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fishmike
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6/27/2015  11:40 AM
I knew everything I needed to know about Grant before this draft. ND gets a lot of air time and he had an excellent tourney. Funny, I didn't know his uncle was Horace but I can overlook that

I didn't have him on my draft radar at all. #4 was obviously too high. I couldn't envision a sellable trade down scenario (turns out Mudiay was choice #1). I also thought he would be too high to buy/trade a pick for. I think the top 10 was about right, and I figured Grant would get picked up in that 10-14 range. Its really kind of a sweet spot in many drafts. The "high ceiling" guys get scooped up in the top ten and often overlooked are older more seasoned players who rather than "high ceiling" will just have to be comfortable with "damn good ball players."

Seeing Grant slide wasn't surprising... draft is always funny like that. I remember the Jameer Nelson drama, but I think Grant is a hell of a lot better than Nelson. I think the Bobby Jackson comparison is bang on. Look... you are going to live with some suspect shots at times, and he's a high caliber athlete with a lot of confidence so he's going to need to temper some of that. But man I think NY is going love this guy and what he brings. I def see him and Jose starting right away with both guys playing a mix of off and on the ball. Grant's huge for a PG, and has acceptable size for a SG. That might be his better defensive matchup because he's very strong and physical, but he's a solid dude and gives some of that up in later quickness. I wouldn't call it a weakness, but just not his strength.

From
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jerian-grant

NBA Comparison: Reggie Jackson/Bobby Jackson
Strengths: A familiar face for those who follow college basketball, Jerian Grant is a high level athlete for an NBA guard with explosive hops, strength, quick reflexes, and nice lateral speed ... From an athletic, size standpoint alone, Grant screams NBA translation ... At 6’5’’, and a mature 205 pounds, he possesses excellent size for an NBA point guard, and if you peg him into an off guard he still has good positional size ... Jerian’s athletic ability and length allowed him to finish at a truly elite clip for an NCAA guard ... He made 73.1% of his shots at the rim as a senior ... Grant also has developed into a player who takes extremely good care of the ball, while setting up his teammates at a high level ... His 6.7 assists per game as a senior (7th in the nation), were met with just 2.2 turnovers per game, which was good for a 3.04 assist/to ratio ... Grant is also a strong shooter, both off the dribble, and spotting up ... He hits FT’s at a good clip (78%) ... His ball handling allows him to create space for himself, and he’s a very savvy 1 on 1 player, who has showed improved shot selection as he’s progressed as a player ... From a defensive standpoint, he looks to be a player who can translate to the next level ... He’s capable defending on the ball, and he’s also good in the passing lanes, which allowed him to finish 6th in the ACC in steals per game ... He also is good challenging the shots of smaller guards, and even in the NBA his length will prove an asset when getting a hand up on NBA sized guards ... Grant has also shown the ability to step up in big games ... He looked amazing in Notre Dame’s run in the ACC tournament, and followed it up with a solid NCAA tournament

Weaknesses: While a polished and athletic guard, the first thing that comes up with a player like Jerian is how much left does he have to improve ... He’ll turn 23 before his first NBA game, and although I feel he’s not done developing, some may feel he lacks the ceiling of a younger player ... Grant also got off to a hot start his junior year from beyond the arc before sitting out the second half of the season for academic reasons ... Despite an early .408% clip, he regressed as a senior, and shot a pretty unimpressive .316% from downtown ... Although Grant has good shooting ability, many of these shots were not quality shots, often coming off the dribble ... He needs to adjust both his long range shot selection, and just gain more deep reps when looking towards the next level ... He is also viewed as a combo guard of sorts, which isn’t a huge deal because of his positional size, if he is indeed a point guard, then he’s huge, but if he’s an off guard with some point skills, he doesn’t have that same advantage and intrigue ... Improving upon the ability to set up others in the pick and roll will be important to his future ...

Overall: Jerian Grant could help just about any team from day 1, he’s a smart, well rounded player with highlight-reel hops (ask Tadrick Jackson), and NBA level skills at the point ... His development in college leads me to believe he still has some room for growth, and his athletic ability and size is top notch ... Today you’d like your guards to be a little better shooting from distance, but with some reps paired with getting used to his role in the NBA game, that could be something Grant could develop ... Despite his age Grant is most definitely a first round talent, and could be a real sleeper if teams underestimate what he can do, in favor of focusing on the year he was born ...

