RonRon wrote:OMG what a STEAL, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN PHIL after this summer

Why? He's not a smart player at all.

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Well i'm one of the guys that was alright with the D.Williams signing even though i think we overpaid by about one million per but now i really think we overpaid after seeing Biyombo get 2 years and 6 million. They're obviously different players but if i had to choose 2 years 10 million per for DW or 2 years 6 million per for Biyombo i would of chosen Biyombo for sure.

We really need a player that can play PF/C, defend and rebound- a shame we missed out on him.

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:OMG what a STEAL, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN PHIL after this summer

Why? He's not a smart player at all.

regardless, he is YOUNG, and improved a lot last season
He has the combination of mobility/length/strength/athleticism, and can improve, who already can REBOUND, BLOCK SHOTS, and score without plays called for him

Rather than using money on Derrick Williams 2year deal with a PLAYER OPTION

He has much more trade value than many of our players we signed at their deals

For anyone that thinks Biyombo should have made less, please look at our roster and the prices we paid for them...

With Koufus remaining, and other players that signed for less than Lopez like Brandon Wright/Ajinica/even ED Davis, though I would rather have Greg Monroe at a MAX than our roster

So you just want to slap players together? In another thread you are arguing about Phil not having a plan, adding a guy like Biyombo is exactly that.

Lopez is a legit starting C, those others guys you mention are not. It also paves way for Melo to the 4 Spot

NOT at that price, while we wanted to pay Greg Monroe (only 3m more to start, while Monroe is already a 2nd tier OFF talent that could prove to be BETTER) less, but are willing to overpay for Lopez...
And signing AFFALO first, ruined any chance we had to sign 2 impact players

Monroe is a second tier OFF talent? No ****ing way. Monroe IMHO is a duplication of Melo only not as good: good on offense but rest of lineup needs to compensate for his weaknesses on D and you can't have 2 of those in a starting lineup for a team that goes deep into playoffs.

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:OMG what a STEAL, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN PHIL after this summer

Why? He's not a smart player at all.

regardless, he is YOUNG, and improved a lot last season
He has the combination of mobility/length/strength/athleticism, and can improve, who already can REBOUND, BLOCK SHOTS, and score without plays called for him

Rather than using money on Derrick Williams 2year deal with a PLAYER OPTION

He has much more trade value than many of our players we signed at their deals

For anyone that thinks Biyombo should have made less, please look at our roster and the prices we paid for them...

With Koufus remaining, and other players that signed for less than Lopez like Brandon Wright/Ajinica/even ED Davis, though I would rather have Greg Monroe at a MAX than our roster

So you just want to slap players together? In another thread you are arguing about Phil not having a plan, adding a guy like Biyombo is exactly that.

Lopez is a legit starting C, those others guys you mention are not. It also paves way for Melo to the 4 Spot

NOT at that price, while we wanted to pay Greg Monroe (only 3m more to start, while Monroe is already a 2nd tier OFF talent that could prove to be BETTER) less, but are willing to overpay for Lopez...
And signing AFFALO first, ruined any chance we had to sign 2 impact players

Monroe is a second tier OFF talent? No ****ing way. Monroe IMHO is a duplication of Melo only not as good: good on offense but rest of lineup needs to compensate for his weaknesses on D and you can't have 2 of those in a starting lineup for a team that goes deep into playoffs.

Monroe >> Lopez

Lopez could be solid role player on a team that could defend/score with ALL STARS, we do not currently have such talent
While Monroe is much more skilled than Lopez, if we didn't want to overpay for Monroe that is fine, but overpaying for Lopez is a horrible move
A 4year deal on top of that with NO TEAM OPTION on final year while overpaying for his services when he can not match up vs SMALL BALL

Your agruements are getting worse and worse. You don't want to "overpay" for Lopez but seem to be ok with doing so for Monroe (he would not sign for anything less than max which is way overpaying for his output on a very god awful team), cause he certainly hasn't proven anything. And why do you bring up small ball cause Monroe would not fit with that either.

On top of that you still haven't explained to me how Melo and Monroe fit together and how the team makeup would need to be to make up for their lack of D.

