StarksEwing1 wrote:I was never a Shved fan to be honest. I do think he played a bit over his head in the small sample size he was here

I have no idea what you keep going on about with Shved. He did a great job as a Knick. He was simply playing smart basketball which he always had the ability to do. He was doing exactly what he was supposed to do in the offense. You obviously have no idea what his actual talent level is and why Phil brought him in to begin with. He could always play as he did, but wasn't put in good situations. Not making the offer doesn't mean he has no chance on coming back. It's merely a cap move. The Knicks have higher priority moves to make 1st and if after making those moves it makes sense to bring Shved back I suspect they will try to do that. This isn't about Shved not being a quality reserve for this team.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I was never a Shved fan to be honest. I do think he played a bit over his head in the small sample size he was here

I have no idea what you keep going on about with Shved. He did a great job as a Knick. He was simply playing smart basketball which he always had the ability to do. He was doing exactly what he was supposed to do in the offense. You obviously have no idea what his actual talent level is and why Phil brought him in to begin with. He could always play as he did, but wasn't put in good situations. Not making the offer doesn't mean he has no chance on coming back. It's merely a cap move. The Knicks have higher priority moves to make 1st and if after making those moves it makes sense to bring Shved back I suspect they will try to do that. This isn't about Shved not being a quality reserve for this team.

Nix, sorry, but you are wrong here. Yes, he did an OK job as a Knick, nothing more, which BY THE WAY was only 16 games. He shot 40% from the field, 37% from 3 with a TS% of .544. That is flat out average shooting. He averaged 4 rebounds and 3 assists, decent numbers for a guard, but nothing spectacular.

Now lets look at the rest of his career, which you will counter by saying he wasn't in a good situation. What's a good situation? He was a starter for a very long while in Minnesota. Nevertheless, he played 77 games in his rookie year and 66 games in his sophomore year in Minny. What was so terrible about that situation for him besides the team being bad? In year three he bounced from Philly to HOU to NY. He didnt get much time in any of those places besides his 16 games in NY.

Now, why should we discount his first 140 odd games, here you go: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/shvedal01.html#2013-2014-sum:totals

In short, Schved 29% from 3, 40% from 2, 35% OVERALL from the field! 35%! Not to mention his A T R O C I O U S defense. Or the 1 rebound and 1 assist he averaged in his sophomore season (thats THjr territory of badness). Nix, how do you explain these atrocious numbers. Why should we pay him for his 16 games as a Knick when we have a 140 game sample size of him playing horribly?

Im sorry, but Schved sucks. I dont give his hot streak, which wasnt even that great as a Knick, basically he shot like a league average player, any credence. At the league minimum, fine. Not a cent more.

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nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I was never a Shved fan to be honest. I do think he played a bit over his head in the small sample size he was here

I have no idea what you keep going on about with Shved. He did a great job as a Knick. He was simply playing smart basketball which he always had the ability to do. He was doing exactly what he was supposed to do in the offense. You obviously have no idea what his actual talent level is and why Phil brought him in to begin with. He could always play as he did, but wasn't put in good situations. Not making the offer doesn't mean he has no chance on coming back. It's merely a cap move. The Knicks have higher priority moves to make 1st and if after making those moves it makes sense to bring Shved back I suspect they will try to do that. This isn't about Shved not being a quality reserve for this team.

Nix, sorry, but you are wrong here. Yes, he did an OK job as a Knick, nothing more, which BY THE WAY was only 16 games. He shot 40% from the field, 37% from 3 with a TS% of .544. That is flat out average shooting. He averaged 4 rebounds and 3 assists, decent numbers for a guard, but nothing spectacular.

Now lets look at the rest of his career, which you will counter by saying he wasn't in a good situation. What's a good situation? He was a starter for a very long while in Minnesota. Nevertheless, he played 77 games in his rookie year and 66 games in his sophomore year in Minny. What was so terrible about that situation for him besides the team being bad? In year three he bounced from Philly to HOU to NY. He didnt get much time in any of those places besides his 16 games in NY.

Now, why should we discount his first 140 odd games, here you go: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/shvedal01.html#2013-2014-sum:totals

In short, Schved 29% from 3, 40% from 2, 35% OVERALL from the field! 35%! Not to mention his A T R O C I O U S defense. Or the 1 rebound and 1 assist he averaged in his sophomore season (thats THjr territory of badness). Nix, how do you explain these atrocious numbers. Why should we pay him for his 16 games as a Knick when we have a 140 game sample size of him playing horribly?

Im sorry, but Schved sucks. I dont give his hot streak, which wasnt even that great as a Knick, basically he shot like a league average player, any credence. At the league minimum, fine. Not a cent more.