Notes: Son of former NBA player Harvey Grant, nephew of former NBA player Horace Grant, and brother of Philadelphia 76er Jerami Grant. 1st Team All-ACC 2014-15, 1st Team All-American 2014-15

That writeup was posted 4/22/15

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6/27/2015  11:59 AM
Reggie Jackson downside
James Harden/D-Wade upside.
The Future is Bright!
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6/27/2015  12:50 PM
One thing I love about this pick for this team is look at the types of pull up jumpers he gets after penetration - he'll often penetrate, make a few reads and either get an assist or pull up for a jumper. This is exactly what he'll get in the Triangle. He shoots 57% on 2pt shots, which is huge for the Triangle.

I think he can absolutely be the starter on day 1. I could see him starting next to Calderon or Galloway. I sort of love the defensive potential of the Galloway / Grant lineup, but Calderon / Grant could be better to start the game and get the team into its offense.

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6/27/2015  12:58 PM
This was a fantastic pick up for the Knicks. Potential is there.

Now lets see if he is able to perform at this level.

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6/27/2015  1:01 PM
crzymdups wrote:One thing I love about this pick for this team is look at the types of pull up jumpers he gets after penetration - he'll often penetrate, make a few reads and either get an assist or pull up for a jumper. This is exactly what he'll get in the Triangle. He shoots 57% on 2pt shots, which is huge for the Triangle.

I think he can absolutely be the starter on day 1. I could see him starting next to Calderon or Galloway. I sort of love the defensive potential of the Galloway / Grant lineup, but Calderon / Grant could be better to start the game and get the team into its offense.

Also Grant is a great finisher. He scored at 73% at the rim. This is something Phil was really unhappy about with our guards last year.

Grant also excelled around the rim (he made 73.1 percent of his shots at the rim last season) and getting to the free throw line (5.9 free throws per game over the last two years) at Notre Dame. These, too, were areas in which the Knicks struggled last year.
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6/27/2015  1:13 PM
Found this through Knicks blog...

More notably, in his senior seasons -- mind you in the ACC conference now -- Grant put up a Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 25.5 while averaging 16.5 points (on an Effective Field Goal Percentage of 53.6%) and 6.7 assists (accounting for 33.6% of his team's assists while on the floor) per game. His unique combination of scoring ability and passing vision allowed Grant to finish second in the nation with 706 Points Produced. That's offensive production for ya.
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6/27/2015  1:21 PM
fishmike wrote:I knew everything I needed to know about Grant before this draft. ND gets a lot of air time and he had an excellent tourney. Funny, I didn't know his uncle was Horace but I can overlook that

I didn't have him on my draft radar at all. #4 was obviously too high. I couldn't envision a sellable trade down scenario (turns out Mudiay was choice #1). I also thought he would be too high to buy/trade a pick for. I think the top 10 was about right, and I figured Grant would get picked up in that 10-14 range. Its really kind of a sweet spot in many drafts. The "high ceiling" guys get scooped up in the top ten and often overlooked are older more seasoned players who rather than "high ceiling" will just have to be comfortable with "damn good ball players."

Seeing Grant slide wasn't surprising... draft is always funny like that. I remember the Jameer Nelson drama, but I think Grant is a hell of a lot better than Nelson. I think the Bobby Jackson comparison is bang on. Look... you are going to live with some suspect shots at times, and he's a high caliber athlete with a lot of confidence so he's going to need to temper some of that. But man I think NY is going love this guy and what he brings. I def see him and Jose starting right away with both guys playing a mix of off and on the ball. Grant's huge for a PG, and has acceptable size for a SG. That might be his better defensive matchup because he's very strong and physical, but he's a solid dude and gives some of that up in later quickness. I wouldn't call it a weakness, but just not his strength.

From
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jerian-grant

NBA Comparison: Reggie Jackson/Bobby Jackson
Strengths: A familiar face for those who follow college basketball, Jerian Grant is a high level athlete for an NBA guard with explosive hops, strength, quick reflexes, and nice lateral speed ... From an athletic, size standpoint alone, Grant screams NBA translation ... At 6’5’’, and a mature 205 pounds, he possesses excellent size for an NBA point guard, and if you peg him into an off guard he still has good positional size ... Jerian’s athletic ability and length allowed him to finish at a truly elite clip for an NCAA guard ... He made 73.1% of his shots at the rim as a senior ... Grant also has developed into a player who takes extremely good care of the ball, while setting up his teammates at a high level ... His 6.7 assists per game as a senior (7th in the nation), were met with just 2.2 turnovers per game, which was good for a 3.04 assist/to ratio ... Grant is also a strong shooter, both off the dribble, and spotting up ... He hits FT’s at a good clip (78%) ... His ball handling allows him to create space for himself, and he’s a very savvy 1 on 1 player, who has showed improved shot selection as he’s progressed as a player ... From a defensive standpoint, he looks to be a player who can translate to the next level ... He’s capable defending on the ball, and he’s also good in the passing lanes, which allowed him to finish 6th in the ACC in steals per game ... He also is good challenging the shots of smaller guards, and even in the NBA his length will prove an asset when getting a hand up on NBA sized guards ... Grant has also shown the ability to step up in big games ... He looked amazing in Notre Dame’s run in the ACC tournament, and followed it up with a solid NCAA tournament

