Here are examples of screen and rolls where Big 2 Big passes can be made just by one big remaining in motion and presenting himself for the pass.

Again just having your bigs remain in motion and getting a little guard penetration can create easy looks close to the basket, while not being stagnant and allowing the D to take away the play at the basket.

No amazing offensive skills needed in order to be effective in an offense like this. It's getting penetration with size simply by moving your bigs and drawing attention with a feint drive to open up the pass to the big. This allows you to play with 2 Bigs and still get plays at the basket outside of strict post up looks. A player like WCS or KrisP could have a role, outside of just jumpers, even if they aren't rugged bangers in the post.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:To be fair it helps when you have jordan kobe and shaq

Yes but that's not why those plays worked. Watch the videos again and you will see that it's the constant movement and players looking for each other that makes the plays work. Bigs have to know how to move to the open spaces and present themselves for the pass. The passing big is waiting for players to move into his sight lines and that's how the offense works.

Teams will have to respect the bigs posting close to the basket and guards moving towards the basket. The slight distractions are enough to open up lanes for players to present themselves for the pass and get easy scores. Having 2 bigs can work better than many think when you have this kind of approach where it's not just standing around watching all the time.

Big 2 Big PnR

mreinman wrote:as long as the triangle still highlights the 20 footer, I wan't know part of it.

I've pointed this out before but you really have to be aware that the Lakers had some very efficient offenses just 3-5 years before Phil took the Knicks job.

Warriors 2014-15 Off Rtg: 111.6 (2nd of 30)
Lakers   2010-11 Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30)
Lakers   2009-10 Off Rtg: 108.8 (11th of 30) 
Lakers   2008-09 Off Rtg: 112.8 (3rd of 30)
Lakers   2007-08 Off Rtg: 113.0 (3rd of 30)

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:as long as the triangle still highlights the 20 footer, I wan't know part of it.

I've pointed this out before but you really have to be aware that the Lakers had some very efficient offenses just 3-5 years before Phil took the Knicks job.

Warriors 2014-15 Off Rtg: 111.6 (2nd of 30)
Lakers   2010-11 Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30)
Lakers   2009-10 Off Rtg: 108.8 (11th of 30) 
Lakers   2008-09 Off Rtg: 112.8 (3rd of 30)
Lakers   2007-08 Off Rtg: 113.0 (3rd of 30)

they had some extremely efficient players.

That's the point isn't it??? The style of offense they played had a part in the process as well. If it was a bad offense it should've hampered their efficiency. The clearly were a very efficient team and the Triangle proved to be an efficient offense. It's not just about taking 3's or long 2's. There's more to the game and more to the Triangle offense than mid range shots.

You think Phil isn't aware of the fact that his teams played efficiently and had efficient players? The idea is to build a team that has the talent to play efficient and smart basketball and can defend at a high level. If he is successful in adding more efficient and smart two way players you'll see the team execute the offense at a higher level and take fewer bad shots.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:as long as the triangle still highlights the 20 footer, I wan't know part of it.

I've pointed this out before but you really have to be aware that the Lakers had some very efficient offenses just 3-5 years before Phil took the Knicks job.

Warriors 2014-15 Off Rtg: 111.6 (2nd of 30)
Lakers   2010-11 Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30)
Lakers   2009-10 Off Rtg: 108.8 (11th of 30) 
Lakers   2008-09 Off Rtg: 112.8 (3rd of 30)
Lakers   2007-08 Off Rtg: 113.0 (3rd of 30)

they had some extremely efficient players.

That's the point isn't it??? The style of offense they played had a part in the process as well. If it was a bad offense it should've hampered their efficiency. The clearly were a very efficient team and the Triangle proved to be an efficient offense. It's not just about taking 3's or long 2's. There's more to the game and more to the Triangle offense than mid range shots.

You think Phil isn't aware of the fact that his teams played efficiently and had efficient players? The idea is to build a team that has the talent to play efficient and smart basketball and can defend at a high level. If he is successful in adding more efficient and smart two way players you'll see the team execute the offense at a higher level and take fewer bad shots.

did the triangle make shaq an efficient player? Or was he a damn giant who could not really be stopped?

nixluva wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:In the interview Phil mentioned that the Bulls hit for an NBA record in 3's in the playoffs in one series...might have said the finals.

He highlighted the idea that the offense is one which is intended to reward a player's effort to create an open shot for himself.

I would also expect that a good post scorer, or someone who can penetrate would be able to open things up for 3 point shots.

I think he probably goes crazy watching THJ or JR, when with the Knicks, jack up 3s without making any effort to move the ball around.

Don't here folks making many criticism of SA, and they feature a great deal of movement- and there are some aspects of the triangle in it. The big thing is that they have some guys who can open up things by driving, and the threat of a guy like Duncan in the post.

If you have the right personnel, as was said above, there is no reason why this offense can't fit in today.

My biggest issue is Anthony's fit.

One of the reasons Russell is an intriguing player for me, and I've said this in another post, is that he might be the only guy in the draft who would butt heads with Anthony on offense(at least I hope he would) if Phil and Fisher can win him over to their view on offense.

