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wh4t
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6/22/2015 2:39 PM
I'm assuming most heard the news about Willie Trill. Kristaps just had a private workout for the Knicks today. It's only 3 big men to talk about.
Kristaps Porzingis has private workout with Knicks http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/kristaps-porzingis-private-workout-knicks-article-1.2266752 |
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wh4t
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6/22/2015 3:27 PM
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wh4t
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6/22/2015 4:32 PM
nixluva wrote:There's no mystery with Kaminsky. You pretty much know what he can do and he'd likely be in the Pau role in this offense. KrisP may also be able to do that but he's got a lot more developing to do and they may not want to risk that he may never reach that full potential. Kaminsky is there now and you feel confident in how you can see him performing. BRIGGS wrote:I like Kaminsky too but I believe we can trade down and get Frank and assets that equal a greater bang for the buck but taking Kristaps 4 is smart I think we control the draft by controlling him. We could simply trade back 1 slot need be I can't make a proper assessment like everyone else about Kristaps due to me not seeing him play actual games. All i've seen were highlight and workout videos and that's not enough for me. blkexec wrote:We have so many holes....at a minimum, we need more skilled players. Kaminsky fits that goal. He will play a Steve Novak role, with Melo and Monroe fighting over the paint. Kaminsky is miles ahead of Novak. There's no comparison skill wise WaltLongmire wrote:I think Kaminsky is better than that. yep, Kaminsky is still getting better Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: http://www.si.com/edge/2015/06/17/training-with-frank-kaminsky-wisconsin-nba-draft-2015 Training with Frank Kaminsky: The big man steps it up for the NBA draft When NBA draft prospect Frank Kaminsky does single-leg Romanian deadlifts precisely eight times on each side, it's not because he has an affinity for central European fitness techniques. Kaminsky, the 22-year-old Wooden Award winner who led Wisconsin on an impressive Final Four run, goes through specified workouts like single-leg RDLs and split squat jumps because his biomechanic and performance data informs his trainers that the 240-pound seven-footer has room to improve on his vertical jumping ability. With the influx of advanced sports technology and training centers such as P3 in Santa Barbara, Calif., where Kaminsky is preparing ahead of the draft later this month, players are able to hone in on specific aspects of their development like never before. After putting the player through initial testing, which included the use of force plates and a 10-camera 3D motion-analysis system, Kaminsky's trainers at P3 determined he was the most mobile big man they’d ever assessed, but also that he needed to improve his "knee extension acceleration, velocity and peak concentric force," all underlying factors that contribute to a player's jumping ability. The next step for Kaminsky’s trainers was to create a specialized workout plan that addressed his specific needs. To improve his leaping ability, the Badgers star was put through workouts like the one featuring those single-leg RDLs. Then, three times per week, Kaminsky would be tested by doing countermovement jumps with the use of force plates. The results—his contraction time and flight time—would then be analyzed by P3’s trainers, to determine if their approach needed to be intensified or scaled back. As a result, for Kaminsky, every day in the gym has been different, and that’s by design. “Everyone has their own individual workout plan, whether they’re trying to get you to jump higher, get more explosive, or improve lateral quickness and footwork,” says Kaminsky. “There’s a lot more science behind [the training].” When Kaminsky was initially tested at P3, he had a vertical jump displacement of 23.5 inches, which ranked in the ninth percentile of NBA athletes who have been tested at P3. His final assessment showed a significant improvement in the approach vert (up four inches), squat jump (up three inches) and agility (.32 seconds faster). Now, the former Badgers star is looking to continue that improvement as he progresses to the next level. “On the court, you’ve got to work as hard as you can,” says Kaminsky. “Nothing’s handed to you. You have to go out and work for everything. That’s one thing I proved in college and I’ll continue to do in the NBA.” Improving by Leaps and Bounds A P3 trainer offers exercises to help you get off the floor 1. Medball Vert Chest Pass: Stand with feet shoulder-width apart, toes slightly turned out, and hold a medicine ball at chest level. In a relaxed, fluid motion, squat while flexing through the hips, knees and ankles and keeping the back flat. When your thighs are parallel to the ground, explode up. As you rise, extend your arms straight up and push the ball as high as possible. Do three sets of six. A: It’s an interesting process. Now you’ve got to figure out what your strengths and weaknesses are at the next level. Work on them as hard as you can, at least until the draft. And then showcase what you’ve been working