Lopez is a rim protector, PnR defender and generally not deficient on either side of the ball. I like locking him into 4 years cause he doesn't really have a downside, fits next to Both KP or Melo at the 4 and assures the team for a center for a long time (it's one of the hardest positions to fill).

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:OMG what a STEAL, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN PHIL after this summer

Why? He's not a smart player at all.

regardless, he is YOUNG, and improved a lot last season
He has the combination of mobility/length/strength/athleticism, and can improve, who already can REBOUND, BLOCK SHOTS, and score without plays called for him

Rather than using money on Derrick Williams 2year deal with a PLAYER OPTION

He has much more trade value than many of our players we signed at their deals

For anyone that thinks Biyombo should have made less, please look at our roster and the prices we paid for them...

With Koufus remaining, and other players that signed for less than Lopez like Brandon Wright/Ajinica/even ED Davis, though I would rather have Greg Monroe at a MAX than our roster

So you just want to slap players together? In another thread you are arguing about Phil not having a plan, adding a guy like Biyombo is exactly that.

Lopez is a legit starting C, those others guys you mention are not. It also paves way for Melo to the 4 Spot

NOT at that price, while we wanted to pay Greg Monroe (only 3m more to start, while Monroe is already a 2nd tier OFF talent that could prove to be BETTER) less, but are willing to overpay for Lopez...
And signing AFFALO first, ruined any chance we had to sign 2 impact players

Monroe is a second tier OFF talent? No ****ing way. Monroe IMHO is a duplication of Melo only not as good: good on offense but rest of lineup needs to compensate for his weaknesses on D and you can't have 2 of those in a starting lineup for a team that goes deep into playoffs.

Monroe >> Lopez

Lopez could be solid role player on a team that could defend/score with ALL STARS, we do not currently have such talent
While Monroe is much more skilled than Lopez, if we didn't want to overpay for Monroe that is fine, but overpaying for Lopez is a horrible move
A 4year deal on top of that with NO TEAM OPTION on final year while overpaying for his services when he can not match up vs SMALL BALL

Your agruements are getting worse and worse. You don't want to "overpay" for Lopez but seem to be ok with doing so for Monroe (he would not sign for anything less than max which is way overpaying for his output on a very god awful team), cause he certainly hasn't proven anything. And why do you bring up small ball cause Monroe would not fit with that either.

On top of that you still haven't explained to me how Melo and Monroe fit together and how the team makeup would need to be to make up for their lack of D.

Lopez is a rim protector, PnR defender and generally not deficient on either side of the ball. I like locking him into 4 years cause he doesn't really have a downside, fits next to Both KP or Melo at the 4 and assures the team for a center for a long time (it's one of the hardest positions to fill).

Biyombo could also play as the PF especially if he plays next to a stretch 5 *even better if it is one that could rebound and a versatile skill set, a position that KP could eventually play years down the road as he fills out his body and continues to expand his game, who can still grow

For KP, he should be getting stronger BUT with more REPS and SET that would be his body weight and NOT POWER LIFTING, which could limit his ability to grow
KP's strength is his mobility/length/athleticism/skill set/ and HIGH IQ to create mismatches, and NOT strength right now, while Durant/Ibaka and many other players have shown that strength doesn't need to come with muscles in the NBA

Also, he would be playing a lot vs 2nd unit players and could easily play anywhere from SF to Center because of it
Ajincia and Anthony Davis entered the league as skinny PF/C's yes he does need to get stronger but not at the cost of his mobility/athleticism/soft shooting touch/agility/ speed + quickeness that is his STRENGTH along with his LENGTH

Martin, you have your opinions, I have mine, if you think Lopez >>> than Monroe especially on that contract, then I would be wrong with EVERY OTHER SCOUT and analysis/writers, who have ranked Monroe higher than Lopez as a UFA

Lopez is a role player while we NEED OFF and upgrade for OFFENSIVE TALENT that could score in the post and facilitate, which Monroe has shown he can do effectively through out his career especially last season when Josh Smith went down

btw, we could actually sign Lopez on a very reasonable deal and still get Monroe had we not signed Affalo first

then with Cole Aldrich's early bird rights, we could have the FULL 6m MLE to utilize, opt to use the LLE aka Bi Annual exemption, which would actually improve our roster this year and for the future for future talents to consider New York

Biyombo a low IQ bball player, Jackson building a culture and team that is just not about slapping players onto a fantasy team.

