newyorknewyork wrote:Our potential success comes down to developing these 2 players. If we are able to develop them into high quality players then everything falls into place.

-Melo-KP-Grant as primary options.
-Quality role players in Lopez, Quinn, Affalo, Galloway.
-Projected 20mil in cap space next off season
-Depending what we do next off season more cap flexibility/space the following.
-Big time players if they see we have talent like a KP & Grant to go with Melo as well as quality role players in place. They will be more interested in coming.

Guys like Lopez & Quinn also are rugged enough protect KP as he develops these next few yrs.

Maintain the cap flexibility to sign a big time player and develop KP & Grant. Our best and only shot at being a contender at the end off all this.

BRIGGS wrote:Kp is the potential star those thinking jerian could be a star might be mistaken. I'd keep him along the lines of what we have seen in fa. Solid if there is upside from solid fantastic

Why should we be mistaken that Jerian Grant can't be a star?
-He's the second best passer coming out of the draft
-He's a high impact player on BOTH ends of the court
-He has been a leader for all teams he plays for, not to mention like Porzingis, his family breathes basketball
-Great athletcism
- Very good at creating his own offensive and offensive for others
The only thing that held back his draft position, much like your mans Kaminsky was that he was a senior.

anrst wrote:Kristaps needs to get consistent playing time. At least 20 min per game.

But This is my concern. FIscher!!! The man can not get a rotation going. And how is he gonna handle all these new faces?

Is this the right coach for Kristaps?

I doubt it.

I would start Porzingis and play him at least 20MPG, and go up to 25/30 MPG according to how he is playing on any particular night.

See how Calderon plays- the better he is doing the greater the chance we have of trading him at some point.

Maybe Grant just earns the playing time, though. Who knows, at this point? I would want to have Grant playing 15+MPGm and then go from there based on how he grasps things.

BRIGGS wrote:

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kp is the potential star those thinking jerian could be a star might be mistaken. I'd keep him along the lines of what we have seen in fa. Solid if there is upside from solid fantastic

Why should we be mistaken that Jerian Grant can't be a star?
-He's the second best passer coming out of the draft
-He's a high impact player on BOTH ends of the court
-He has been a leader for all teams he plays for, not to mention like Porzingis, his family breathes basketball
-Great athletcism
- Very good at creating his own offensive and offensive for others
The only thing that held back his draft position, much like your mans Kaminsky was that he was a senior.

We'll have to see how jerian shoots in the nba. He was a porous 3 point shooter in college. Also don't overestimate his speed or athletic ability. He's smart has good size good mentality but I don't see him as a star type in the nba. His best case scenario would be a Derrick Harper which would be great but his downside is a 2 nod stringer who has trouble finishing against nba caliber players and not hitting his outside shot. I thought his pre draft workout that I saw compared to others was excellent

Jerian Grant is 6'5", 204 pounds. He'll turn 23 shortly before the new season begins. His game is the polar opposite of Hardaway's, which is to say Grant does things. Lots of things. Last year he averaged 16.5 points, 6.6 assists, 3 rebounds and 1.7 steals for Notre Dame, leading the ACC in assists per game and assist percentage, as well as free throws made and attempted and win shares (Jahlil who?). Every year of his college career he averaged at least a steal and a half per 40 minutes. His height and wingspan (6'8") help him on both ends: when he's running the offense he can see over his man as passing lanes develop, and he has the length to disrupt passing lanes when he's defending.

His strengths are his size, his passing, and his ability to create offense for himself and his teammates. Grant led all collegians last year producing 1.45 points per half court possession via a shot or an assist (minimum 500 possessions). He hit 55% on runners and shots at the rim; his assist-to-turnover ratio was slightly better than three to one. His 57% shooting on twos was tops among Draft Express's top 100 guards. The 32% he shot on threes was his lowest as a collegian; over the prior four years and 81 games he hit 36% from downtown. In short, the Knicks acquired a big point guard who can get his and set up others for theirs. That's a good look.

anrst wrote:

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kp is the potential star those thinking jerian could be a star might be mistaken. I'd keep him along the lines of what we have seen in fa. Solid if there is upside from solid fantastic

Why should we be mistaken that Jerian Grant can't be a star?
-He's the second best passer coming out of the draft
-He's a high impact player on BOTH ends of the court
-He has been a leader for all teams he plays for, not to mention like Porzingis, his family breathes basketball
-Great athletcism
- Very good at creating his own offensive and offensive for others
The only thing that held back his draft position, much like your mans Kaminsky was that he was a senior.

