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StarksEwing1
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6/26/2015  9:51 AM
I know he is mostly a 4 but with his shooting ability and quickness for a big guy he can probably play a 3 especially since melo seems better at the 4. Óbviously he cant play center until he bulks up a bit
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6/26/2015  11:44 AM
right now he will have a hard time playing any position.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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6/26/2015  11:45 AM
mreinman wrote:right now he will have a hard time playing any position.

why do you say this?

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6/26/2015  11:48 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:right now he will have a hard time playing any position.

why do you say this?

not fast enough to guard the 3 and his legs are so damn weak right now that we will get pushed around like a rag doll by PF's and C's.

Check out the game footage on him how badly he gets pushed around and how often he gets knocked to the floor just trying to box out.

He needs to get much much much stronger. When/if he does he has a very dangerous tool set and may be unguardable.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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6/26/2015  11:49 AM
He can play right now. It's not a physical league anymore so he should be able to contribute right away. He can play sf/pf and c.
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6/26/2015  11:55 AM
I think he's played some 3, but you would not want him doing it too much in the NBA, but who knows?

He does need to have a few go to moves in the post to punish smaller players on mismatches.

I saw him guarding a lot of smaller players in his Euro games. Not sure you want him running after people, though. Always amazed me when you had Gallo running after 3's.

Charles Smith (sorry for mentioning his name) did it with the Ewing Knicks, but you seem to expend too much energy chasing guys for a full game.


With just a little more weight and strength, his size alone will allow him to compete against NBA bigs down low.

How many guys actually have post-up games in this league anyway?

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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6/26/2015  12:03 PM
Vmart wrote:He can play right now. It's not a physical league anymore so he should be able to contribute right away. He can play sf/pf and c.

Agree with this, which is why I am warming up to the idea of the pick although it is very risky. He can survive at the 4 playing some SF and mostly PF since the regular season isn't physical at all anymore. I disagree with the Center idea. Even with the league the way it is, he is really undersized and would get abused unless he was at "Center" to match another teams small lineup.

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6/26/2015  12:05 PM
I think he's a four now but will eventually be a five.

I think Monroe is something of a 4/5. Not sure what his best spot would be.

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6/26/2015  12:15 PM
I see the 4 position for him right now. If he bulks up another 10-20 lbs. he could play some 5 too.

One thing I know for sure--I want the kid in the rotation and playing right out of the gate. No DNPs, no D-League... I don't care if he starts right away but he's gotta be a main rotation player--let him get a feel for it and start developing right away. He might be a little light right now but his skills are definitely for real. He definitely should be able to help us right away in some capacity...Needs to be a big man off the bench going 20 mins a game or so right away with a chance of increased mins and responsibility once he really starts responding (and who really knows here--could be a lot sooner than everyone's saying).

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6/26/2015  12:16 PM
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:right now he will have a hard time playing any position.

why do you say this?

not fast enough to guard the 3 and his legs are so damn weak right now that we will get pushed around like a rag doll by PF's and C's.

Check out the game footage on him how badly he gets pushed around and how often he gets knocked to the floor just trying to box out.

He needs to get much much much stronger. When/if he does he has a very dangerous tool set and may be unguardable.

He does need to get stronger but I am pretty sure a lot of 19 y/o would get pushed around.

I think his athletic ability will allow him to play right away on the weak side of the triangle in the 2 man game. He can be Mason Plumlee with a few jump shots and post touches while he develops. Defensively, he will struggle but I am used to Amar'e, Bargs, and Jah I think I can stomach a kid as he matures. lol

Hey, Chris Bosh was a twig too so you never know.

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6/26/2015  12:19 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:right now he will have a hard time playing any position.

why do you say this?

not fast enough to guard the 3 and his legs are so damn weak right now that we will get pushed around like a rag doll by PF's and C's.

Check out the game footage on him how badly he gets pushed around and how often he gets knocked to the floor just trying to box out.

He needs to get much much much stronger. When/if he does he has a very dangerous tool set and may be unguardable.

He does need to get stronger but I am pretty sure a lot of 19 y/o would get pushed around.

