He turned down 12mm dollars that 12mm I mean WTF could we possibly pay him and why would we pay that particular guy so much at this point? Are we going to give a guy who will be 35+ before next season 45-55mm?

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:I don't understand..We just picked a kid that won't be ready for 3 to 4 years..DWest is old and wants lots of money..How does this make sense..What is the plan?

Don't the Knicks have 26 mil in cap space. Pretty sure a bunch of other teams picked guys that aren't ready yet tonight but will be active in free agency. The only guy in the draft definitely ready to help now was Okafor. I have never heard speculation that guys won't sign with a team because they drafted a 19 year old. Also, Zwerling reported West wanted to play for the Knicks. Maybe it is based on Melo, Phil, Fish or cap space despite the presence of a teen on the roster.

Minny is rebuilding Crush, so Towns is perfect..Sixers are rebuilding..What's our plan??..I don't know just like u don't know..Phil will amend it three more times before the season..

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:I don't understand..We just picked a kid that won't be ready for 3 to 4 years..DWest is old and wants lots of money..How does this make sense..What is the plan?

Don't the Knicks have 26 mil in cap space. Pretty sure a bunch of other teams picked guys that aren't ready yet tonight but will be active in free agency. The only guy in the draft definitely ready to help now was Okafor. I have never heard speculation that guys won't sign with a team because they drafted a 19 year old. Also, Zwerling reported West wanted to play for the Knicks. Maybe it is based on Melo, Phil, Fish or cap space despite the presence of a teen on the roster.

Minny is rebuilding Crush, so Towns is perfect..Sixers are rebuilding..What's our plan??..I don't know just like u don't know..Phil will amend it three more times before the season..

The plan is simple. Draft for later. Use FA to build the team that is gonna win now.

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:I don't understand..We just picked a kid that won't be ready for 3 to 4 years..DWest is old and wants lots of money..How does this make sense..What is the plan?

Don't the Knicks have 26 mil in cap space. Pretty sure a bunch of other teams picked guys that aren't ready yet tonight but will be active in free agency. The only guy in the draft definitely ready to help now was Okafor. I have never heard speculation that guys won't sign with a team because they drafted a 19 year old. Also, Zwerling reported West wanted to play for the Knicks. Maybe it is based on Melo, Phil, Fish or cap space despite the presence of a teen on the roster.

Why would we want to spend over 12mm per on a 35 year old player not named Duncan where we are? Id rather have David Lee and his one year contract if this is the case. Id ask GS for 2 first rd picks.

I doubt he gets 12 mil. He is looking for probably a 3-4 yr deal probably at about 8-10 mil a yr. He opted out for more long term insurance. He didn't want to play out his final yr at 12 and then end up getting hurt and falling off. Understandable to opt out while healthy and have some value to get more long term insurance.

FistOfOakley wrote:he turned it down to get a multiyear deal that he may or may not get next year...

i honestly think it's sort of the 'try to win next year' while teaching porzingis the ropes that's more reminiscent of 90s rosterbuilding...

but hey.. if it makes porzingis an allstar... what we give west is not gonna matter too much....

i'm hoping west is not planning to start here...

This is the only thing that would make since if they want to bring in Monroe too. A 4 yr/$30m contract would be pretty good on both sides though. I believe that contract would start at $6.84m this summer and would increase by 4.5% every year. While a long contract puts a strain on the cap the Cap going up next summer makes it more palatable.

Now for West going down from 12.5 to 7.3m seems huge but he will be getting $17.5m extra and I doubt he would get that next year even after the cap goes up. He'd likely get mmle type money. I think I would even be okay with a 4yr/$32m contract would be okay if it started at $7.3m.

I am not sure of the knicks cap space since they added Kris and Grant. I think Grant will make more than Hardaway JR plus the knicks will have the same open cap holds so I think the Knicks would have $18m - 19m left to play around with if they can get West to take at most $7.3m. Any contract starting less than that would be ideal though. A 4yr/$26m (6.5m per) would be my dream if they are dead set on taking West though.