If he is brought back it will be after we sign better players and he could come in at a reasonable cap number. No one is suggesting to overpay him. I believe he would be a solid reserve. His game fits this system well, which is why he was brought in, in the 1st place.

martin wrote:

kNYks342 wrote:I think everyone needs to calm down about shved. I read somewhere that if we decline their qualifying options, we retain their rights and when we sign them it won't count against the salary cap. As in we can go over the salary cap to resign them.

This. It's about creating a little more cap space and then going over it if they want Shved.

Makes sense but is Shved willing to wait to see 'if' we want him? The only way this works is for Shved to stay on standby where there's a guarantee made that we'll exceed the cap to bring him back i.e. handshake, done deal. Otherwise, why would the guy wait in limbo and pass up other offers?? I hope it's the former -- we tell him to standby and offer a guarantee to resign him after we do everything else we need to do. Good player--plus size (esp. when running the point), skilled and he handled NY well. That's big for me--some guys can't handle NY. A big part of what made Lin so special when he was here...Definitely would like to see him back. I guess it comes down to executing the best possibly strategy for us to bring him back. Hopefully Alexey's down with that.

nixluva wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I was never a Shved fan to be honest. I do think he played a bit over his head in the small sample size he was here

I have no idea what you keep going on about with Shved. He did a great job as a Knick. He was simply playing smart basketball which he always had the ability to do. He was doing exactly what he was supposed to do in the offense. You obviously have no idea what his actual talent level is and why Phil brought him in to begin with. He could always play as he did, but wasn't put in good situations. Not making the offer doesn't mean he has no chance on coming back. It's merely a cap move. The Knicks have higher priority moves to make 1st and if after making those moves it makes sense to bring Shved back I suspect they will try to do that. This isn't about Shved not being a quality reserve for this team.

Nix, sorry, but you are wrong here. Yes, he did an OK job as a Knick, nothing more, which BY THE WAY was only 16 games. He shot 40% from the field, 37% from 3 with a TS% of .544. That is flat out average shooting. He averaged 4 rebounds and 3 assists, decent numbers for a guard, but nothing spectacular.

Now lets look at the rest of his career, which you will counter by saying he wasn't in a good situation. What's a good situation? He was a starter for a very long while in Minnesota. Nevertheless, he played 77 games in his rookie year and 66 games in his sophomore year in Minny. What was so terrible about that situation for him besides the team being bad? In year three he bounced from Philly to HOU to NY. He didnt get much time in any of those places besides his 16 games in NY.

Now, why should we discount his first 140 odd games, here you go: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/shvedal01.html#2013-2014-sum:totals

In short, Schved 29% from 3, 40% from 2, 35% OVERALL from the field! 35%! Not to mention his A T R O C I O U S defense. Or the 1 rebound and 1 assist he averaged in his sophomore season (thats THjr territory of badness). Nix, how do you explain these atrocious numbers. Why should we pay him for his 16 games as a Knick when we have a 140 game sample size of him playing horribly?

Im sorry, but Schved sucks. I dont give his hot streak, which wasnt even that great as a Knick, basically he shot like a league average player, any credence. At the league minimum, fine. Not a cent more.

It's easy to use stats against Shved based on his limited NBA run and some bad situations. I would never use his performance over that time to try and defend him. What I will say is that he came in here and quickly adjusted to the role he was given and he demonstrated the actual talent level he has. Shved needed someone who believed in his talent to give him a legit shot. Just cuz he had poor performances in the past doesn't mean he can't improve and play up to his actual talent level. He came in cold turkey with no training camp and picked up the system and ran with it. Not many players could do that. It's a great fit for him.

If he is brought back it will be after we sign better players and he could come in at a reasonable cap number. No one is suggesting to overpay him. I believe he would be a solid reserve. His game fits this system well, which is why he was brought in, in the 1st place.

The problem is that he didn't prove anything during his stint with the Knicks. The point is ANYONE who has the skills to get a look in the NBA is capable of having a "hot streak" over 16 games. Especially when the "hot streak" was basically Schved performing at league average efficiency. You cannot prove anything in 16 games. When deciding what to use to judge him the 140 games he played prior is more of an example of his "actual talent level".

And again, what the "bad" situation was he in his first two seasons he played with the Wolves? What was so bad about it besides the team not being good? Pekovic, Love, etc had no problems playing decently. Why was it different for Schved? He was a starter in Minny for long periods of those seasons.

Nix: Were just never going to see eye to eye on this. You seem to not tolerate any dissension with the view that Schved magically became a good player on the Knicks after 16 games. Im just saying he is a bad shooting guard who at best is a 11th or 12th man on a NBA roster. And even then, needs to seriously work on his shooting because he's never been a good one.

newyorker4ever wrote:

TPercy wrote:For me, if he dosen't sign Shved back and he signs Afflalo, that is an F-

You sure do like to over react about things don't you??