Weaknesses: While a polished and athletic guard, the first thing that comes up with a player like Jerian is how much left does he have to improve ... He’ll turn 23 before his first NBA game, and although I feel he’s not done developing, some may feel he lacks the ceiling of a younger player ... Grant also got off to a hot start his junior year from beyond the arc before sitting out the second half of the season for academic reasons ... Despite an early .408% clip, he regressed as a senior, and shot a pretty unimpressive .316% from downtown ... Although Grant has good shooting ability, many of these shots were not quality shots, often coming off the dribble ... He needs to adjust both his long range shot selection, and just gain more deep reps when looking towards the next level ... He is also viewed as a combo guard of sorts, which isn’t a huge deal because of his positional size, if he is indeed a point guard, then he’s huge, but if he’s an off guard with some point skills, he doesn’t have that same advantage and intrigue ... Improving upon the ability to set up others in the pick and roll will be important to his future ...

Overall: Jerian Grant could help just about any team from day 1, he’s a smart, well rounded player with highlight-reel hops (ask Tadrick Jackson), and NBA level skills at the point ... His development in college leads me to believe he still has some room for growth, and his athletic ability and size is top notch ... Today you’d like your guards to be a little better shooting from distance, but with some reps paired with getting used to his role in the NBA game, that could be something Grant could develop ... Despite his age Grant is most definitely a first round talent, and could be a real sleeper if teams underestimate what he can do, in favor of focusing on the year he was born ...

Notes: Son of former NBA player Harvey Grant, nephew of former NBA player Horace Grant, and brother of Philadelphia 76er Jerami Grant. 1st Team All-ACC 2014-15, 1st Team All-American 2014-15

That writeup was posted 4/22/15

Cheers :)

Beaming with Briggy like pride over your discovery! Funny, I had this kid on my draft board 11 years ago when he was 12 and I saw him at an AAU pizza awards ceremony and his handle on his slice fold told me he would be special!

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6/27/2015  1:27 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Found this through Knicks blog...

More notably, in his senior seasons -- mind you in the ACC conference now -- Grant put up a Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 25.5 while averaging 16.5 points (on an Effective Field Goal Percentage of 53.6%) and 6.7 assists (accounting for 33.6% of his team's assists while on the floor) per game. His unique combination of scoring ability and passing vision allowed Grant to finish second in the nation with 706 Points Produced. That's offensive production for ya.

Why did he fall to 19? He seems like a steal

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6/27/2015  1:33 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Found this through Knicks blog...

More notably, in his senior seasons -- mind you in the ACC conference now -- Grant put up a Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 25.5 while averaging 16.5 points (on an Effective Field Goal Percentage of 53.6%) and 6.7 assists (accounting for 33.6% of his team's assists while on the floor) per game. His unique combination of scoring ability and passing vision allowed Grant to finish second in the nation with 706 Points Produced. That's offensive production for ya.

Why did he fall to 19? He seems like a steal

I have no idea, would be interested in finding out myself.

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6/27/2015  1:35 PM
After the first 15 picks it gets quirky. Not sure he was ever destined to be top 10 and given that he is soooo old (23) perhaps its thought that some players hit their ceiling by that age. Not sure he was a "Steal" as it takes 3-5 years to really do some serious hindsight grading. This kid is able to play right away and is mature physically.
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6/27/2015  1:37 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Found this through Knicks blog...

More notably, in his senior seasons -- mind you in the ACC conference now -- Grant put up a Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 25.5 while averaging 16.5 points (on an Effective Field Goal Percentage of 53.6%) and 6.7 assists (accounting for 33.6% of his team's assists while on the floor) per game. His unique combination of scoring ability and passing vision allowed Grant to finish second in the nation with 706 Points Produced. That's offensive production for ya.