RonRon, you keep slapping players together without thinking about whole team and both sides of the ball.

We need Monroe because we need offense? How about addressing the bigger picture and some of my points? Monroe can't defend the paint, is a poor PnR defender and it a worse fit with Melo on D. Address that type of poor team building.

Address the fact that you harp and moan about overpaying for Lopez and then are deadly silent while wanting to sign Monroe for a contract that he is absolutely not worth?

Scouts may rank Monroe higher than Lopez but who gives a ****, they aren't building a team and that's what's really going on here.

Also, Knicks were under cap so don't have MLE to use.

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:OMG what a STEAL, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN PHIL after this summer

Why? He's not a smart player at all.

regardless, he is YOUNG, and improved a lot last season
He has the combination of mobility/length/strength/athleticism, and can improve, who already can REBOUND, BLOCK SHOTS, and score without plays called for him

Rather than using money on Derrick Williams 2year deal with a PLAYER OPTION

He has much more trade value than many of our players we signed at their deals

For anyone that thinks Biyombo should have made less, please look at our roster and the prices we paid for them...

With Koufus remaining, and other players that signed for less than Lopez like Brandon Wright/Ajinica/even ED Davis, though I would rather have Greg Monroe at a MAX than our roster

So you just want to slap players together? In another thread you are arguing about Phil not having a plan, adding a guy like Biyombo is exactly that.

Lopez is a legit starting C, those others guys you mention are not. It also paves way for Melo to the 4 Spot

NOT at that price, while we wanted to pay Greg Monroe (only 3m more to start, while Monroe is already a 2nd tier OFF talent that could prove to be BETTER) less, but are willing to overpay for Lopez...
And signing AFFALO first, ruined any chance we had to sign 2 impact players

Monroe is a second tier OFF talent? No ****ing way. Monroe IMHO is a duplication of Melo only not as good: good on offense but rest of lineup needs to compensate for his weaknesses on D and you can't have 2 of those in a starting lineup for a team that goes deep into playoffs.

Monroe >> Lopez

Lopez could be solid role player on a team that could defend/score with ALL STARS, we do not currently have such talent
While Monroe is much more skilled than Lopez, if we didn't want to overpay for Monroe that is fine, but overpaying for Lopez is a horrible move
A 4year deal on top of that with NO TEAM OPTION on final year while overpaying for his services when he can not match up vs SMALL BALL

Your agruements are getting worse and worse. You don't want to "overpay" for Lopez but seem to be ok with doing so for Monroe (he would not sign for anything less than max which is way overpaying for his output on a very god awful team), cause he certainly hasn't proven anything. And why do you bring up small ball cause Monroe would not fit with that either.

On top of that you still haven't explained to me how Melo and Monroe fit together and how the team makeup would need to be to make up for their lack of D.

Lopez is a rim protector, PnR defender and generally not deficient on either side of the ball. I like locking him into 4 years cause he doesn't really have a downside, fits next to Both KP or Melo at the 4 and assures the team for a center for a long time (it's one of the hardest positions to fill).

Biyombo could also play as the PF especially if he plays next to a stretch 5 *even better if it is one that could rebound and a versatile skill set, a position that KP could eventually play years down the road as he fills out his body and continues to expand his game, who can still grow

For KP, he should be getting stronger BUT with more REPS and SET that would be his body weight and NOT POWER LIFTING, which could limit his ability to grow
KP's strength is his mobility/length/athleticism/skill set/ and HIGH IQ to create mismatches, and NOT strength right now, while Durant/Ibaka and many other players have shown that strength doesn't need to come with muscles in the NBA

Also, he would be playing a lot vs 2nd unit players and could easily play anywhere from SF to Center because of it
Ajincia and Anthony Davis entered the league as skinny PF/C's yes he does need to get stronger but not at the cost of his mobility/athleticism/soft shooting touch/agility/ speed + quickeness that is his STRENGTH along with his LENGTH

