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SwishAndDish13
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6/30/2015  9:07 AM
I only saw one person bring it up in relation to DeAndre Jordan, but couldn't a some players looking to maximize earnings look to sign 2 year deals with a 1st year opt out? If Adridge, Jordan, etc were interested in signing in LA or NY, isn't this almost necessary? Especially for a player like Jordan with no injury history? For Adridge, he'd be leaving more money on the table than anybody has before if he were to go to LA given that they will be paying him less and he will be paying substantially more in taxes than he did in Portland.
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6/30/2015  9:12 AM
one year deals would be perfect for Knicks... open up the check book next offseason
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6/30/2015  9:49 AM
It is a win for everybody unless ur a player who may not command top dollar in a deeper FA class. Players interested in this could really help the Knicks round out the roster.
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6/30/2015  10:28 AM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:It is a win for everybody unless ur a player who may not command top dollar in a deeper FA class. Players interested in this could really help the Knicks round out the roster.

I think this is the only way to tempt DeAndre Jordan to the Knicks. If he signs a one and one here and opts out next summer and re-signs with the Knicks, I believe he could sign a 5yr ~$130M deal. Which is an INSANE amount of money. But if the Knicks want DeAndre - they put that on the table, IMHO

Lebron opened people's eyes to this - in some ways it is taking a gamble, but in other ways, it gives you a LOT more leverage as a player to move if you are unhappy or to make sure the team caters to you more.

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6/30/2015  11:03 AM
crzymdups wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:It is a win for everybody unless ur a player who may not command top dollar in a deeper FA class. Players interested in this could really help the Knicks round out the roster.

I think this is the only way to tempt DeAndre Jordan to the Knicks. If he signs a one and one here and opts out next summer and re-signs with the Knicks, I believe he could sign a 5yr ~$130M deal. Which is an INSANE amount of money. But if the Knicks want DeAndre - they put that on the table, IMHO

Lebron opened people's eyes to this - in some ways it is taking a gamble, but in other ways, it gives you a LOT more leverage as a player to move if you are unhappy or to make sure the team caters to you more.

I agree with this 100%. It is an insane amount of money, but the "taking less days" are well behind the league. Players are back to looking for the max money they can make in most instances, which you can't fault them for.

I personally think they are heading towards a crazy lockout, but if we could get a few good players by presenting opportunities to pay them more, I would be all for it. It is the only way to truly balance the playing field for us.

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6/30/2015  11:15 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:one year deals would be perfect for Knicks... open up the check book next offseason

Perfect for the Knicks would be locking up young players into long-term deals before salaries explode.
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6/30/2015  11:22 AM
Broussard just said on espn that D.Jordan is gonna take a 3 year deal with someone. He didn't say but I would think there would be a player opt out after one or two years so he can get more money.
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6/30/2015  11:24 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:Broussard just said on espn that D.Jordan is gonna take a 3 year deal with someone. He didn't say but I would think there would be a player opt out after one or two years so he can get more money.

Can you have a player option after year 1 of a 3 year deal?

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6/30/2015  11:27 AM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Broussard just said on espn that D.Jordan is gonna take a 3 year deal with someone. He didn't say but I would think there would be a player opt out after one or two years so he can get more money.

Can you have a player option after year 1 of a 3 year deal?

You can only opt out before the final year of the deal. So a three year deal could have an opt out after two.

That's the smartest move in some ways - the cap is set to go up to $108M in 2017... 35% of that cap would be a $36M year one salary!!! Of course... the league is headed towards a lockout in 2017, so I think a lot of guys will try to lock in a long-term deal in 2016 with the $89M cap.

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6/30/2015  11:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2015  12:31 PM
Make a VERY STRONG PITCH Jordan, an offer he can not refuse
It would be the closest to the OTHER JORDAN and PHil Jackson than this, though Kobe could be in the play NEXT year, *if he wants to compete for a LOW salary/ vet min contract*
Though I don't know if he would find it "humiliating" as his "STATUS" is very important along with Kobe's EGO, though it is still A LOT OF MONEY and with the dedication/time he put in the rehabilitating TWICE, I think he will want to continue to play, though do not think Lakers want him for the future to allow the young guys to develop, while we would probably need more talents to expand our knowledge in the system..