I think his athletic ability will allow him to play right away on the weak side of the triangle in the 2 man game. He can be Mason Plumlee with a few jump shots and post touches while he develops. Defensively, he will struggle but I am used to Amar'e, Bargs, and Jah I think I can stomach a kid as he matures. lol

Hey, Chris Bosh was a twig too so you never know.

I agree that its ok for a 19 y/o to have to get stronger. He will get PT especially if we dump the stupid win now with melo insanity.

He also may give up many offensive boards. He really needs a strong rebounding team on the floor to hide this weakness.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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6/26/2015  12:23 PM
Bosh is still slender. KD, KG, Giannis etc. There are a lot of players that aren't heavy. He's gonna be a SF or stretch 4 most likely. He can do that until he matures into his body.
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6/26/2015  12:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2015  12:33 PM
crzymdups wrote:I think he's a four now but will eventually be a five.

I think Monroe is something of a 4/5. Not sure what his best spot would be.

My free agency targets still haven't changed:

Resign Shved
Sign Greg Monroe
Sign Alexis Ajinca
Sign Lavoy Allen

I have a bunch of secondary guys I'd love to see us add on the cheap but these continue to be my 4 main FA targets--hopefully we can get that done for the $26-28mm or whatever we have to spend. Very much interested in Love and Aldridge but would they come for $15mm a season? Probably not...Really getting used to the idea of adding Monroe--really warming up to having his size, youth, post-scoring and rebounding and at a much better price than these other premier bigs out there...I want no part of David West at all. Makes absolutely no sense. No, thanks!!

Hope we can also exceed the cap to resign Shved. Thought I remember someone saying we'll be able to do that--sign all our FAs then be able to exceed the cap to bring Shved back at either his QO or whatever number they can agree upon...Can anyone verify if that's so?

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6/26/2015  12:32 PM
A hybrid Kevin mchale with 3 point augmentation. I'd like to stay away from the kd stuff he's to tall to be a 3 don't want him to get hurt . A simple game learn the triangle commit to 4-5 quality go to moves awareness of finding cutters and open shooters and go to work. Keep it simple stay away from injuries don't tax his body at 19 and commit 15-18 minutes off the bench to start. Watch film on gasoline and mchale not kd or kg. if he learns the post I could see him as a 25-12-3 player as he will have a shot than is not blockable
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6/26/2015  12:34 PM
BRIGGS wrote:A hybrid Kevin mchale with 3 point augmentation. I'd like to stay away from the kd stuff he's to tall to be a 3 don't want him to get hurt . A simple game learn the triangle commit to 4-5 quality go to moves awareness of finding cutters and open shooters and go to work. Keep it simple stay away from injuries don't tax his body at 19 and commit 15-18 minutes off the bench to start. Watch film on gasoline and mchale not kd or kg. if he learns the post I could see him as a 25-12-3 player as he will have a shot than is not blockable

damn!

another 25-12-3 guy ... lol

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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6/26/2015  12:34 PM
Finestrg wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I think he's a four now but will eventually be a five.

I think Monroe is something of a 4/5. Not sure what his best spot would be.

My free agency targets still haven't changed:

Resign Shved
Sign Greg Monroe
Sign Alexis Ajinca
Sign Lavoy Allen

I have a bunch of secondary guys I'd love to see us add on the cheap but these continue to be my 4 main FA targets--hopefully we can get that done for the $26-28mm or whatever we have to spend. Very much interested in Love and Aldridge but would they come for $15mm a season? Probably not...Really getting used to the idea of adding Monroe--really warming up to having his size, youth, post-scoring and rebounding and at a much better price than these other premier bigs out there...I want no part of David West at all. Makes absolutely no sense. No, thanks!!

Hope we can also exceed the cap to resign Shved. Thought I remember someone saying we'll be able to do that--sign all our FAs then be able to exceed the cap to bring Shved back at either his QO or whatever number they can agree upon...Can anyone verify if that's so?

