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WaltLongmire
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6/27/2015  7:21 AM

Probably not as much draft day drama or big decision making as some of us thought. "Prior" is somewhat vague, but my own feeling is that Phil made the promise after the aborted workout, or shortly after consulting about it with his draft team.

I expect that Jackson simply told Kristaps that if you're still there at #4, we will take you.

The 3 people Phil said he was targeting were obviously Russell, OK4, and Porzingis, and he was going to take whichever one of them fell to 4. He knew one of them had to be there, so he might have made the same promise to Russell. Not sure if he ever spoke to OK4.

This would also mean to me that in the days shortly before the draft he was never really considering the usual suspects: Mudiay, Winslow, Stein, and later on, Hezonja.

I think when Kristaps called the Knicks a "great organization" (Clearly showing a lack of knowledge about the team's recent history) and told an interviewer that how Jackson would use him in the Triangle was a private matter, he clearly knew that he might very well be a Knick in the near future.

Seems that the draft drama might have been created in our heads and in our threads... but the reality is that Phil was probably playing with us, or we were simply unable to read between his lines.

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6/27/2015  7:28 AM
And Phil said if any of the players chosen ahead of us would have fallen, he would have tried to trad back. I get the feeling he would have traded back 1 or 2 spots if he knew he could take Porzingis and pick up another asset in exchange. Hard to imagine him trading Okafor or Russell as they both fit the triangle extremely well (minus Okafor's lack of defense.) Is interesting here...

This is a bit like the Gallo pick - great talent that few other teams knew anything about. Too bad injuries sideline a all star career imo. I hope Porzingis stays healthy and we get to see what he can be.

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6/27/2015  7:57 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:And Phil said if any of the players chosen ahead of us would have fallen, he would have tried to trad back. I get the feeling he would have traded back 1 or 2 spots if he knew he could take Porzingis and pick up another asset in exchange. Hard to imagine him trading Okafor or Russell as they both fit the triangle extremely well (minus Okafor's lack of defense.) Is interesting here...

This is a bit like the Gallo pick - great talent that few other teams knew anything about. Too bad injuries sideline a all star career imo. I hope Porzingis stays healthy and we get to see what he can be.


Nah... he and Hezonja were both well know overseas talent. Remember, Porzingis had pulled out of last year's draft. I think its a lot different than it once was regarding foreign players. Hard for somebody to remain hidden for too long these days.

I'm going on the theory that Orlando would have taken him at 5.

I expect that Porzingis was 4th on our board after he worked out for us- just a matter of what LA and Philly would do, and you have to figure he knew from his girlfriend that LA would take Russell or OK4.

It was all up the the Sixers, and after Embiid's bad injury report, Hinkie decided to take a guy similar to Embiid, even though he had scouted Porzingis before.

We might very well have gotten OK4 if Embiid had not had his medical setback.

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6/27/2015  8:06 AM
Phil did say this pick was going to surprise a lot of people. And Mills said they were going to make the best basketball decisions regardless of what pressure or scrutiny from the media.
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6/27/2015  11:08 AM
Listening to Givony podcast. Said Hinkie was in Seville 10 times to watch Kristaps this year.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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6/27/2015  11:19 AM
I'm very excited about the potential of KP. Even when I was pulling for WCS I realized that there was higher potential with KP, but also risk. I think in our case this could work out better than I thought. For one thing I was thinking about other slim young players similar to KP and the one guy that I think is a very good comp is Giannis Antetokounmpo. Giannis is 6-11 217 lbs. He came in at 19 as well and IMO wasn't the shooter that KP is already. In fact I don't think he has the same level of overall skills as KP. I do think it provides hope for how KP can contribute even as a skinny guy early in his career.

The one thing that can keep a player in the league is having NBA skills and KP has that. He will get pushed around a little but not so much in Mid Range and 3pt Range. He can also slash to the basket and stay in motion in this offense. I wouldn't expect him to be posting up a lot early on. Let him run the floor and find the open spaces in this offense. Let him get PnR dunks and dump offs. Just being tall and athletic KP should be able to get some easy buckets.

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6/27/2015  11:20 AM
tj23 wrote:Phil did say this pick was going to surprise a lot of people. And Mills said they were going to make the best basketball decisions regardless of what pressure or scrutiny from the media.
both guys lived up to those statements.

We really accomplished a lot with this draft. Getting a true blue chip prospect with cornerstone potential, and a guard who can help us right away.

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6/27/2015  12:04 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Listening to Givony podcast. Said Hinkie was in Seville 10 times to watch Kristaps this year.

Means the Embiid injury might have been the deciding factor in his choice. Unless you had a trade down partner, I have to wonder if you take OK4 if Embiid is healthy, since they are similar in many ways.

He was also trying to buy out Saric's contract until shortly before the draft.


I think Hinkie was devastated that Russell was not there- I hear the crap about how he and Morey downplay the importance of PGs, and I really wonder what is going on there- but you have to think they were desperate for him to fall, and I had heard that Philly was possibly going to trade up to get Russell.

Went on to the RealGM Philly site- looked at one thread, and all I remember is that it seemed every other comment was about acquiring "assets." Seems like they've all been brainwashed.

Feel real bad for OK4- he was supposedly a Laker fan, and like Porzingis, I think he refused to work out for Philly, but I wonder about the folks he was training with pre-draft. Can I assume that they were the type of guys Porzingis and Turner trained with, or the Kentucky kids, who all came in physically stronger for their workouts, with fine-tuned BB skills, from what I could see?

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