on in summer leagues. It’s clear what your strengths are. Where do you think you need to improve? I think I need to improve on the defensive end. It’s a whole different evil at the next level. You can get away with some deficiencies in college, but in the NBA you’ll be exposed. So I know I need to work on my body and get better. Do you think there are any misconceptions about your game? Not necessarily about my game. I think it’s how much the age factor plays a difference. I said it before, I’m 22 years old and I get treated like I’m 65 going into the NBA. It’s not necessarily that I’m young or old. It’s just I don’t think that age plays as big of a deal as some people think it does. What player in the NBA would you compare your game to? A few different people. I like to take things from people’s games. I like to take stuff from Dirk (Nowitzki), Tim Duncan, I like to watch Nikola Mirotic and what he does and how he was effective as a rookie. So just watching everyone. Any idea on where you might be drafted? Do you have any expectations on it? I have expectations. I want to go anywhere from five to 12…With where I hope to get drafted, I don’t ever really want to be considered a backup player. So I’m going to do whatever I can to make sure I fit somewhere and have a role on the team. Why should an NBA team draft you? Did you make a conscious effort to become a stretch big seeing how the game has evolved? Not necessarily. That’s how I always played. I was a guard before I was tall. So I kind of just kept those skills with me, and it kind of just turns out that that was the right decision. Are teams looking at you as more of a power forward or center? I look at myself as more of a 4, at least initially in my NBA career. We’ll see what happens after that. But the way I feel right now, I feel like I could play the 4. When you interview with teams, are coaches projecting how your ability to put the ball on the floor and pass will give you mismatch advantages? Yeah, you know, it’s going to be different in the NBA. There’s a 35 second shot clock in college. There’s a 24 second shot clock in the NBA. So that first look you get that’s open (in the NBA) you got to let it go. There were a lot of times in college where I passed up a good shot to try to work for something better. In the NBA, you can’t necessarily do that. So if you’re passing the ball, moving the ball in the right spots and you get an open look you’ve got to take it. And I think that’s something I’m ready for. You mentioned that you hear a lot of people buzzing about your defense. How often do you hear about it, and how do you maintain your confidence? Well, in these interviews I’ve asked every team ‘What do you think I need to work on, and what’s your biggest concerns about me?’ Everyone’s been a little bit different, but they all have the same theme. So that just goes to show that I still have a lot to work on. Nobody’s perfect coming into the draft. There’s been a lot of people in draft history who have come in with a lot of question marks and been able to prove people wrong. So I want to be one of those people. Is the common theme defense? Defense and getting my body better. Are you spending more time at the kitchen table or in the weight room as far as the weight? Both. A little bit more time in the weight room here recently just trying to lift hard before the going gets tough…I’m sure once summer league hits the lifting will be a little bit lighter and more emphasis on nutrition. Do you embrace the nickname “Frank the Tank?” Yeah. I don’t really have a choice now, do I? |
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jbeachboy
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6/22/2015 5:09 PM
trading down makes no sense
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mreinman
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6/22/2015 5:27 PM
jbeachboy wrote:trading down makes no sense k so here is what phil is thinking ....
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wh4t
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6/22/2015 5:35 PM LAST EDITED: 6/22/2015 5:37 PM
http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/what-if-frank-kaminsky-was-european
How Scouts Would View Frank Kaminsky Differently If He Was European
By Jim Weber One of the most intriguing parts of the 2015 NBA Draft is how Wisconsin’s Frank Kaminsky is seen as just a mid-first round pick despite being college basketball’s National Player of the Year on national runner-up Wisconsin while European big man Kris Porzingis is a potential top three pick after averaging 10 PPG on a bad Spanish pro team. I won’t claim to be an expert on European big men or project Porzingis to be a bust; [size=4]his YouTube clips and draft profiles are like every other hyped European big man prospect before him: He moves well for a 7-footer, can finish in the lane, is a good passer and can shoot the 3-ball. And I get that scouts are basing their analysis on what a player will be instead of what he has done.