit of a sick obsession here to turn KP into guy that lives in the paint. He has the court awareness of a 3/4, with perhaps the sickest handle for a 7'3" guy. He's a guy who mixes things up on offense. He can be like a Dirk or perhaps a Tim Duncan with more range. The great Lebron James didn't develop a post game until he was in the league for almost 10 years, and even now, he prefers to play on the outside even though he's physically capable of averaging 10rpg. The Fact is KP is a extremely tall and has a high center of gravity. A 6' guard running into him will make him fold. Our best bet is to pair him with an Oakley/Ho Grant type who can do the dirty work. We may already have that in Robin and O'Quinn.

Come to think of it, Duncan is another 7 footer with a lean physique who never really bulked up in the NBA. Then again, he finished college and probably was closer to maximizing his physique than KP is.

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7/15/2015  12:18 PM
fishmike wrote:
EnySpree wrote:I personally think adding weight is highly overrated. You want to add strength. One has nothing to do with the other. Get him used to getting strong in the gym and let the weight figure itself out. He's only 19. He's still just learning how to piss without missing his mark. He probably doesn't even know which hole to put it in yet either.

Kid is going to be fine. After summer league, he can really focus on his physical. Shit he could do p90x in the morning before he goes to the gym for basketball drills for 90 days and be ready for training camp. It's not that hard when you have time in your hands.

THIS... you hear guys obsessed with adding muscle and I think some of these guys have never been in a gym or played a team sport as an adult. KP does not need to add weight for the sake of adding it. As his muscles get more dense and stronger he will put on weight but I honestly wouldnt want much more than 10-20 pounds on him.

Not sure if anyone notices but he very quick, runs very well and is quite elusive for a 7'3 guy. His calling card will be speed and quickness. That is the path to being a franchise player. We want this guy flying around... not lumbering.

He's also got good core strength. Excellent even. Clearly he's got a clue about working out. I thought he took contact from OK4 very well and that guy is a load.

I agree but he does need the strength regardless of what his game is. He plays tough but he still gets pushed easily. He will only get in constant foul trouble if this continues.

He cannot sacrifice his quickness and ability to run the court though. This is something very unique to him considering his length. I honestly think Marcus Camby is a good example to follow. Yes, he had his injuries, but he still managed to thicken his body a bit without sacrificing his speed that much. If anything, it's the injuries that helped him become slower. Regardless, I don't think he was easily pushed around in his later Denver years and onward.

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7/15/2015  2:11 PM
Kid, skills & play look nice

But all in all the body ain't Nba ready yet

Which is Known not issue yet, timetable wise.

He will,need to get his Nba Body built to mesh with his skill set.

As good as he may be if he isn't
Durable until body fills out few
Years he will get beat up and banged
Up to death Nba wise.

Has time but while Nba is waiting
To Test young skilled guy out,
Without Nba Body and being hopefully
Injury free toward it ..verdict
Physically is TBD.

They/NBA real men and new youngsters all go
Through that process.

Lets hope NYK fans See this guy fill out Or else...trouble ensues being fortunate enough to
stay on court healthy throughout his growth years and developing his Nba pro game.

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7/15/2015  3:04 PM
DJMUSIC wrote:Kid, skills & play look nice

But all in all the body ain't Nba ready yet

Which is Known not issue yet, timetable wise.

He will,need to get his Nba Body built to mesh with his skill set.

As good as he may be if he isn't
Durable until body fills out few
Years he will get beat up and banged
Up to death Nba wise.

Has time but while Nba is waiting
To Test young skilled guy out,
Without Nba Body and being hopefully
Injury free toward it ..verdict
Physically is TBD.

They/NBA real men and new youngsters all go
Through that process.

Lets hope NYK fans See this guy fill out Or else...trouble ensues being fortunate enough to
stay on court healthy throughout his growth years and developing his Nba pro game.

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7/15/2015  3:21 PM
EnySpree wrote:I personally think adding weight is highly overrated. You want to add strength. One has nothing to do with the other. Get him used to getting strong in the gym and let the weight figure itself out. He's only 19. He's still just learning how to piss without missing his mark. He probably doesn't even know which hole to put it in yet either.

Kid is going to be fine. After summer league, he can really focus on his physical. Shit he could do p90x in the morning before he goes to the gym for basketball drills for 90 days and be ready for training camp. It's not that hard when you have time in your hands.

The kid is already strong, isnt afraid to stick out his chest out and take a hit from someone posting him up. I dont believe he needs to get a lot stronger, but I do believe he can stand to gain 20-25lbs. Porzingis did a good job keeping his lower body planted when Okafor was slamming into him on post ups, but his upper body was getting pushed back pretty easily. Some more weight, especially in the upper body, would make it harder for big men to do that to him IMO.

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7/15/2015  3:29 PM
Most 19 year olds are still maturing physically. Usually by 21-22 we are filled out. From my own experience i was still skinny at 19 but by 22 i had put more muscle on and its similar to what i am now. KP is still very tough despite not having the strength yet. He doesnt need to get huge just needs some muscle to help when he plays inside
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7/15/2015  3:51 PM
misterearl wrote:His name is Kristaps.

Kristaps. Not Krispy.


lol, you seem very annoyed about that nickname. You better hope it doesn't become the norm because many seem comfortable saying Krispy
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7/15/2015  5:17 PM
wh4t wrote:
misterearl wrote:His name is Kristaps.

Kristaps. Not Krispy.


lol, you seem very annoyed about that nickname. You better hope it doesn't become the norm because many seem comfortable saying Krispy

Krispy is better than Zinger or Krisp. Me personally, I would like for him to have a nick similar to the OTHER great Baltic States All-times great, Sabonis. Let's just use his last name, Porzingis!?b

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7/15/2015  7:57 PM
He'll have 12-16 weeks to add strength before the season starts. There are all sorts of programs that can do that for him.
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7/15/2015  8:00 PM
TheGame wrote:They should not rush KP's development. The goal this summer should be to add about 7-10 lbs by November just through building muscle. I think ideally you want this kid to play at around 240 lbs, but we need to give him about two years to get up to that weight.

His weight according to the nba summer league is 233. So 7-10 lbs by November will get him at or above 240.

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