Shump and JR had no value. That's the prior GM/Management's fault. Not his. The rest of ur points/criticisms are fair.

crzymdups wrote:And the kicker in all of this - he re-signed Melo to a huge five year max deal. And no other move he's made has supported or been in concert with that Melo move.

Why sign Melo if you're going to completely tear it down?

Phil thought they could win last year at first - that's the truly terrifying thing. He thought a starting front court of Samuel Dalembert and Andrea Bargnani could bridge the gap and get us to the playoffs. Then he rightly blew that up. But we screwed the draft position. Then, worse, he have completely completely punted on free agency.

Maybe we get Robin Lopez? Who is half the player Tyson Chandler is. Maybe we get David Lee for one year? Maybe?

SwishAndDish13 wrote:Carroll isn't that good and is injured. Certainly plenty of things to complain about but good chance there was no meeting bc they didn't ask or want one with him. He is a system player. Perhaps they didn't think he fit theirs?

Shump and JR had no value. That's the prior GM/Management's fault. Not his. The rest of ur points/criticisms are fair.

crzymdups wrote:And the kicker in all of this - he re-signed Melo to a huge five year max deal. And no other move he's made has supported or been in concert with that Melo move.

Why sign Melo if you're going to completely tear it down?

Phil thought they could win last year at first - that's the truly terrifying thing. He thought a starting front court of Samuel Dalembert and Andrea Bargnani could bridge the gap and get us to the playoffs. Then he rightly blew that up. But we screwed the draft position. Then, worse, he have completely completely punted on free agency.

Maybe we get Robin Lopez? Who is half the player Tyson Chandler is. Maybe we get David Lee for one year? Maybe?

Lopez is Tyson on a slightly higher usg and probably better rim protection.He is not the rebounder Tyson is though.

Phil did fine on draft night. He had the fourth pick, and picked the consensus guy with the best upside AND got a first-round pick for Tim Hardaway Jr. That's what he's supposed to do with that pick. Porzingis isn't going to sell because other players only watch prospects during the NCAA tournament, just like most of America. The saying in NBA analysis that "rookies don't ever make a positive impact on teams" and generally, that's true. All these guys are years ago, we just have to hope that KP becomes what we think he can become. New York just has to have the patience to let him develop, and we can do that now that there's no real pressure on the team to really win anything anytime soon.

What we've learned from free agency is that Carmelo Anthony doesn't draw established NBA talent to play with him. That's not really a big surprise to me or anyone who pays attention. Now that we know that, the Knicks can rebuild in a more realistic way. There's one more pick to surrender before the assets that were given up from a lot of the bad GMs are finished, and then the team can start building after that.

I got nothing for Monroe
Carroll? Do you really want to sign him to that ridiculous contract?
Players won't meet with us?How do you know?

crzymdups wrote:Melo took less this year so the Knicks could get free agents. Wonder how he's feeling right now?

I really wouldn't be surprised if he demanded a trade by training camp.

If he demands a trade, the Knicks should move him. That wouldn't be the worst thing in the world at this point.

I understand bringing him back to see if you can put talent around him, but the message with this free agency is pretty clearly that established talent isn't hitching its wagon to him.

TPercy wrote:Allow me to enlighten you with some positivity.
Tyson Chandler-He was probably going to leave anyway, but hey! we got Thanasis and Early ...
Iman Shumpert- We got a 2nd rounder for him, better than nothing. He was never going to be successful here and I highly doubt he would have resigned.
Drafted a player who is "several years away" Come on now, yes he can get stronger but he is very quick for his size, a great shooter, a good weak side defender, underrated in the post as well. He could very well be an ungaurdable player, but for now he needs to add some strength.
The rest of the league dosen't mock the triangle, in fact successful teams like the Spurs and GSW run really modfied versions of the triangle.

I got nothing for Monroe
Carroll? Do you really want to sign him to that ridiculous contract?
Players won't meet with us?How do you know?

Porzingis can be the saving grace. That's really our only hope here. At all.

I will root like heck for him to succeed.

But given Phil's other calls, I am skeptical.

Tyson was my favorite Knicks player in a long time. I would have rather told Melo to take a hike and retooled around Tyson. He's highly respected around the league. LMA may go to PHX just to play with him.