Martin, you have your opinions, I have mine, if you think Lopez >>> than Monroe especially on that contract, then I would be wrong with EVERY OTHER SCOUT and analysis/writers, who have ranked Monroe higher than Lopez as a UFA

Lopez is a role player while we NEED OFF and upgrade for OFFENSIVE TALENT that could score in the post and facilitate, which Monroe has shown he can do effectively through out his career especially last season when Josh Smith went down

btw, we could actually sign Lopez on a very reasonable deal and still get Monroe had we not signed Affalo first

then with Cole Aldrich's early bird rights, we could have the FULL 6m MLE to utilize, opt to use the LLE aka Bi Annual exemption, which would actually improve our roster this year and for the future for future talents to consider New York

Biyombo a low IQ bball player, Jackson building a culture and team that is just not about slapping players onto a fantasy team.

RonRon, you keep slapping players together without thinking about whole team and both sides of the ball.

We need Monroe because we need offense? How about addressing the bigger picture and some of my points? Monroe can't defend the paint, is a poor PnR defender and it a worse fit with Melo on D. Address that type of poor team building.

Address the fact that you harp and moan about overpaying for Lopez and then are deadly silent while wanting to sign Monroe for a contract that he is absolutely not worth?

Scouts may rank Monroe higher than Lopez but who gives a ****, they aren't building a team and that's what's really going on here.

Also, Knicks were under cap so don't have MLE to use.

We also have the EARLY BIRD RIGHTS to Cole Aldrich, he is the link to the THE FULL MLE to go over the cap who has a vet min cap hold and doesn't have much interest as a 3rd tier Center that is still young in the league, which I have been saying ALL YEAR

I am thinking of the BIG PICTURE, getting talents that would allow TOP Tiers to consider us next year and the year after, at the least 2nd/3rd tier's will consider us like Wilson Chandler/Gallo/MoSoV etc
Phil Jackson is putting together a squad that is overpaid that limits us to attract FA's and limit us without TEAM OPTIONS on them to persue FA's next summer

LOL Biyombo and Greg Monroe gonna attract top tier talent next year?

Thanks for not addressing any of the point I repeatedly brought up. You just air balled.

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:OMG what a STEAL, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN PHIL after this summer

Why? He's not a smart player at all.

regardless, he is YOUNG, and improved a lot last season
He has the combination of mobility/length/strength/athleticism, and can improve, who already can REBOUND, BLOCK SHOTS, and score without plays called for him

Rather than using money on Derrick Williams 2year deal with a PLAYER OPTION

He has much more trade value than many of our players we signed at their deals

For anyone that thinks Biyombo should have made less, please look at our roster and the prices we paid for them...

With Koufus remaining, and other players that signed for less than Lopez like Brandon Wright/Ajinica/even ED Davis, though I would rather have Greg Monroe at a MAX than our roster

So you just want to slap players together? In another thread you are arguing about Phil not having a plan, adding a guy like Biyombo is exactly that.

Lopez is a legit starting C, those others guys you mention are not. It also paves way for Melo to the 4 Spot

NOT at that price, while we wanted to pay Greg Monroe (only 3m more to start, while Monroe is already a 2nd tier OFF talent that could prove to be BETTER) less, but are willing to overpay for Lopez...
And signing AFFALO first, ruined any chance we had to sign 2 impact players

Monroe is a second tier OFF talent? No ****ing way. Monroe IMHO is a duplication of Melo only not as good: good on offense but rest of lineup needs to compensate for his weaknesses on D and you can't have 2 of those in a starting lineup for a team that goes deep into playoffs.

Monroe >> Lopez

Lopez could be solid role player on a team that could defend/score with ALL STARS, we do not currently have such talent
While Monroe is much more skilled than Lopez, if we didn't want to overpay for Monroe that is fine, but overpaying for Lopez is a horrible move
A 4year deal on top of that with NO TEAM OPTION on final year while overpaying for his services when he can not match up vs SMALL BALL

Your agruements are getting worse and worse. You don't want to "overpay" for Lopez but seem to be ok with doing so for Monroe (he would not sign for anything less than max which is way overpaying for his output on a very god awful team), cause he certainly hasn't proven anything. And why do you bring up small ball cause Monroe would not fit with that either.