[/size] But I will say this: There is an undeniable European bias that makes white players born overseas overvalued compared to those born in the United States. As Jason Kapono once put it, “I should have left UCLA after my freshman year, moved to Yugoslavia and changed my name to Jason Kaponovich, and I’d have been a first-round pick.” Need proof of the “Euro bias”? Look no further than Kaminsky’s teammate, Sam Dekker. He had a tremendous junior season at Wisconsin that included annihilating Arizona in the NCAA tournament, and is such a good defender he guarded none other than LeBron James at LBJ’s own skills academy last summer. And yet, Dekker was projected as a late first round draft pick until he killed his individual NBA workouts, as if scouts refused to believe Dekker’s game tape was real until they saw how good he is in person. Now he’s projected as a Top 10 selection. Or take a gander at the laundry list of infamous European draft picks over the last 20 years: • Alexander Radojevic (12th overall, 1999 NBA Draft) • Frederic Weis (15th overall, 1999) • Darko Milicic (2nd overall, 2003) • Nikoloz Tskitishvili (5th overall, 2002) • Fran Vasquez (11th overall, 2005) • Yaroslav Korolev (12th overall, 2005) • Victor Claver (22nd overall, 2009) • Jan Veselý (6th overall, 2011) Granted, there have been plenty of white American players who have been NBA busts in this time period as well (e.g. Adam Morrison and Jimmer Fredette). But the “Euro bias” leads to foreign-born players being wildly overvalued and drafted much higher than they should have been. For example, Ukranian Alex Len was selected fifth overall in 2013 and even considered a potential No. 1 overall selection despite a solid-but-unspectacular career at Maryland. Meanwhile, Duke’s Mason Plumlee out of Fort Wayne, IN, went 17 spots later after being a First-Team All-American as a senior. Len can’t stay healthy and has been very inconsistent in Phoenix while Plumlee - who many people assume is a big white stiff but actually a great athlete - was a solid 15 & 10 guy this past season when Brook Lopez was injured. What leads to this “Euro bias” among scouts and pundits is anyone’s guess. Do they have a hard time evaluating European players because it’s hard to measure the competition they play against? Do the “experts” put too much emphasis on individual workouts, where European players always impress with their size and movement against thin air? Do white college players who are generally upper classmen fall prey to the fact NBA executives are always swinging for the fences with “high ceiling” players that “could be the next Dirk Nowitzki”? Is there a stigma attached to being a white American basketball player because so few are currently stars in the NBA? It could be any or all of these. No matter the reason, the “Euro bias” has never been more apparent than how devalued Frank Kaminsky has become in the lead up to this week’s draft. Instead of focusing on him being college basketball’s best player with great footwork, passing ability and shooting range — all typical characteristics of a European big man — scouts and pundits have focused on all the weaknesses in his game and how it won’t translate to the NBA. What more do they want from this guy? He was the best player in college basketball who, in his final three games at Wisconsin, put up 29 points on Arizona’s stout defense, schooled Kentucky’s all-world defender Willie Cauley-Stein on 7-of-11 shooting and thoroughly outplayed expected No. 2 overall pick Jahlil Okafor by outscoring him 21 to 10. And yet Kaminsky is projected to be picked behind a player like Myles Turner, who was a non-factor for most of his freshman year at Texas. Give me a break. Kaminsky isn’t as athletic or strong as the experts want him to be. Well, after watching them play in the NBA, you could have fooled me that the European busts listed above are strong, great athletes they were billed to be. And if Kaminsky was a European player, I’m willing to bet his weaknesses would be overlooked instead of magnified. So I put together what some of Kaminsky’s lukewarm draft profiles look like now and what one would look like with the rose-colored glasses used for European big men if he was a Polish-born player by the name of Franciszek Kaminsky. Frank Kaminsky draft profiles: Kevin Pelton, ESPN.com: “I don’t know whether I see stardom in the cards for him in the NBA, but I think he could be a valuable — and underrated — role player in the mold of Channing Frye and Spencer Hawes.” Chad Ford, ESPN.com: “He absolutely looks like the second coming of [Channing] Frye. He won’t be a superstar, but he has a long NBA future ahead of him if he can keep knocking down shots on the perimeter.” Chris Mannix, SI.com: “Kaminsky is a multi-dimensional offensive player who would play well alongside Al Jefferson. One issue: Kaminsky’s lack of strength, at 22, has scared several executives scouting him.” Scott Howard-Cooper, NBA.com: “The college Player of the Year lacks strength, so defense could be a challenge, but he should be a good complementary player who can shoot, pass and put the ball on the floor.” Franciszek Kaminsky draft profile: “The Polish big man has incredible footwork in the paint and a feathery touch from deep whose game reminds many of Dirk Nowitzki. He’s a lock as a top five pick. Franciszek’s not an elite-level athlete or defender, but runs the floor well for a 7-footer and has a great basketball IQ. He’s also an incredible passer who can flash the same court vision as a point guard. At 22, he’s a late bloomer who is very mature and can contribute right away. A stretch 5, Kaminsky is the kind of big man that the league is trending toward instead of back-to-the-basket centers of yesteryear and he should excel in the new NBA.” |
