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7/12/2015  9:29 PM
They'll be happy they did. The guy is a skill player with a high iq 6-9 265. No one either left over pro gas. Etc will have more talent for the last big man position. He's also a faux enforcer and can score with some of the boys who cant
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7/13/2015  1:40 PM
Again suggest the Knicks take a look here. This was the best passing big man that I have sen this summer. He's a load and a half on the block and makes a lot of smart plays with the ball. I like the way he played with a faster tempo he kept up very well even at 265 he has a Zach Randolph type game inside rebounds very well plays solid d. Unless Galdikas is really good I don't think talent wise with the iq I don't see a 500k$ min player who is anywhere near Williams. He was hurt yesterday bad hip pointer still came back you like to see that. But the passing he had 6 assists in his 2 games and could be had 10 if plays were finished. Looks like he could pick up the triangle quixly
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7/13/2015  2:22 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Again suggest the Knicks take a look here. This was the best passing big man that I have sen this summer. He's a load and a half on the block and makes a lot of smart plays with the ball. I like the way he played with a faster tempo he kept up very well even at 265 he has a Zach Randolph type game inside rebounds very well plays solid d. Unless Galdikas is really good I don't think talent wise with the iq I don't see a 500k$ min player who is anywhere near Williams. He was hurt yesterday bad hip pointer still came back you like to see that. But the passing he had 6 assists in his 2 games and could be had 10 if plays were finished. Looks like he could pick up the triangle quixly

i followed him when he was at UCSB. skilled big, but likely closer to the 6'7/6'8 range. not a bad guy to take a flier on as a 15th man and send to the D League, especially given the skills Phil emphasizes playing in the Triangle.

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BRIGGS wrote:Again suggest the Knicks take a look here. This was the best passing big man that I have sen this summer. He's a load and a half on the block and makes a lot of smart plays with the ball. I like the way he played with a faster tempo he kept up very well even at 265 he has a Zach Randolph type game inside rebounds very well plays solid d. Unless Galdikas is really good I don't think talent wise with the iq I don't see a 500k$ min player who is anywhere near Williams. He was hurt yesterday bad hip pointer still came back you like to see that. But the passing he had 6 assists in his 2 games and could be had 10 if plays were finished. Looks like he could pick up the triangle quixly

i followed him when he was at UCSB. skilled big, but likely closer to the 6'7/6'8 range. not a bad guy to take a flier on as a 15th man and send to the D League, especially given the skills Phil emphasizes playing in the Triangle.

looks like a little over 6-8. 260 He has that power that can overwhelm a defender especially a tired defender-- think about bringing in a fesh 350 pound tackle in the 4th q. I thought he played a very smart game and defended well. I've seen karl towns pass the ball but no other big really distributed the ball but Williams did. He gets pretty good looks and has a good touch. He seems very intelligent when he speaks very humble and I think he has game. I'm sure they will take a long look at Galdikas give him every. Chance to show something but if he does not Id have scouts looking at Williams( although he did hurt himself last game) The guy is avg 20-9-3 in 25 min that's some production.

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7/13/2015  3:12 PM
Year	Source	              Height w/o Shoes	Height w/shoes	Weight	Wingspan	Standing Reach	Body Fat   No Step Max Vert
2015 NBA Draft Combine 6' 7.25" 6' 8.25" 261 7' 1.75" 8' 10.5" 12.0 25.5 28.5

Surprisingly mundane vertical numbers for someone who is about 6"8". Has he lost weight since the combine? Body fat a bit high.

Don't really know the guy, though.

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7/13/2015  3:26 PM
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7/13/2015  6:29 PM
If you want to take a flyer on a end of bench kid who is athletic and might be able to develop then look no further than the waiver wire and you'll find Cory Jefferson who was just cut by Nets due to pf logjam and cap considerations. Kid showed abilty to play in NBA last year and he'd be somewhat complementary to our bigs.
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7/13/2015  7:34 PM
BRIGGS wrote:They'll be happy they did. The guy is a skill player with a high iq 6-9 265. No one either left over pro gas. Etc will have more talent for the last big man position. He's also a faux enforcer and can score with some of the boys who cant

A faux enforcer? You don't say!

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7/13/2015  7:47 PM
meloanyk wrote:If you want to take a flyer on a end of bench kid who is athletic and might be able to develop then look no further than the waiver wire and you'll find Cory Jefferson who was just cut by Nets due to pf logjam and cap considerations. Kid showed abilty to play in NBA last year and he'd be somewhat complementary to our bigs.