IMO, the 1 and 1 is NOT for him, but other players, though he can do it, going through FA again, without security is very stressful, especially for a BIG like him that plays so hard
However, our incentive should be 3years + 1 player option, along with the likelyhood of retiring in New York, with 2-3 more extensions, and LIFE AFTER BASKETBALL that we will help transition along with MARKET HIM in New York

thing with this problem is that next years FA class is going to be wayyyy better
that means teams will get the BEST POSSIBLE FA's, probably even asking these players to take less in order to add more talent
Players wants stability, especially when they are not the TOP TIER ONES like Lebron James/Durant/Westbrook/James Harden etc
Most of this years FA class are worth A MAX this year and NOT EVERYONE is worth a MAX contract next year
Especially for a team like New York, who has a lot of holes to fill along with quality bench upgrades
right now it looks as it will be a 2year process to finish our STARTING LINEUP alone, with maybe a 6/7th man


Honesty, with Jordan being a HUGE FAN of BATMAN, we should blow him away with a Gotham view, and what we think of him and what we can be *highest upside of course but make it realistic at the same time*
However, we wouldn't be asking him to play DEFENSE himself, we would be targeting talents that could FIT WITH HIM and that he would elevate


Jordan is barely older than Greg Monroe and he would solve majority of our defensive issues, as we can easily surround him with talents talent like defensive talents that we wouldn't break the bank for like Corey Joseph, Wesley Johnson, Aminu/Thanasis, Brandon Wright or Koufous/Ovidijus Galdikas/KP and Thabeet, McGee, Larry Sanders, maybe Blatche to learn under him, especially his workout regime
Ask for his input on players he would like to target as well and what kind of players compliments him, with CA, Jordan, Phil Jackson, Fisher, and MSG/DOlan be part of his process
That we will look to contend immediately with him, possibly for some trades on players under contract as well, let him feel a part of this franchise, the day he signs, is the day he becomes part of this new regime and turn everything around, having input on our roster


If he would prefer stretch 4's, *believed he also played with Byron Mullons for a bit*, ask him on INPUT of his thoughts of a lot players he has worked/played/practiced with...
If Greg Monroe would be a player that he would like to play with, as we have deals "even if we do not" to be able to sign both Greg Monroe and Jordan, in addition to the 6m MLE *by resigning Cole Aldrich or Acey *not 100% as we didn't put the qualifing offer on him*, both of whom we have early bird rights/bird rights to and have LOW cap holds
Along with that Euro from Twolves at PF, SF, maybe even some SG, along with "other possible deals already on the table"


Point out how he has improved consistently EVERY SEASON and want him for his leadership/work ethic and to take KP who would be able to play with him and provide great floor spacing, shot blocking/rebounds, that other teams will not have for the next 12years of his DJ's career, feeling he will bring back toughness to New York and ability to mentor young guys throughout his entire career till he retires here

We feel know he contributes in many ways on TOP OF TOP TIER DEFENSE/DPOY and will have other talents that could also play down low, and be using more PnR's than in the past because of his ability to finish and the great screens he sets to free PG's and other talents with his mobilitiy/athleticism/strength ability to finish
He really worked on his shooting form last season and think he will improve much with the dedication he has...


Clippers didn't fully utilize Jordan's full potential on both OFFENSE and DEFENSE
Especially for DEFENSE, with Jordan they should be THE TOP DEFENSIVE TEAM but they didn't surround him DEFENSIVE players that we will, along with a 7footer that has great length and versatility, that spread the floor, but IS LOOKING TO PLAY INSIDE ON DEFENSE and OFFENSE as well, in an interchangeable OFFENSE that would be ideal like Pau Gasol *KP*, Shaq and Bynum *Jordan*
We feel he could do many things that Blake Griffen can do as he showed when Griffen was out last season and we were very impressed and felt they should have utilized him much more and didn't....
Noticing Blake GRIFFEN RARELY posted up and allow you to CUT, while with 2 BIGS with that combination of strength/athleticism was under utilized but NOT in our system....