I think w kris I'd like to go after koufus

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6/26/2015  1:06 PM
kris is 7ft 2 or maybe more with shoes... no way he is gonna be anything other than a center... he's not kg athletic and he'll probably have more issues guarding 4s than 5s...

he can't handle the ball well enough for a 3... he'll have to just grow into the 5...

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6/26/2015  4:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2015  4:30 PM
KP right now actually weighs more than Anthony Davis did when he came he was drafted
It takes time and Anthony Davis worked very hard after his first season as a ROOKIE, and by his 2nd/3rd year he is now being praised as the BEST PLAYER TO BUILD AROUND A FRANCHISE with, and will be the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD when Lebron declines a bit, as AD will only get better


Not saying he will be AD, but regardless of who we take, it takes time to develop skills and he has the skills that will translate if he works and puts the time in to it
KP is 7-2 and could still grow and already has great mobility, athleticism, length, shooting stroke, and that we took the BPA
Playing in New York is though and I think we all know that with the media and all, he wants to be here, and has a high work ethic/ceiling, so lets just see where how he develops in a couple of years

Vuvevic did NOTHING his rookie year, most ROOKIES contribute right away, especially when coming off the worse record in the entire league
But by year 2, Vucevic showed why Briggs was high on him and Briggs even said he is unlikely to contribute by year 2 or 3 at latest...
Durant or Westbrook, didn't even dominate when they were ROOKIES


Mudiay is the other player that has a high ceiling as well, and many other posters here didn't want him either, while some did, including me


Regardless at the age of 19, the players available were all going to need 1-3years before they can contribute and must go through growing pains
Some need to develop more and some can contribute more right away, however, NONE of them were going to take us to next level in one summer anyway


KP wants to get better, has work ethic, has basketball genes in him, and does not just camp outside the 3pt line like Bargnani
AB doesn't have a very good 3pt shot either, mainly using pump fakes to drive if defended

Darko viewed himself as an ALL STAR and supposingly didn't work very hard to develop his game, lacked toughness, though he did have a lot of skill/size/athleticism at his age


I personally think Darko could have been a decent role player and actually wanted him the same year he played a bit with Boston for the vet min/unguaranteed
Paul Pierce praised him and said himself that he is highly intelligent and skilled
In the end, he asked to be released so he could go home and be with his sick mother at the time

Like Sprewell, he felt he was constantly getting low balled with vet min deal and little opportunity to play a decent role, while he felt he was much more talented than that and teams were BSing him around


Pau Gasol entered the league very skinny and he has become a double double machine with great versatiltiy, was known as SOFT, and despite his age, lead the ENTIRE league in DOUBLE DOUBLES last season

Dirk entered the league very skinny as well, though I think Dirk was much more talented at the time than KP, but KP also has a LEGIT 3pt shot already, and is very mobile with a handle as well

KG and Durant, as well
AK47
Anthony Davis was 6-10/11 and 220pds when drafted

I think KP will have to work and develop his body and game, however, he has skills/strengths as ALL OF THE ABOVE
He has great mobility to go with LENGTH/athleticim to go with his size, so he be a good help defender like AK47 was but just much taller and more size/athletic/length

Which he reach his ceiling? We don't know, but we should get the development coaches and trainers to players that have success to go with his work ethic, and just give him time
He likely will be a PF but as could play Center vs smaller Centers just like Draymond Green/Triston THompson

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6/26/2015  4:28 PM
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:A hybrid Kevin mchale with 3 point augmentation. I'd like to stay away from the kd stuff he's to tall to be a 3 don't want him to get hurt . A simple game learn the triangle commit to 4-5 quality go to moves awareness of finding cutters and open shooters and go to work. Keep it simple stay away from injuries don't tax his body at 19 and commit 15-18 minutes off the bench to start. Watch film on gasoline and mchale not kd or kg. if he learns the post I could see him as a 25-12-3 player as he will have a shot than is not blockable

damn!

another 25-12-3 guy ... lol

It's not often you have a draft with four guys who will one day put up 25/12/3... but this draft had Towns, Okafor, Kaminsky and Porzingis who all went on to reset the record books for bigmen in the NBA, trailing only the 35/17/6 that Enes Kanter put up every night.

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