Why did he fall to 19? He seems like a steal

Most seniors fall a bit in the draft because scouts are in love with the potential and "ceiling" of freshman and underclassman. Staying all four years is looked down upon because it makes people wonder why you weren't good enough to leave early....With that said, we got a steal...

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6/27/2015  1:44 PM
crzymdups wrote:One thing I love about this pick for this team is look at the types of pull up jumpers he gets after penetration - he'll often penetrate, make a few reads and either get an assist or pull up for a jumper. This is exactly what he'll get in the Triangle. He shoots 57% on 2pt shots, which is huge for the Triangle.

I think he can absolutely be the starter on day 1. I could see him starting next to Calderon or Galloway. I sort of love the defensive potential of the Galloway / Grant lineup, but Calderon / Grant could be better to start the game and get the team into its offense.

He hits that pull up jumper like water. If we could snag caroll in FA, thats a solid defensive backcourt that can also score, create, and very unselfish.

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6/27/2015  1:47 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Found this through Knicks blog...

More notably, in his senior seasons -- mind you in the ACC conference now -- Grant put up a Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 25.5 while averaging 16.5 points (on an Effective Field Goal Percentage of 53.6%) and 6.7 assists (accounting for 33.6% of his team's assists while on the floor) per game. His unique combination of scoring ability and passing vision allowed Grant to finish second in the nation with 706 Points Produced. That's offensive production for ya.

Why did he fall to 19? He seems like a steal

because he is quote unquote older which is a silly reason to not draft someone. He is still a young guy. The good news is that he is more likely to contribute quicker even if his ceiling isnt mudiay
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6/27/2015  1:47 PM
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Found this through Knicks blog...

More notably, in his senior seasons -- mind you in the ACC conference now -- Grant put up a Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 25.5 while averaging 16.5 points (on an Effective Field Goal Percentage of 53.6%) and 6.7 assists (accounting for 33.6% of his team's assists while on the floor) per game. His unique combination of scoring ability and passing vision allowed Grant to finish second in the nation with 706 Points Produced. That's offensive production for ya.

Why did he fall to 19? He seems like a steal

Most seniors fall a bit in the draft because scouts are in love with the potential and "ceiling" of freshman and underclassman. Staying all four years is looked down upon because it makes people wonder why you weren't good enough to leave early....With that said, we got a steal...


That's a reasonable point. There are guys in the NBA in their 3rd or even 4th year who are about his age.
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6/27/2015  1:52 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Found this through Knicks blog...

More notably, in his senior seasons -- mind you in the ACC conference now -- Grant put up a Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 25.5 while averaging 16.5 points (on an Effective Field Goal Percentage of 53.6%) and 6.7 assists (accounting for 33.6% of his team's assists while on the floor) per game. His unique combination of scoring ability and passing vision allowed Grant to finish second in the nation with 706 Points Produced. That's offensive production for ya.

Why did he fall to 19? He seems like a steal

I have no idea, would be interested in finding out myself.

age is the biggest reason.

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6/27/2015  1:55 PM
Cartman718 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Found this through Knicks blog...

More notably, in his senior seasons -- mind you in the ACC conference now -- Grant put up a Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 25.5 while averaging 16.5 points (on an Effective Field Goal Percentage of 53.6%) and 6.7 assists (accounting for 33.6% of his team's assists while on the floor) per game. His unique combination of scoring ability and passing vision allowed Grant to finish second in the nation with 706 Points Produced. That's offensive production for ya.

Why did he fall to 19? He seems like a steal

I have no idea, would be interested in finding out myself.

age is the biggest reason.

I can see that as a factor but 19 is a pretty steep drop. Cant believe we got this good a prospect for THJ.

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6/27/2015  2:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/27/2015  2:01 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Found this through Knicks blog...

More notably, in his senior seasons -- mind you in the ACC conference now -- Grant put up a Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 25.5 while averaging 16.5 points (on an Effective Field Goal Percentage of 53.6%) and 6.7 assists (accounting for 33.6% of his team's assists while on the floor) per game. His unique combination of scoring ability and passing vision allowed Grant to finish second in the nation with 706 Points Produced. That's offensive production for ya.

Why did he fall to 19? He seems like a steal

I have no idea, would be interested in finding out myself.

age is the biggest reason.

I can see that as a factor but 19 is a pretty steep drop. Cant believe we got this good a prospect for THJ.

if you look at it from atlantas point of view they probably feel they can help hardaway more and a change of scenery helps. Also they are win now team so trading picks is not as risky in their minds. With that said i love the trade for us
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