Along with CA and other talents we could acquire, ask for his input if he think Greg Monroe or Dwayne Wade?
For OFFENSE we totally look to utilize him much more and keep him engaged throughout the entire game, as EVERYONE touches the ball...
He will get the opportunity to exploit the opponents DEFENSE with his physical abilities and work ethic to improve his OFF Game, along with deep post position with the talents that we have to support him...

Why join the Mav's, at Dirk's age, and KP's HIGH CEILING that could play outside for OFFENSE and pull the PF out, along with CA, whoever we sign to play with him
Unlike other teams, we have no problem with spending money, including his future contracts, that could be 2-3 extensions, as he isn't just a stop gap Center, but we want him to retire here
We are STARVING for a player of his caliber and we have no problem paying him great money, though we would prefer him to take JUST SLIGHTLY less this year, while we will make it back up to him in future contracts/other area's to make money
Along with prior backups and this years backups, like Edoh *who didn't PT but could be a player under the radar as Jordan would know in practices and how much work he puts in to his game*
Along with Glen Davis/Turkeglu/Jamal Crawford, and those backup G's, along with previous Clippers, or even from College/prior experiences...


Unlike Mark Cuban, who was unwilling to pay Tyson Chandler and the core that helped them win when he was under 30, we are a TEAM that DOES NOT MIND PAYING TALENT like him and others and we have contracts that prove it
And we should be looking at our other possible competitors as I have gave reasons here on what Clippers and Mav's could be a bad choice/fit for him and his future
While we play a system that is for the POST and for BIGS, along with OFF REBOUNDING position
Playing in East would make a HUGE DIFFERENCE for ALL STAR and play offs/Finals appearance as well, as he would be the #1 Center in New York with Brook Lopez's injured foot being the only threat
While not facing DMC, LA and Duncan, Westbrook/Durant, James Harden/D12, and the stacked WESTERN

We have to impress him on how we can play multiple different ways of basketball as well with different lineups/targets of Euro's to space the floor to allow him to get 1v1 opportunities down low, along with getting Development Coaches to work on his game that has had much success already in addition to trainers

Finally we should ask for his input on who to target for trainers/development coaches, along with players that he feels would work, especially past players that he has played with like
Jared Cunningham, Matt Barnes *that could be available at some point that Memphis could ship out
Memphis has been rumored to having interest in Joe Johnson or another scorer and could use Matt Barnes *only 1.2m or so guaranteed after a date*/Ridnour *unguranteed*/Vince Carter/Udrih along with Jeff Green, to save Nets some money as they look to get younger


We should use Dolan/CA for the recruiting process as well, who has BIG POCKETS and will pay/do whatever it takes to build/keep a contending roster
Along with NEXT YEAR's FA and THE YEAR AFTER, we have had 100m + payroll teams that SUCKED during Isiah/Layden years, with Phil Jackson we are confident we will be the favorites in The East for many years upcoming, while we will be play off contenders NEXT YEAR and ANYTHING can happen once we get in
Life after basketball, we will be grooming him for a job of his choice *development coach/scout or assistant coach*, along with business opportunities with Dolan's connections and actually owning a channel to help build a brand to generate more money in endorsements/businesss' etc..


Winning in New York isn't comparable to ANYWHERE else, as we have world wide fans everywhere, using Jeremy Lin as a gauge, possibly using Shved, in addition to Grant, and maybe even Lin, who was able to make Tyson Chandler and Jared Jeffries look like ALL STAR's, where Jordan is much more talents/mobile/athletic and strong
He will instantly become a FAN FAVORITE in MSG and your DUNKS and DEFENSE, and toughness/intimidation/rebounding/shot blocking/ability to draw fouls, will get him DPOY and in the ALL STAR GAME
With the trainers/development coaches, we have "whoever" to work with you, and bring in Bill Russell who has much respect in the league, and pay him to validate that Jordan is the only player out of all these years he has watched basketball, that is very comparable to him, with insane DEFENSE/ability to lock down all 5 positions and provide help DEFENSE, and his that combination of STRENGTH/ATHLETICISM/LENGTH, WORK ETHIC/HUSTLE/HIGH UNDERSTANDING OF THE GAME that elevates every other's defense and make up their weakness's


