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The league is flat now. LA, NY, BOS don't matter to players; winning does
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crzymdups
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7/2/2015  11:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2015  11:56 AM
The Knicks and Lakers and Celtics are trying to sell the brand of their team to the players.

Players know they can build their own brand and that's far more important to them. Lebron can be the biggest player in the world in Cleveland. Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook have played their whole career in Oklahoma City.

We just lost the #1 realistic free agent we were chasing... to Milwaukee.

These guys don't *NEED* to come to NY or LA to become famous, they go to twitter.com and youtube.com to get famous. League Pass and the new TV deal means all the good players are on TV all the time, regardless of what media market it is.

But going by the Knicks campaign in 2010 to sign LeBron which was all about branding and marketing... and not winning. And then the Lakers presentations to LaMarcus and DeAndre which focused more on branding than winning... it turns these players off.

Players are their own brand now. They want to win basketball games. Players care about analytics, the roster, the facilities, the organization. Not the "Mecca" or "Garden of Dreams" stuff. I think you have seen the end of the era of any time NY or LA has money the big stars run there.

Dwight, Amar'e, Melo... you could argue these guys had their individual brand HURT by going to a high profile team that was a mess. I think players are leary of coming to NY and the Lakers at this point. They know it's a bad situation in both spots. And they can't be convinced that they need the "branding" power of Lakers or Knicks or whatever on the front of their jerseys.

Most of these guys are in their early 20s and probably never even saw Patrick Ewing play. For most of these guys when they were 15 years old playing AAU ball, the Knicks were a joke with Isiah and Marbs and Eddy Curry. The "Mecca" brand thing... I don't think it's gonna sway too many players anymore.

I hope the Knicks are awake to this. They have a lot of work to do before NBA players consider this place a legit destination.

Sorry, just thinking out loud.

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newyorknewyork
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7/2/2015  12:32 PM
Thats not what Phil has been doing according to reports. Phil has been strictly talking about basketball to FAs and doesn't seem to bother with brand. Phil only wants players that are interested in coming to the Knicks for basketball reasons which is why he offered Monroe a less then max offer. He wanted Greg to choose the Knicks for basketball reasons only and not due to branding or max money or star appeal.

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crzymdups
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7/2/2015  1:20 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Thats not what Phil has been doing according to reports. Phil has been strictly talking about basketball to FAs and doesn't seem to bother with brand. Phil only wants players that are interested in coming to the Knicks for basketball reasons which is why he offered Monroe a less then max offer. He wanted Greg to choose the Knicks for basketball reasons only and not due to branding or max money or star appeal.

Welcome to the new culture!!!

I think Phil is on the right path. This path would be a lot more appealing if we had our 2016 first rounder.

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7/2/2015  1:47 PM
It's always been the case- knick fans and laker fans have developed a sense of entitlement over the years, but the reality is we're not the centre of the ball universe and never really were. When was the last time a big FA came to ny as their first choice? Same with the lakers- who apart from Shaq went there in their prime. Fans think every player should want to come here and then throw a tantrum and demand the gm be fired when it doesn't happen. The reality is we are one of many teams and it all comes down to money and personal preference.
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7/2/2015  1:50 PM
smackeddog wrote:It's always been the case- knick fans and laker fans have developed a sense of entitlement over the years, but the reality is we're not the centre of the ball universe and never really were. When was the last time a big FA came to ny as their first choice? Same with the lakers- who apart from Shaq went there in their prime. Fans think every player should want to come here and then throw a tantrum and demand the gm be fired when it doesn't happen. The reality is we are one of many teams and it all comes down to money and personal preference.

It's a narrative the media used to sell because media types can't imagine not being in LA or NY. These players want to win. You lose in NY or LA and you get vilified as we saw with Marbury, Amare and Melo who were all much better thought of before coming here. Heck, even Ewing was crucified here and he WON - just could never beat Jordan.

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7/2/2015  1:53 PM
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The league is flat now. LA, NY, BOS don't matter to players; winning does

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