With the Rockets potentially losing Jason Terry to Dallas and all of their free agent targets off the board, I could easily see them absorbing Calderon's contract into their platoon system. The same goes for the Mavericks who can dangle Raymond Felton's expirer as bait. But would that $7 million or so be useful at this stage of free agency? Who could we target?

For the record, I think that George Hill would be a terrific addition to our system but I think that Indiana's asking price might be higher than a contract dump for that $7 million. Any idea how we could get him?

Dagger wrote:Grant will be the starting PG as you said, Calderon will be able to split minutes with him in the beginning if the Knicks are concerned about putting so much responsibility on a rookie. It doesn't make sense to move Calderon right now, his value is low and we're not as thirsty at PG as we once were.

Yeah we are! What has Grant proven?

I suppose that we could make things interesting if we manage to re-sign Alexey Shved but even so, we'll be the only team AGAIN to not have a top 30 PG (Philly still had MCW for most of last season). If we really want to win now, we desperately need some good veteran play at that position.

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Its Jose... he's one year removed from starting PG on a 50 win Mavs team. He's a good player who brings plenty to the table. He was hurt last year and had nothing to show. Get him healthy and playing good ball again. Jose gets hated on here alot, especially by Briggs, mostly unfairly. He's not a star but he's a good player and unless his legs are shot he will help plenty.

Jose is 35 years old. Bad seasons for players that advanced in age isn't the exception, it's the norm. These are the last days of Jose Calderon. I still think he can contribute on a team whose success isn't contingent on him and/or his position like the Rockets but we are certainly not the Rockets even though we are improved.

I often agree with you fish, but Jose will probably spend a good portion of the season looking sharp in a suit and tie. Until he proves otherwise, we have to assume he will be hurt. I mean last year those injuries were what, flukes or the result of old age?

If we found someone willing to take Jose off our hands, we should do it.

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Its Jose... he's one year removed from starting PG on a 50 win Mavs team. He's a good player who brings plenty to the table. He was hurt last year and had nothing to show. Get him healthy and playing good ball again. Jose gets hated on here alot, especially by Briggs, mostly unfairly. He's not a star but he's a good player and unless his legs are shot he will help plenty.

Jose is 35 years old. Bad seasons for players that advanced in age isn't the exception, it's the norm. These are the last days of Jose Calderon. I still think he can contribute on a team whose success isn't contingent on him and/or his position like the Rockets but we are certainly not the Rockets even though we are improved.

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^^Jose is 33. He turns 34 just before the start of the season. I think he has value. Not sure who the Knicks would be targeting with the 4 mil in cap space the Knicks get if they stretch him. I think the room exception is totally separate so you are looking at guys that would take 4 mil. I think the best thing is to keep Jose. I would love an update on how he is doing though with his Achilles issue.

I implied trading him as a contract dump, not stretching him. Stretching his contract was always a dumb idea.

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^^Jose is 33. He turns 34 just before the start of the season. I think he has value. Not sure who the Knicks would be targeting with the 4 mil in cap space the Knicks get if they stretch him. I think the room exception is totally separate so you are looking at guys that would take 4 mil. I think the best thing is to keep Jose. I would love an update on how he is doing though with his Achilles issue.

I might prefer Alexey Shved or Jeremy Lin at $4m.

franco12 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Its Jose... he's one year removed from starting PG on a 50 win Mavs team. He's a good player who brings plenty to the table. He was hurt last year and had nothing to show. Get him healthy and playing good ball again. Jose gets hated on here alot, especially by Briggs, mostly unfairly. He's not a star but he's a good player and unless his legs are shot he will help plenty.

Jose is 35 years old. Bad seasons for players that advanced in age isn't the exception, it's the norm. These are the last days of Jose Calderon. I still think he can contribute on a team whose success isn't contingent on him and/or his position like the Rockets but we are certainly not the Rockets even though we are improved.

I often agree with you fish, but Jose will probably spend a good portion of the season looking sharp in a suit and tie. Until he proves otherwise, we have to assume he will be hurt. I mean last year those injuries were what, flukes or the result of old age?

If we found someone willing to take Jose off our hands, we should do it.

For three years before last year Jose has played 75+ games a year. He's not a run and jump guy, he's a quickness guy. If Jose's legs are shot fine, but only looking at his last year was the same mistake we made with Tyson. Guys get hurt. Guys get healthy. Nothing about Jose tells me his career is shot.

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^^Jose is 33. He turns 34 just before the start of the season. I think he has value. Not sure who the Knicks would be targeting with the 4 mil in cap space the Knicks get if they stretch him. I think the room exception is totally separate so you are looking at guys that would take 4 mil. I think the best thing is to keep Jose. I would love an update on how he is doing though with his Achilles issue.

I implied trading him as a contract dump, not stretching him. Stretching his contract was always a dumb idea.

He probably is more valuable to the Knicks. Maybe the Mavs would want him back. If he is healthy I think he should be kept in NY. If he isn't healthy no one would trade for him. Sorry I missed the 7 mil in cap space in your initial post.

I'm not sure if I explicitly stated that we should do it as a contract dump in my first post, so no worries. But I think it would be the ideal manuever moving forward. I don't see him offering much utility for us without a core that could be considered bona-fided contenders. That's the reason why he was able to be a valued player with the Mavs and it is also the reason why he was so lost with us. The only thing I like about him is that he does seem to be a cerebral guy and a good locker room presence, which should help Grant acclimate himself to a NBA game. But even so, it still leaves 7s without something that is far more valuable....a starting PG.

If he's in good shape and seems to be playing well, we will benefit from having him on the floor, or maybe he becomes a more attractive trade chip.