Eventually we do not want him playing 38-40 minutes a game EVERY GAME, and will be allowed to rest much more, as we expect blowouts, so he can rest early like GS did with depth and blow outs, having a huge effect during the play offs, unlike Clippers who have limited ability to improve roster, that they need a backup PG, a starting SF/backup SF, along with backup Center and PF/C


We are fully committed to building not 1 ring but for the entire roster for many seasons, we would be able to compete next year in the play offs, and be favorites by year 2 with "Durant or whoever"


Finally, Jordan has full leverage on Clippers and we can first say we will sign him, but eventually look for a low ball sign and trade with 150% rule
Hopefully trading some contracts to shed some salary/roster spots to give Clippers some assets as well and 1year stop gap talents, they need to fill some holes...

1- *if Shved can not agree to a lower deal in the range of 2-3m or so, see if Clippers have interest in him in a sign and trade, however, have him as a positive asset* along with Larkin/ Calderon *negative asset*


2- Cole Aldrich *if we lose both him and Acey think we lose MLE though/Acey/Travis Wear and Early *as they need a SF*, possibly Ricky Ledo *depending if we see a future with him *I think he is closer to a undersized SF than SG though..


3- Future 1st rounder (protected) and 150% rule, if they do not take Calderon, I would take back some picks including Net's 2nd rounder next year and have it finalized LATER so we can use our cap room first but agreed upon first of course as a DONE DEAL, of course it would be some 3year deals with some being partial guarantee for first year and unguaranteed for other years, as majority of these guys will not be in demand and would be cut right away, outside of probably Cole ALdrich because he fills a need and Svhed/Larkin??? depending on price and interest by both I guess and Early/Ledo *low contract*


4- AB with first year guaranteed as a STOP GAP PF/C who also traded away Spencer Hawes as he struggled in his role, and unguaranteed after
Playing next to CP3 and Blake Griffen would be ideal for AB...

Repeat the STRONGEST POINTS for him to consider New York and what makes it ideal for him along with his career in the NBA and LIFE AFTER BASKETBALL...
Playing in an OFFENSE that is best for him, the team, and for his career, along with Phil Jackson's guidance and recent SCOUTS, he should be impressed
With KP a LEGIT 7 footer that will be able to HELP HIM if he HELPS the team and gets out of position, an area that Dirk *at his age* and Blake Griffen *doesn't like contact* and would just JUMP for the REBOUND
Where KP has toughness and compliments our OFFENSE with Jordan's DEFENSE and OFFENSE, that will be "HIS ROOK"
Getting POST players/development coaches to elevate his game, possibly bringing in Bynum as a development coach for his familiarity in the system for a Dominant force as Jordan

I hope he takes slightly less, in the range of 500k - 1m, as we will allow him to retire in New York and make up any money in discounts he make, with a promise from Dolan/Phil Jackson that we will NOT trade him
Especially if he would prefer to acquire a talent such as Wade/Greg Monroe....
Money isn't EVERYTHING, though do not bring this up first, we will find other ways to make up that money for sure, however, by allowing us to have more money to the roster with much talent to win TITLES
As he is YOUNG and see 2-3 extensions till he retires and also has a guaranteed higher paying job than most, that we will prepare him for while he is still in New York to be a development/assistant coach or another title first, and even allow him to have a vacation for 1 season before working if he wished....


The discounts he would be taking would be made up to him one way or another, as we will be looking for a HOUSE for him and his family, and we see a future that will reward him like NO OTHER FRANCHISE
Along with the fans support for a Center of his ability/energy to make MSG ROAR once again!

By next year, with the addition of Jordan, and success this year to show with our young guys and improvements with DEFENSE with him, we are confident we can lure even more talents next season as he will be part of our recruiting process with input on our roster with PHil Jackson...

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