Melo isn't the issue just as Kobe and Jordan were resistant to the confines of the Triangle he will always be pushing against the flow of the Triangle. That's not the end of the world, but he has to try and blend more often than not and if he does then he'll be fine. The offense can survive some amount of freelancing. It's better if you save that for later in the shot clock.

The real important thing isn't one player but upgrading the rest of the team so that it can function at a higher level regardless of Melo or anyone else that has more selfish tendencies. You need the bulk of your roster to buy in completely and to be able to execute team ball at a high level. It will have a net positive effect on everyone including Melo. Then we should see more of Olympic Melo than Woodson Melo.

The dream would be that Russell falls to the Knicks, but i'm not getting my hopes up about that. If it happens then we'll all celebrate.

sorry man ... russell is not falling.

this is one of the most solidified top 3 in years.

all the stupid noise is just boredom and more boredom

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:as long as the triangle still highlights the 20 footer, I wan't know part of it.

I've pointed this out before but you really have to be aware that the Lakers had some very efficient offenses just 3-5 years before Phil took the Knicks job.

Warriors 2014-15 Off Rtg: 111.6 (2nd of 30)
Lakers   2010-11 Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30)
Lakers   2009-10 Off Rtg: 108.8 (11th of 30) 
Lakers   2008-09 Off Rtg: 112.8 (3rd of 30)
Lakers   2007-08 Off Rtg: 113.0 (3rd of 30)

they had some extremely efficient players.

That's the point isn't it??? The style of offense they played had a part in the process as well. If it was a bad offense it should've hampered their efficiency. The clearly were a very efficient team and the Triangle proved to be an efficient offense. It's not just about taking 3's or long 2's. There's more to the game and more to the Triangle offense than mid range shots.

You think Phil isn't aware of the fact that his teams played efficiently and had efficient players? The idea is to build a team that has the talent to play efficient and smart basketball and can defend at a high level. If he is successful in adding more efficient and smart two way players you'll see the team execute the offense at a higher level and take fewer bad shots.

did the triangle make shaq an efficient player? Or was he a damn giant who could not really be stopped?

You do realize that this only underscores what Phil is trying to do here? You aren't refuting the point at all. Phil is trying to build the team along the lines of his principles. Phil identified Shaq as a perfect Triangle big before he even came to the Lakers. It only makes sense that in an offense built around a low post big at it's core that you would expect a player like Shaq to be great in it.

It's not about the Triangle "making" Shaq an efficient player. It's about employing efficient players in a format to create an efficient overall offense. You can have singularly efficient players but not an efficient offense!!! You make a player like Shaq even more effective in a system like the Triangle and he makes everyone else more effective.

The whole point of the Triangle is the low post player in the strong side Triangle and the mid post player on the weak side Pinch Post. So you want at least one great post player for establishing the Triangle. There's no point in making an issue of having efficient players when that's the point of the system. It's designed for 2 post players and a 3rd wing post player as well.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:as long as the triangle still highlights the 20 footer, I wan't know part of it.

I've pointed this out before but you really have to be aware that the Lakers had some very efficient offenses just 3-5 years before Phil took the Knicks job.

Warriors 2014-15 Off Rtg: 111.6 (2nd of 30)
Lakers   2010-11 Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30)
Lakers   2009-10 Off Rtg: 108.8 (11th of 30) 
Lakers   2008-09 Off Rtg: 112.8 (3rd of 30)
Lakers   2007-08 Off Rtg: 113.0 (3rd of 30)

they had some extremely efficient players.

That's the point isn't it??? The style of offense they played had a part in the process as well. If it was a bad offense it should've hampered their efficiency. The clearly were a very efficient team and the Triangle proved to be an efficient offense. It's not just about taking 3's or long 2's. There's more to the game and more to the Triangle offense than mid range shots.

You think Phil isn't aware of the fact that his teams played efficiently and had efficient players? The idea is to build a team that has the talent to play efficient and smart basketball and can defend at a high level. If he is successful in adding more efficient and smart two way players you'll see the team execute the offense at a higher level and take fewer bad shots.

did the triangle make shaq an efficient player? Or was he a damn giant who could not really be stopped?

You do realize that this only underscores what Phil is trying to do here? You aren't refuting the point at all. Phil is trying to build the team along the lines of his principles. Phil identified Shaq as a perfect Triangle big before he even came to the Lakers. It only makes sense that in an offense built around a low post big at it's core that you would expect a player like Shaq to be great in it.

It's not about the Triangle "making" Shaq an efficient player. It's about employing efficient players in a format to create an efficient overall offense. You can have singularly efficient players but not an efficient offense!!! You make a player like Shaq even more effective in a system like the Triangle and he makes everyone else more effective.

The whole point of the Triangle is the low post player in the strong side Triangle and the mid post player on the weak side Pinch Post. So you want at least one great post player for establishing the Triangle. There's no point in making an issue of having efficient players when that's the point of the system. It's designed for 2 post players and a 3rd wing post player as well.

ok ... so if phil gets me a shaq with his eye for talent then I am sold on phil as my savior