Knicks worked him out last year...so Jackson has some knowledge of what he can do.

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7/13/2015  7:51 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
meloanyk wrote:If you want to take a flyer on a end of bench kid who is athletic and might be able to develop then look no further than the waiver wire and you'll find Cory Jefferson who was just cut by Nets due to pf logjam and cap considerations. Kid showed abilty to play in NBA last year and he'd be somewhat complementary to our bigs.

Knicks worked him out last year...so Jackson has some knowledge of what he can do.

It sounds like Quincy Miller is going to be waived by the Nets. Miller is 6'9 and can hit the three. He might be better than Early. He lit up the d league last year when he was down there.
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7/17/2015  7:54 PM
williams with a 22pt 21rebound game today.avg 21-13 and 2.5assists in vegas
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7/18/2015  2:09 PM
Undrafted free agent Alan Williams makes Summer League statement


By Sam Vecenie | CBSSports.com

July 18, 2015 1:22 pm ET



The leader in scoring among rookies at summer league is not D'Angelo Russell or Emmanuel Mudiay. The leading rookie rebounder in Las Vegas also didn't go to Duke or Kentucky and wasn't drafted in the top-three.

Rather, the leader in both of these categories is an undrafted, undersized center by the name of Alan Williams. Out of UC Santa Barbara, Williams -- who is suiting up for the Houston Rockets as a free agent and is eligible to sign with any team -- is averaging 20.5 points and 11.5 rebounds per game after a ridiculous 22 points and 20 rebounds in his final game of the week, a loss against the Philadelphia 76ers.

While Williams was pleased with his monstrous finale and his week overall, he couldn't help but point out that something was missing.

"I wish we'd have won more games," Williams said about his 2-3 Houston squad. "Individually, I think I did some good things. I did some things that I would hope some people take notice of. But it's always good to go out there and win."

Team-oriented players will always care most about wins and losses. That's just the nature of the game. But in an event like summer league, where wins and losses are largely inconsequential to the evaluation of players from a scouting perspective, it's undeniable that Williams did well this week.

His energy level on the boards has always been great, even going back to when he was one of the advanced metric darlings of college basketball over the course of the last three seasons. He's been in the top-10 nationally in both offensive and defensive rebounding rate over each of the last three seasons, and led the entire country in PER in 2014 at 35.7.

But this week, he kicked it up a notch, largely due to some work he did in the offseason. I spoke with a scout about Williams, and the first thing that he pointed out was that the 6-foot-8 big man seemed to have slimmed down, which may have pushed him into another gear as far as his endurance and athletic explosiveness. Williams himself confirmed as much after the game.

"I had to, I had to," Williams said with a smile when asked if he'd lost weight. "That's what the NBA guys want to see. Me being able to trim that baby fat that I had in college and continue to elevate my game and keep up with that same energy and intensity that I've had for so long."

That hard work has been emblematic of Williams' career to this point, as the big man went from a lightly recruited high school prospect all the way to this moment.

"You hear this about a lot of guys, I'm sure, he's a better person than he is a basketball player," Williams' coach at UC Santa Barbara, Bob Williams, told me prior to this 2014-15 season. "He's a phenomenal kid."

Williams did give a little blush when I relayed to him the superlatives that have been laid upon him as a teammate in the past, but he said his parents -- his mom is a police chief and his dad a judge -- instilled the best values in him possible to give him a shot at success.

"My parents did a really good job of making me the best man I can be," Williams said. "Not only the best basketball player, but the best man. And I don't know if that gives me a better chance [to make a team], but I definitely believe that it should be a contributing factor. Someone's character is always taken into place because you never know who's watching. You want guys that are going to go out there and put their best foot forward for the organization and I feel like I'm one of those guys who can be a model citizen, a great teammate, and go out there and bust my butt on the floor."

So, given the fact that he's a great teammate, a great rebounder, and a guy that works hard at all times, why hasn't a team signed him yet? Well, that same scout who gushed about his weight also noted to me that Williams does have some holes in his game that need fixing, particularly on the defensive end, if he's going to play in the league at his height. Largely, those concerns have to do with the fact that he's unfamiliar with guarding on the perimeter due to Santa Barbara playing a zone.

"It's different," Willaims noted when asked him about the differences between man and zone. "Having to guard those point guards off the pick-and-roll is tough for me. It's something I definitely need to improve on. But it's something I have time to do and with the right coaching staff and the right organization I feel like I can grow into a pretty good on-ball pick-and-roll defender."

