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thetruth
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7/13/2015  3:19 PM
Amazing that the Knicks picked a 70's mentality GM who may have not won a tittle if not for some of the best players to play the game. The new NBA is not made up of 5 hard working guys who are trying really hard to play team ball. In case you haven't noticed, the last several NBA champions have had at least three superstars/All Stars on the team. When was the last champions to have one star player and 4 role players on the team? We saw how well Lebron did without anyone next to him in the finals. Furthermore, the idea that the antiquated Triangle will win is ridiculous. If you have Jordan Pippen and Grant, Kukoc running it with lethal 3pt shooters, yes. Why is it that 99% of the league run pick and roll offenses? Why is it the Knicks have the most trouble defending pick and roll offenses. Your telling me you would rather have guys like Galloway, Admnundson, Thomas get a touch every time instead of exploiting an obvious match up weakness? And yes,I know everyone over 40 is going to say how boring it is. Well then, time to take out the old Harvard videos and watch some exciting basketball. But if you want a championship, it wont happen letting role players touch the ball on consistent basis. That's just the truth.
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7/13/2015  3:28 PM
You think that amunoson, Galloway and thomas are going to start?
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7/13/2015  3:32 PM
You have to be born in the 70s to wake up in the 70s...
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7/13/2015  3:35 PM
Great. We really didn't have enough chicken little threads one game into summer league.
thetruth
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7/13/2015  3:45 PM
jrodmc wrote:Great. We really didn't have enough chicken little threads one game into summer league.

Chicken little may be better for you than the fantasy your in now. Phil just spent all this money based on an ego that thinks he can win games based on his system and diamonds in the rough instead of proven players. We both know what the truth is. Unlike you, I am tired of all those who have been blind to see it for the last 15 years. But your right, lets talk in March and see how Knicks did.
thetruth
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7/13/2015  3:47 PM
TPercy wrote:You think that amunoson, Galloway and thomas are going to start?

Good point, no KP, Grant, Melo and Aflalo will play entire game. Probably the only ones thus far capable of handling the ball.
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7/13/2015  3:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2015  3:49 PM
I don't think Phil's approach is a bad thing..I think the triangle would be great if Phil was coaching it...I think Phil can be successful in today's game and is still very relevant, again, if he is coaching..But he has to let Fisher put forth his own vision in which he believes...The players has to see the passion in which the teacher is presenting his ideas and views for them to believe and buy in..I'm not there and I won't say that Fisher doesn't have the passion...I just think it something basic when a team is trying to create a foundation and compete at a level that eventually leads to a winning culture...
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7/13/2015  3:49 PM
blkexec wrote:You have to be born in the 70s to wake up in the 70s...

Bing bang bong.

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7/13/2015  3:50 PM
One has to start someplace.
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7/13/2015  3:52 PM
holfresh wrote:I don't think Phil's approach is a bad thing..I think the triangle would be great if Phil was coaching it...I think Phil can be successful in today's game and is still very relevant, again, if he is coaching..But he has to let Fisher put forth his own vision in which he believes...The players has to see the passion in which the teacher is presenting his ideas and views for them to believe and buy in..I'm not there and I won't say that Fisher doesn't have the passion...I just think it something basic when a team is trying to create a foundation and compete at a level that eventually leads to a winning culture...

If this was the case, why isn't anyone else running it? We all fail to answer this question. Or we already have but don't want to admit that the Knicks have the one guy who thinks the rest of the world is crazy. I don't blame him, I really do believe his ego is such that he feels the Triangle was more of a factor than Jordan, Shaq or Kobe.
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7/13/2015  3:54 PM
I base the franchise on the development of KristapS P. I know we can't beat some teams in the east right now. I think Phil did the best he could. It's very easy to say lets get deandre Jordan when he wasn't coming here. So of you break Phil's cahones let me in on what you would be done different
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7/13/2015  3:55 PM
thetruth wrote:
holfresh wrote:I don't think Phil's approach is a bad thing..I think the triangle would be great if Phil was coaching it...I think Phil can be successful in today's game and is still very relevant, again, if he is coaching..But he has to let Fisher put forth his own vision in which he believes...The players has to see the passion in which the teacher is presenting his ideas and views for them to believe and buy in..I'm not there and I won't say that Fisher doesn't have the passion...I just think it something basic when a team is trying to create a foundation and compete at a level that eventually leads to a winning culture...

If this was the case, why isn't anyone else running it? We all fail to answer this question. Or we already have but don't want to admit that the Knicks have the one guy who thinks the rest of the world is crazy. I don't blame him, I really do believe his ego is such that he feels the Triangle was more of a factor than Jordan, Shaq or Kobe.

We are a league of copy cats..The entire league is now running pick and rolls and shooting threes..LeBron and Moz post play almost took down the best three point shooting team in the NBA...Everyone doesn't have to do it to validate it..The masses are usually arses...
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7/13/2015  3:56 PM
thetruth wrote:Amazing that the Knicks picked a 70's mentality GM who may have not won a tittle if not for some of the best players to play the game. The new NBA is not made up of 5 hard working guys who are trying really hard to play team ball. In case you haven't noticed, the last several NBA champions have had at least three superstars/All Stars on the team. When was the last champions to have one star player and 4 role players on the team? We saw how well Lebron did without anyone next to him in the finals. Furthermore, the idea that the antiquated Triangle will win is ridiculous. If you have Jordan Pippen and Grant, Kukoc running it with lethal 3pt shooters, yes. Why is it that 99% of the league run pick and roll offenses? Why is it the Knicks have the most trouble defending pick and roll offenses. Your telling me you would rather have guys like Galloway, Admnundson, Thomas get a touch every time instead of exploiting an obvious match up weakness? And yes,I know everyone over 40 is going to say how boring it is. Well then, time to take out the old Harvard videos and watch some exciting basketball. But if you want a championship, it wont happen letting role players touch the ball on consistent basis. That's just the truth.