BRIGGS wrote:I guess we go on to free agency---what in gracious names would we want a 35 year old guy who is on the downward path?

He turned down 12mm dollars that 12mm I mean WTF could we possibly pay him and why would we pay that particular guy so much at this point? Are we going to give a guy who will be 35+ before next season 45-55mm?

Its the Knicks in FA, everyone gets tied to us and no one signs. West at the MLE for 2 years I could live with, but West at 3 years 40-50 million is terrible.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:I don't understand..We just picked a kid that won't be ready for 3 to 4 years..DWest is old and wants lots of money..How does this make sense..What is the plan?

Don't the Knicks have 26 mil in cap space. Pretty sure a bunch of other teams picked guys that aren't ready yet tonight but will be active in free agency. The only guy in the draft definitely ready to help now was Okafor. I have never heard speculation that guys won't sign with a team because they drafted a 19 year old. Also, Zwerling reported West wanted to play for the Knicks. Maybe it is based on Melo, Phil, Fish or cap space despite the presence of a teen on the roster.

Minny is rebuilding Crush, so Towns is perfect..Sixers are rebuilding..What's our plan??..I don't know just like u don't know..Phil will amend it three more times before the season..

The plan is simple. Draft for later. Use FA to build the team that is gonna win now.

A 17 win team that dedicates half its resources to winning now is not going to win anything meaningful now. I'm hoping we trade Melo, get rid of Calderon, and fully rebuild.
I like what Phil did a lot last night if you look at it in a vacuum. But I agree with Holfresh that the larger picture is currently incoherent.

So was there a pick at 4 that would have made the larger picture more coherent to you? Is Winslow who numerous teams passed up would have made it more clear. FA is where the picture becomes more or less clear. I personally would still want to go young while trying to win now.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:I don't understand..We just picked a kid that won't be ready for 3 to 4 years..DWest is old and wants lots of money..How does this make sense..What is the plan?

Don't the Knicks have 26 mil in cap space. Pretty sure a bunch of other teams picked guys that aren't ready yet tonight but will be active in free agency. The only guy in the draft definitely ready to help now was Okafor. I have never heard speculation that guys won't sign with a team because they drafted a 19 year old. Also, Zwerling reported West wanted to play for the Knicks. Maybe it is based on Melo, Phil, Fish or cap space despite the presence of a teen on the roster.

Minny is rebuilding Crush, so Towns is perfect..Sixers are rebuilding..What's our plan??..I don't know just like u don't know..Phil will amend it three more times before the season..

The plan is simple. Draft for later. Use FA to build the team that is gonna win now.

A 17 win team that dedicates half its resources to winning now is not going to win anything meaningful now. I'm hoping we trade Melo, get rid of Calderon, and fully rebuild.
I like what Phil did a lot last night if you look at it in a vacuum. But I agree with Holfresh that the larger picture is currently incoherent.

So was there a pick at 4 that would have made the larger picture more coherent to you? Is Winslow who numerous teams passed up would have made it more clear. FA is where the picture becomes more or less clear. I personally would still want to go young while trying to win now.

If the goal is to win now, there are about a dozen scenarios (drafting more established players at 4 or trading for established players) that would make more sense than drafting Porzingis. I don't want winning now to be the goal - I'm just pointing out the internal inconsistency in Phil's decisions. If he trades Melo and signs FAs who will work for the long-term, it resolves the inconsistency. I didn't say the picture will be forever unclear. If he continues to try to partly turn a 17 win team into a win-now team and partly rebuild, then we're screwed.

There was who? I thought the questions marks beyond the top 4 was huge. Even Winslow have major flaws and is not a instant top contributor. Isola made a great point using Wiggins as an example of how much/quickly a 19 y/o will contribute. Wiggins kind of sucked last year but you dismiss it because he is a rookie. Is Winslow on Wiggins level?

I just don't see how the pick changed the picture one way or another.