Fish can be encouraged by how Kerr adapted the offense and tweaked things to work with his team's players. Of course he has Phil hand picking the roster so that as time goes by they will add the missing components to the roster that they need. It makes the process of building this team much clearer since Phil knows what kind of players he needs to make this all work.

We can expect a low post big to be added because that is a core aspect of how you can make the system work at it's best. You can expect that another big who can also post but who can score from anywhere on the floor is another role in this system. Wings with size and ability to shoot, pass at a high level or drive. It all begins on Thursday.

2) 99.9 percent of the player cannot create their own shot

TripleThreat, you are basing this on what?

For the record, you DO need players who can create their own shot because that's what sparks the triangle in the first place. The Bulls and Lakers would have gone nowhere without Jordan and then Shaq and Kobe and later on, Gasol.

Allanfan20 wrote:

2) 99.9 percent of the player cannot create their own shot

TripleThreat, you are basing this on what?

For the record, you DO need players who can create their own shot because that's what sparks the triangle in the first place. The Bulls and Lakers would have gone nowhere without Jordan and then Shaq and Kobe and later on, Gasol.

yeah I'm not sure about that 99.9% it's so much ISO in the NBA it's not even funny.

In terms of the argument that the Triangle isn't efficient enough for today's NBA, i've posted the comps before and it doesn't really hold water.

Warriors 2014-15 Off Rtg: 111.6 (2nd of 30)
Lakers   2010-11 Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30)
Lakers   2009-10 Off Rtg: 108.8 (11th of 30) 
Lakers   2008-09 Off Rtg: 112.8 (3rd of 30)
Lakers   2007-08 Off Rtg: 113.0 (3rd of 30)

Some of you will be old enough to remember Clyde backing down an opponent and get off that short fall away jumper, or Reed operating in the post. Monroe also had the ISO stuff in his toolkit, even though he gave up much of it with the better Knicks teams. Most of the other guys on the team were not given many 1/1 opportunities, but those Knicks' teams always had a few guys who could play this way- same is true for Phil's teams in LA and Chicago.

My understanding of the Triangle is that you need guys who will create space for themselves or make pass worthy cuts to the basket, and if things are going great, your dribbling is minimal.

We actually saw games where our offense looked nice last year.

I just don't see why you can incorporate more 3 pt shooting into the Triangle, and I believe that if Jackson and Fisher see that the team is playing the right way, they will begin to incorporate more 3s as long as they fit into the flow of the offense.

Solace wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:You always need a player or two who can do the ISO thing when necessary. Phil knows this from coaching and from when he played on the Knicks.

Some of you will be old enough to remember Clyde backing down an opponent and get off that short fall away jumper, or Reed operating in the post. Monroe also had the ISO stuff in his toolkit, even though he gave up much of it with the better Knicks teams. Most of the other guys on the team were not given many 1/1 opportunities, but those Knicks' teams always had a few guys who could play this way- same is true for Phil's teams in LA and Chicago.

My understanding of the Triangle is that you need guys who will create space for themselves or make pass worthy cuts to the basket, and if things are going great, your dribbling is minimal.

We actually saw games where our offense looked nice last year.

I just don't see why you can incorporate more 3 pt shooting into the Triangle, and I believe that if Jackson and Fisher see that the team is playing the right way, they will begin to incorporate more 3s as long as they fit into the flow of the offense.

I think the quote was taken out of context. Phil's teams always had great three point shooters. Steve Kerr was one of the best three point shooters in NBA history. I think he recognizes the value.

The Triangle isn't anti 3pt shot. It's clearly been part of what they do in the past with Phil's teams. It's just not the primary focus but it is part of the offense. Still people underestimate how efficient the offense has been which is why I posted the Offensive Rating stats which show that it was an efficient offense. It may not be the MOST efficient offense but it's Title Tested which is very important. It provides a consistency from game to game and year to year. It doesn't matter if one game or one year you don't get great 3pt shooting cuz it's not predicated on that.