On top of that you still haven't explained to me how Melo and Monroe fit together and how the team makeup would need to be to make up for their lack of D.

Lopez is a rim protector, PnR defender and generally not deficient on either side of the ball. I like locking him into 4 years cause he doesn't really have a downside, fits next to Both KP or Melo at the 4 and assures the team for a center for a long time (it's one of the hardest positions to fill).

Biyombo could also play as the PF especially if he plays next to a stretch 5 *even better if it is one that could rebound and a versatile skill set, a position that KP could eventually play years down the road as he fills out his body and continues to expand his game, who can still grow

For KP, he should be getting stronger BUT with more REPS and SET that would be his body weight and NOT POWER LIFTING, which could limit his ability to grow
KP's strength is his mobility/length/athleticism/skill set/ and HIGH IQ to create mismatches, and NOT strength right now, while Durant/Ibaka and many other players have shown that strength doesn't need to come with muscles in the NBA

Also, he would be playing a lot vs 2nd unit players and could easily play anywhere from SF to Center because of it
Ajincia and Anthony Davis entered the league as skinny PF/C's yes he does need to get stronger but not at the cost of his mobility/athleticism/soft shooting touch/agility/ speed + quickeness that is his STRENGTH along with his LENGTH

Martin, you have your opinions, I have mine, if you think Lopez >>> than Monroe especially on that contract, then I would be wrong with EVERY OTHER SCOUT and analysis/writers, who have ranked Monroe higher than Lopez as a UFA

Lopez is a role player while we NEED OFF and upgrade for OFFENSIVE TALENT that could score in the post and facilitate, which Monroe has shown he can do effectively through out his career especially last season when Josh Smith went down

btw, we could actually sign Lopez on a very reasonable deal and still get Monroe had we not signed Affalo first

then with Cole Aldrich's early bird rights, we could have the FULL 6m MLE to utilize, opt to use the LLE aka Bi Annual exemption, which would actually improve our roster this year and for the future for future talents to consider New York

Biyombo a low IQ bball player, Jackson building a culture and team that is just not about slapping players onto a fantasy team.

RonRon, you keep slapping players together without thinking about whole team and both sides of the ball.

We need Monroe because we need offense? How about addressing the bigger picture and some of my points? Monroe can't defend the paint, is a poor PnR defender and it a worse fit with Melo on D. Address that type of poor team building.

Address the fact that you harp and moan about overpaying for Lopez and then are deadly silent while wanting to sign Monroe for a contract that he is absolutely not worth?

Scouts may rank Monroe higher than Lopez but who gives a ****, they aren't building a team and that's what's really going on here.

Also, Knicks were under cap so don't have MLE to use.

We also have the EARLY BIRD RIGHTS to Cole Aldrich, he is the link to the THE FULL MLE to go over the cap who has a vet min cap hold and doesn't have much interest as a 3rd tier Center that is still young in the league, which I have been saying ALL YEAR

I am thinking of the BIG PICTURE, getting talents that would allow TOP Tiers to consider us next year and the year after, at the least 2nd/3rd tier's will consider us like Wilson Chandler/Gallo/MoSoV etc
Phil Jackson is putting together a squad that is overpaid that limits us to attract FA's and limit us without TEAM OPTIONS on them to persue FA's next summer

LOL Biyombo and Greg Monroe gonna attract top tier talent next year?

Thanks for not addressing any of the point I repeatedly brought up. You just air balled.

Thank You for not answering ANY OF MY QUESTIONS and flipping my words
I said Biyombo would and some other moves are COST EFFICIENT players with limited risk, that ARE YOUNG and can still improve
Greg Monroe's contract is a 3year deal, no matter how you spin it he is better than ROLO, can still improve, is better than ANYONE we have and can likely target next season as well, and HOLDS more trade value than ROLO

So Derrick Williams and Affalo are attracting who?

If we are building for our future, we need cost efficient contracts of players that are young with the ability to improve, we HAVE NONE, a 30year old role player has no trade value
Derrick Williams at that price and a player option is overpaying while he holds leverage on us and our roster...

If you can not debate, please do not engage in a forum,
Instead flip my words, belittle me and others who has a different opinion than you, ask questions and I respond em, but you refuse to answer my questions, very classy...