We'll have to see how jerian shoots in the nba. He was a porous 3 point shooter in college. Also don't overestimate his speed or athletic ability. He's smart has good size good mentality but I don't see him as a star type in the nba. His best case scenario would be a Derrick Harper which would be great but his downside is a 2 nod stringer who has trouble finishing against nba caliber players and not hitting his outside shot. I thought his pre draft workout that I saw compared to others was excellent

I have no idea who that is but fair enough. I think his worst case scenario is Reggie Jackson..

you don't know how derek harper is? cmon...

TheGame wrote:

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kp is the potential star those thinking jerian could be a star might be mistaken. I'd keep him along the lines of what we have seen in fa. Solid if there is upside from solid fantastic

Why should we be mistaken that Jerian Grant can't be a star?
-He's the second best passer coming out of the draft
-He's a high impact player on BOTH ends of the court
-He has been a leader for all teams he plays for, not to mention like Porzingis, his family breathes basketball
-Great athletcism
- Very good at creating his own offensive and offensive for others
The only thing that held back his draft position, much like your mans Kaminsky was that he was a senior.

I agree. If Grant had been a sophmore, he would have been a top-10 pick. I do not think he is going to be a perennial All-star, but I think it realistic that he could get to a Jeff Teague-type level by his second year.

WaltLongmire wrote:

anrst wrote:

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kp is the potential star those thinking jerian could be a star might be mistaken. I'd keep him along the lines of what we have seen in fa. Solid if there is upside from solid fantastic

Why should we be mistaken that Jerian Grant can't be a star?
-He's the second best passer coming out of the draft
-He's a high impact player on BOTH ends of the court
-He has been a leader for all teams he plays for, not to mention like Porzingis, his family breathes basketball
-Great athletcism
- Very good at creating his own offensive and offensive for others
The only thing that held back his draft position, much like your mans Kaminsky was that he was a senior.

We'll have to see how jerian shoots in the nba. He was a porous 3 point shooter in college. Also don't overestimate his speed or athletic ability. He's smart has good size good mentality but I don't see him as a star type in the nba. His best case scenario would be a Derrick Harper which would be great but his downside is a 2 nod stringer who has trouble finishing against nba caliber players and not hitting his outside shot. I thought his pre draft workout that I saw compared to others was excellent

I have no idea who that is but fair enough. I think his worst case scenario is Reggie Jackson..

you don't know how derek harper is? cmon...

Would be great if he is a Derek Harper type player.

One my all time favorite Knicks, would love to see Grant have a similar career. What really got me pysched from looking at game clips of him was how he could find teammates in a half court set, transition, with his back to the basket, you name it. Dont need him to be a prolific scorer if he can show the same passing skills in the pros.

Bonn1997 wrote:

TheGame wrote:

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kp is the potential star those thinking jerian could be a star might be mistaken. I'd keep him along the lines of what we have seen in fa. Solid if there is upside from solid fantastic

Why should we be mistaken that Jerian Grant can't be a star?
-He's the second best passer coming out of the draft
-He's a high impact player on BOTH ends of the court
-He has been a leader for all teams he plays for, not to mention like Porzingis, his family breathes basketball
-Great athletcism
- Very good at creating his own offensive and offensive for others
The only thing that held back his draft position, much like your mans Kaminsky was that he was a senior.

I agree. If Grant had been a sophmore, he would have been a top-10 pick. I do not think he is going to be a perennial All-star, but I think it realistic that he could get to a Jeff Teague-type level by his second year.

Well, yeah but he was a 22 year old competing against 18 or 19 year olds on many nights. That's not to say he can't be a good player but there's good reason to place a lot of emphasis on class year.