If Williams can figure out the defensive aspect of the game, he will certainly have a pretty legitimate chance to become a role player in the NBA. And honestly, it's pretty hard to envision a circumstance where, after this week, one of the 30 teams in the NBA doesn't decide to invite him to training camp.

As for what Williams is doing until that happens?

"I'm just going to continue to work hard," Williams said. "I'm extremely blessed to be in the position I'm in. I'm so humbled and grateful to the Houston Rockets' organization to put me in this position right now. So whatever happens happens, and hopefully I can be playing in the NBA someday."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25243927/undrafted-free-agent-alan-williams-makes-summer-league-statement
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7/18/2015  9:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2015  10:18 PM
wouldn't mind him along with the return on Jeremy Tyler

Needs
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1- Think we need a bit more size with a PF/C

With no LEGIT Center behind ROLO who is 28mins to low 30mins at best player

- Larry Sanders/Andray Blatche

- Seraphin
- Justin Hamilton *can hit wide open 3pters and play Center as well, 2year vet min*

- Jordan Jordan and Jeremy Tyler

- Jermaine Oneil/Reggie Evans

Alan Williams


2- A PG that could penetrate or another player room another position that could penetrate

Maybe and POINT FORWARD type

We only have ONE player and he is a a "rook" that could penetrate consistently


Ndour deserves a spot and if we do not give him one right away, some other team will
With his length/athleticism/size/mobility, with a shooting touch/hustle/energy plays and he is YOUNG so has great upside, if we do not give him a contract, a team will pull a Willie Reed on The Heat
At least a 2year contract vet min, with 1st fully guaranteed

Probably could use a G/F like Dorrell Wright as well

Would prefer Thanasis over Early as well, not sure if we can get a 2nd rounder for Early

The money and roster spots spent on Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas costs us 3m in cap space and we still have 2.8m RE left now
Amundson makes the least sense, as he will have trouble getting a guaranteed contract on any other team as he has in the past years, and he only makes 200k more but costs us 1.8m in cap space

Surprised we didn't make and offer to Josh Smith with the 3m cap space instead

only 2 roster spots left

while Ledo and Early are not guarantee's

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7/18/2015  9:44 PM
What's the difference between anyone mentioned here and Kyle O'Quinn?
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7/18/2015  9:51 PM
With O Quin and Alan Williams....

they are quite similar IMO too, except he is younger and cheaper, so he could get better

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7/18/2015  9:56 PM
RonRon wrote:With O Quin and Alan Williams....

they are quite similar IMO too, except he is younger and cheaper, so he could get better

Williams would cost 500 k. He probably doesn't fit the criteria of what they want but he has some Zach Randolph like characteristics.

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7/18/2015  9:56 PM
RonRon wrote:With O Quin and Alan Williams....

they are quite similar IMO too, except he is younger and cheaper, so he could get better

O'Quinn is 25, Alan is 22...

kyle is also 2-3 inches taller and has a better beard.

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7/18/2015  9:58 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:With O Quin and Alan Williams....

they are quite similar IMO too, except he is younger and cheaper, so he could get better

Williams would cost 500 k. He probably doesn't fit the criteria of what they want but he has some Zach Randolph like characteristics.

its really the contracts of the other players that suck, we have limited roster spots and other needs as well

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7/18/2015  10:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2015  10:08 PM
we see all these vet min signings of talent while we need to overpay for Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas, it makes no sense, I do not care how hard they work
they are unlikely to even get a guaranteed contract period and have no upside, they have a higher chance making 30k in the D League than a vet min from another team, especially Lou Amundson

So that 3m we used, we could have targeted these vet min players that signed for cheaper

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7/18/2015  10:10 PM
RonRon wrote:we see all these vet min signings of talent while we need to overpay for Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas, it makes no sense, I do not care how hard they work
they are unlikely to even get a guaranteed contract period and have no upside, they have a higher chance making 30k than a vet min from another team, especially Lou Amundson

So that 3m we used, we could have targeted these vet min players that signed for cheaper

You need veteran leadership. Knicks felt Lou and Lance brought that professionalism. I thought they did too. The signings keeps continuity. You need enough guys to return that knows what's going on and what the team is trying to accomplish. Lou and Lance probably won't play much as the season progresses. At least that's the hope. If they aren't paying that means we are probably having a great year and the new guys are catching on nicely

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