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fitzfarm
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7/5/2015  7:56 AM
Think about the starting 5 last year on opening day

Larkin
Shump
Melo
Acy
Smith

And this year

Grant
AA
Melo
KP
Lopez

Now let's look at the reserves

Pablo
Jr
Thjr
Wear
Amare

This year
Galloway
Shved (hopefully)
Early or Greek
Williams
O'quinn

Yes thanks phil for giving us a real team I'd give it a ten plus from last years low iq team

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StarksEwing1
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7/5/2015  9:27 AM
Its been a so so offseason. I was expecting us to get one of the top guys in free agency. However i like most of the moves.lopez was a overpay but im a fan of the signing. The only move i hate is the williams signing. Still have a ways to go and phil needs to find a way to get a first round pick in next years draft
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7/5/2015  9:38 AM
Very satisfied. I never expected a big FA to come. MOnroe is not the right fit, so no big deal. Solid rotation players are needed. No they just need to fill in the gaps with Stars. 1-2 would be enough.
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7/5/2015  9:51 AM
We're really dependent on Porzingis becoming great. I think people here are going to be shocked and outraged when they see the metrics models predicting around 29 or 31 wins.
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7/5/2015  10:20 AM
The draft was great! KP, Jerian and Willy was a very good haul. Phil's moves solidify the roster and make it more amenable to playing team ball and defending. It's not a sexy set of moves but they were smart. Adding players who have the right skills, upside and some toughness. Taken as a whole it was a very good off Season.

Phil has established a strong base to build on. IMO the team should be more competitive. The smart move was to take a positive step as a franchise and build from there. Even if you added one of the bigger names the team still wasn't going magically be a title contender. For this team to eventually become a title team they have to develop their own stars and top rotation players. Develop a winning team and make it a better destination for a top FA but we can't depend on that as the sole means of building a winner. I think we'd all prefer we develop our own stars and take it from there.

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7/5/2015  10:39 AM
Given the contracts that we've seen thrown around this FA period…Lopez was a good deal, IMO, especially the fact that we got him for 4 years.

Players, especially the good ones, seemed to be looking for winning franchises to go to, or teams where they were a missing piece.

Have not seen any stats done on this, but you would expect that an overwhelming number of the "top FAs" who signed with new teams went to teams who were in the playoffs last year, and if you look at the teams with the top 8 draft picks, we did very well in acquiring decent players on good terms.

Phil's brought in some solid, team-first type players, for the most part, and as far as I know they are all good in the locker room. Still not sure about Williams as a player, but I figure that Fisher, who would have played against him a few times over the years, believes something is there to work with.

I liked our draft a lot, and expect that Grant will play significant time by the end of the year and, and may even start, and KP, if given the right minutes, will emerge as a very solid contributor by the end of the year. Add in Hernangomez, who becomes, in essence, the 1st round pick we don't officially have for next year, and you have a good nucleus to work with.

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7/5/2015  10:45 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:We're really dependent on Porzingis becoming great. I think people here are going to be shocked and outraged when they see the metrics models predicting around 29 or 31 wins.

After the last two years, no we won't!

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7/5/2015  10:45 AM
Unless grant is ready out of the gates..expect a lot of chaos finger pointing and bad morale. We needed a capable floor general and we are gambling grant or Galloway who is more of a 2 becomes that.
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7/5/2015  10:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/5/2015  10:55 AM
Out of the big name free agents that actually changed teams there was only 3 that Phil really wanted in G.Monroe, D.Jordan and LMA and two of them aren't worth the max that they were paid so i'm really content with what Phil has done as his plan B. We've added some good young talent on good contracts. Rolo may have been overpaid be 1/2 million per but that will only look bad for next year and then with the cap rise his deal will be a bargain.
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7/5/2015  10:47 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:We're really dependent on Porzingis becoming great. I think people here are going to be shocked and outraged when they see the metrics models predicting around 29 or 31 wins.

After the last two years, no we won't!


LOL
When I closely look at the win shares, I'm coming up with totals in the upper 20s, with almost half of that due to Melo and Lopez. If either one of them gets hurt and misses a lot of time, we might be in a battle for the league's worst record again.
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7/5/2015  10:50 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Very satisfied. I never expected a big FA to come. MOnroe is not the right fit, so no big deal. Solid rotation players are needed. No they just need to fill in the gaps with Stars. 1-2 would be enough.

I never thought Monroe was a good fit with this current team. And Melo aint going no where, regardless of his age. Lopez is a better fit next to KP and Melo. We needed a defensive center with a little offense. I personally liked Chandler, but Lopez is younger, doesn't have a negative attitude and has more half court offense. So overall, Lopez is a more complete player. I think the D.Williams pickup is the right kind of risk we should take. You have to buy low and hope you get the right person at the right time. Phil clearly wasn't affraid to make questionable additions, which means he's not worried about his legacy. D.Will is also another offensive guy, which is what we needed off the bench. We have a good mix of offensive and defensive roll players. A ready made team for a max player to come in and fill that championship need.

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7/5/2015  10:54 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:Given the contracts that we've seen thrown around this FA period…Lopez was a good deal, IMO, especially the fact that we got him for 4 years.

Players, especially the good ones, seemed to be looking for winning franchises to go to, or teams where they were a missing piece.

Have not seen any stats done on this, but you would expect that an overwhelming number of the "top FAs" who signed with new teams went to teams who were in the playoffs last year, and if you look at the teams with the top 8 draft picks, we did very well in acquiring decent players on good terms.