Here we go again. SMDH Just so we're clear on this, Phil has been adding young talent to the roster and the hope is that they reach their full potential, which is MUCH higher than a role player!!! For right now the idea of Melo and a lot of solid role players is the reality but that's only because we don't yet have our young prospects fully developed. Give it some time to fully flesh out. This is just the beginning of the process. Let's hope he's right about KP, Jerian and all the young players he's brought in and will yet bring in.

Another thing. Phil is not just some dude that fell into a lucky situation. He was scouted as a brilliant young BB mind by Jerry Krause long before he became the Head Coach of the Bulls. He got the job because of Jerry's belief in his BB Intellect and he was right. The sooner that fans stop buying the media narrative that Phil is out of his depth or looking for a money grab the better. Do some research before spouting media drivel about a man who has known nothing but winning for longer than many of us have been alive. It's freakin disrespectful and stupid to assume you know better. Phil may never reach the Title he hopes to bring to NY but it won't be because he's out of touch or isn't committed.
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7/13/2015  3:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2015  4:00 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I base the franchise on the development of KristapS P. I know we can't beat some teams in the east right now. I think Phil did the best he could. It's very easy to say lets get deandre Jordan when he wasn't coming here. So of you break Phil's cahones let me in on what you would be done different

I would have tried to get back at least one or starters when I got rid of Chandler, Felton, Amare, Shump, JR, and Prigs..It presents a better case for free agents..No one of value will consider at 17 win team with one NBA caliber starter...
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7/13/2015  4:00 PM
Calderon is an nba caliber starter....
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7/13/2015  4:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2015  4:03 PM
TPercy wrote:Calderon is an nba caliber starter....

No he is not...He stinks and he always has...Come on, a legit player..No one is going anywhere at anytime to play with Calderon..
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7/13/2015  4:01 PM
jrodmc wrote:Great. We really didn't have enough chicken little threads one game into summer league.

+1 lol!

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7/13/2015  4:03 PM
holfresh wrote:
thetruth wrote:
holfresh wrote:I don't think Phil's approach is a bad thing..I think the triangle would be great if Phil was coaching it...I think Phil can be successful in today's game and is still very relevant, again, if he is coaching..But he has to let Fisher put forth his own vision in which he believes...The players has to see the passion in which the teacher is presenting his ideas and views for them to believe and buy in..I'm not there and I won't say that Fisher doesn't have the passion...I just think it something basic when a team is trying to create a foundation and compete at a level that eventually leads to a winning culture...

If this was the case, why isn't anyone else running it? We all fail to answer this question. Or we already have but don't want to admit that the Knicks have the one guy who thinks the rest of the world is crazy. I don't blame him, I really do believe his ego is such that he feels the Triangle was more of a factor than Jordan, Shaq or Kobe.

We are a league of copy cats..The entire league is now running pick and rolls and shooting threes..LeBron and Moz post play almost took down the best three point shooting team in the NBA...Everyone doesn't have to do it to validate it..The masses are usually arses...


Also PnR, ISO and 3Pt'ers works and it's the easiest thing to do. Even if you don't have the brightest players on your roster it is easy to implement PnR etc since these players will most likely have been doing it on their college, AAU and High School teams.

A lot of coaches don't have the time and support in order to stick with tougher systems like the Princeton or Triangle offense. They can't survive the early rough basketball and losing that can come as you try to install those kinds of systems. So no new coach is going to risk his job trying to basically retrain players on fundamental basketball that requires thinking and skills from every player rather than just your PG.
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7/13/2015  4:05 PM
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TPercy wrote:Calderon is an nba caliber starter....

No he is not...He stinks and he always has...Come on, a legit player..No one is going anywhere at anytime to play with Calderon..

He stinks and he always has. Calderon has always stank. Are you kidding me???

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7/13/2015  4:07 PM
thetruth wrote:
holfresh wrote:I don't think Phil's approach is a bad thing..I think the triangle would be great if Phil was coaching it...I think Phil can be successful in today's game and is still very relevant, again, if he is coaching..But he has to let Fisher put forth his own vision in which he believes...The players has to see the passion in which the teacher is presenting his ideas and views for them to believe and buy in..I'm not there and I won't say that Fisher doesn't have the passion...I just think it something basic when a team is trying to create a foundation and compete at a level that eventually leads to a winning culture...

If this was the case, why isn't anyone else running it? We all fail to answer this question. Or we already have but don't want to admit that the Knicks have the one guy who thinks the rest of the world is crazy. I don't blame him, I really do believe his ego is such that he feels the Triangle was more of a factor than Jordan, Shaq or Kobe.


forget the triangle, if we get a solid defesive squad, a lot of our problems will be solved

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