Phil's brought in some solid, team-first type players, for the most part, and as far as I know they are all good in the locker room. Still not sure about Williams as a player, but I figure that Fisher, who would have played against him a few times over the years, believes something is there to work with.

I liked our draft a lot, and expect that Grant will play significant time by the end of the year and, and may even start, and KP, if given the right minutes, will emerge as a very solid contributor by the end of the year. Add in Hernangomez, who becomes, in essence, the 1st round pick we don't officially have for next year, and you have a good nucleus to work with.

Well said and i agree. I think it isn't gonna take as long as a lot of people seem to think it will for KP to contribute. I think he can give us a good 20/25 minutes next year and be ready to start in 2016/17 season. Will he get banged on some?? Of course he will but he's a smart basketball player and he'll learn to use his length on defense and hopefully learn how to use the big guys banging on him to his advantage and get some offensive fouls called. I think a lot of fans are just shocked right now at how Phil is going about this rebuild cause everyone is so used to us just signing whatever big names we can get for huge contracts and not doing it the right way with good young players and affordable contracts.

THE TIMES ARE CHANGING FOR THE KNICKS AND I LIKE IT.

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7/5/2015  10:58 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:We're really dependent on Porzingis becoming great. I think people here are going to be shocked and outraged when they see the metrics models predicting around 29 or 31 wins.

After the last two years, no we won't!


LOL
When I closely look at the win shares, I'm coming up with totals in the upper 20s, with almost half of that due to Melo and Lopez. If either one of them gets hurt and misses a lot of time, we might be in a battle for the league's worst record again.

So what?? It's not about winning a chip next year and everyone knows that. It's about these guys coming together next year and then hopefully finding the right guys next summer to finish the rebuild.
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7/5/2015  10:59 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:Out of the big name free agents that actually changed teams there was only 3 that Phil really wanted in G.Monroe, D.Jordan and LMA and two of them aren't worth the max that they were paid so i'm really content with what Phil has done as his plan B. We've added some good young talent on good contracts. Rolo may have been overpaid be 1/2 million per but that will only look bad for next year and then with the cap rise his deal will be a bargain.

+1

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7/5/2015  11:05 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:We're really dependent on Porzingis becoming great. I think people here are going to be shocked and outraged when they see the metrics models predicting around 29 or 31 wins.

After the last two years, no we won't!


LOL
When I closely look at the win shares, I'm coming up with totals in the upper 20s, with almost half of that due to Melo and Lopez. If either one of them gets hurt and misses a lot of time, we might be in a battle for the league's worst record again.

So what?? It's not about winning a chip next year and everyone knows that. It's about these guys coming together next year and then hopefully finding the right guys next summer to finish the rebuild.

For me, I know it sounds petty, but it's also about avoiding the heartache of giving up another high lottery pick

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7/5/2015  11:16 AM
nixluva wrote:The draft was great! KP, Jerian and Willy was a very good haul. Phil's moves solidify the roster and make it more amenable to playing team ball and defending. It's not a sexy set of moves but they were smart. Adding players who have the right skills, upside and some toughness. Taken as a whole it was a very good off Season.

Phil has established a strong base to build on. IMO the team should be more competitive. The smart move was to take a positive step as a franchise and build from there. Even if you added one of the bigger names the team still wasn't going magically be a title contender. For this team to eventually become a title team they have to develop their own stars and top rotation players. Develop a winning team and make it a better destination for a top FA but we can't depend on that as the sole means of building a winner. I think we'd all prefer we develop our own stars and take it from there.

I would not go so far as to give Phil an A on the off-season, but certainly a B+. Draft was solid - we got the BPA at our pick and made a terrific trade for a future starting PG. FA wasn't splashy, but signing Rolo shored up a position of need (defensive 5) and signing AA did the same (legit second option scorer at the 2).

I had hoped THjr would blossom here into the 2 spot, but he was so bad defensively and so inconsistent on the other end, he just needed to be someplace else. With the Hawks' run and gun game, he should thrive. But let's face it, he's not the high IQ player his dad was.

Overall, I agree with Nix (usually do) and think Phil did exactly what he said he'd do: Set us on the right course, not make any splashy Dolan-esque moves, build for the future, etc.

Melo can get on board or take a flippin hike.

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7/5/2015  11:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/5/2015  11:42 AM
It's funny how everyone is completely giving up on Calderon.

Don't get me wrong, he obviously did not do anything for us last season but before that, he was a very serviceable player. He is one of the guys we will really need this season and even if he doesn't start, could be valuable for us as a 6th man.

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7/5/2015  11:59 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:We're really dependent on Porzingis becoming great. I think people here are going to be shocked and outraged when they see the metrics models predicting around 29 or 31 wins.

I disagree. Anyone who is expecting to win 35+ with this team clearly don't buy into what the Knicks are doing.

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7/5/2015  11:59 AM
s3231 wrote:It's funny how everyone is completely giving up on Calderon.

Don't get me wrong, he obviously did not do anything for us last season but before that, he was a very serviceable player. He is one of the guys we will really need this season and even if he doesn't start, could be bee valuable for us as a 6th man.

Jose seems to have apologized to Phil for coming into last season not in the best shape which led to his injuries. A healthy Jose will be a solid player for us. He gets a bit too much bashing based on last year. He should be a solid piece and we need him to play well to have any hope of trading him at some point.

I'm excited about Jerian. He seems to constantly get overlooked. He was a great pick up. His passing and penetration should open up great looks and attacking the basket.

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7/5/2015  12:01 PM
^^^^Any word on how Jose is doing recovering from his Achilles injury?
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