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Will Mario Hezonja Drop Because of His Contract Buyout?
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6/18/2015  8:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/18/2015  8:10 PM
I've read that Hezonja's buyout is anywhere between €2-3 million, which equates to about $3-$4 million. In the past, larger buyouts have caused many players to drop significantly in the draft. In 2003, it caused Maceji Lampe to drop from the top 10, to about 30th in his draft. In 2011, it caused Nikola Mirotic to also drop from the lottery to 24th (albeit in a deep draft). So I wonder if this will be the case for Hezonja and how it should impact our draft plans.

If he does drop out of the top 10, I think I'd definitely consider trading down for him and additional assets like Bledsoe and the 13th. Would anyone really object to that?

The GM of the Suns Ryan McDonough was in attendance, however the fact that Hezonja wasn’t used, doesn’t change anything on the big picture. The relationshipbetween the player and Barcelona seems to be near its end and only one thing remains to be seen. Hezonja, who is projected to be picked even in the Top5, has a 2 million euros buy out in his contract with Barcelona and that seems to be the only thing which could keep him in Spain.

http://www.eurohoops.net/2015/04/flopping/88603

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6/18/2015  8:24 PM
NardDogNation wrote:I've read that Hezonja's buyout is anywhere between €2-3 million, which equates to about $3-$4 million. In the past, larger buyouts have caused many players to drop significantly in the draft. In 2003, it caused Maceji Lampe to drop from the top 10, to about 30th in his draft. In 2011, it caused Nikola Mirotic to also drop from the lottery to 24th (albeit in a deep draft). So I wonder if this will be the case for Hezonja and how it should impact our draft plans.

If he does drop out of the top 10, I think I'd definitely consider trading down for him and additional assets like Bledsoe and the 13th. Would anyone really object to that?

The GM of the Suns Ryan McDonough was in attendance, however the fact that Hezonja wasn’t used, doesn’t change anything on the big picture. The relationshipbetween the player and Barcelona seems to be near its end and only one thing remains to be seen. Hezonja, who is projected to be picked even in the Top5, has a 2 million euros buy out in his contract with Barcelona and that seems to be the only thing which could keep him in Spain.

http://www.eurohoops.net/2015/04/flopping/88603


His agent is also working with the Pistons, now, and I think they are working to move to a new arena.

Not sure he would get past Detroit.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/06/05/detroit-pistons-arn-tellem-palace/28460751/

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6/18/2015  8:36 PM
NardDogNation wrote:I've read that Hezonja's buyout is anywhere between €2-3 million, which equates to about $3-$4 million. In the past, larger buyouts have caused many players to drop significantly in the draft. In 2003, it caused Maceji Lampe to drop from the top 10, to about 30th in his draft. In 2011, it caused Nikola Mirotic to also drop from the lottery to 24th (albeit in a deep draft). So I wonder if this will be the case for Hezonja and how it should impact our draft plans.

If he does drop out of the top 10, I think I'd definitely consider trading down for him and additional assets like Bledsoe and the 13th. Would anyone really object to that?

The GM of the Suns Ryan McDonough was in attendance, however the fact that Hezonja wasn’t used, doesn’t change anything on the big picture. The relationshipbetween the player and Barcelona seems to be near its end and only one thing remains to be seen. Hezonja, who is projected to be picked even in the Top5, has a 2 million euros buy out in his contract with Barcelona and that seems to be the only thing which could keep him in Spain.

http://www.eurohoops.net/2015/04/flopping/88603


Whoever gets him is gonna get who i think will be one of the best players in this draft.
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6/18/2015  8:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/18/2015  8:37 PM
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NardDogNation wrote:I've read that Hezonja's buyout is anywhere between €2-3 million, which equates to about $3-$4 million. In the past, larger buyouts have caused many players to drop significantly in the draft. In 2003, it caused Maceji Lampe to drop from the top 10, to about 30th in his draft. In 2011, it caused Nikola Mirotic to also drop from the lottery to 24th (albeit in a deep draft). So I wonder if this will be the case for Hezonja and how it should impact our draft plans.

If he does drop out of the top 10, I think I'd definitely consider trading down for him and additional assets like Bledsoe and the 13th. Would anyone really object to that?

The GM of the Suns Ryan McDonough was in attendance, however the fact that Hezonja wasn’t used, doesn’t change anything on the big picture. The relationshipbetween the player and Barcelona seems to be near its end and only one thing remains to be seen. Hezonja, who is projected to be picked even in the Top5, has a 2 million euros buy out in his contract with Barcelona and that seems to be the only thing which could keep him in Spain.

http://www.eurohoops.net/2015/04/flopping/88603


His agent is also working with the Pistons, now, and I think they are working to move to a new arena.

Not sure he would get past Detroit.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/06/05/detroit-pistons-arn-tellem-palace/28460751/

Good find but that sounded like things are still very much up in the air. If they can't reach an appropriate settlement, I wonder if he drops. If he does, I'd definitely trade down and wait the obligatory year for him.

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6/18/2015  8:41 PM
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WaltLongmire wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I've read that Hezonja's buyout is anywhere between €2-3 million, which equates to about $3-$4 million. In the past, larger buyouts have caused many players to drop significantly in the draft. In 2003, it caused Maceji Lampe to drop from the top 10, to about 30th in his draft. In 2011, it caused Nikola Mirotic to also drop from the lottery to 24th (albeit in a deep draft). So I wonder if this will be the case for Hezonja and how it should impact our draft plans.

If he does drop out of the top 10, I think I'd definitely consider trading down for him and additional assets like Bledsoe and the 13th. Would anyone really object to that?

The GM of the Suns Ryan McDonough was in attendance, however the fact that Hezonja wasn’t used, doesn’t change anything on the big picture. The relationshipbetween the player and Barcelona seems to be near its end and only one thing remains to be seen. Hezonja, who is projected to be picked even in the Top5, has a 2 million euros buy out in his contract with Barcelona and that seems to be the only thing which could keep him in Spain.

http://www.eurohoops.net/2015/04/flopping/88603


His agent is also working with the Pistons, now, and I think they are working to move to a new arena.

Not sure he would get past Detroit.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/06/05/detroit-pistons-arn-tellem-palace/28460751/

Good find but that sounded like things are still very much up in the air. If they can't reach an appropriate settlement, I wonder if he drops. If he does, I'd definitely trade down and wait the obligatory year for him.


You might not be the only one who would be thinking about that...I was not, though.

Have to figure that anyone who would sell us a draft pick would rather take him and wait instead of giving us the pick. That would be something for a team drafting late.

I predict the buyout gets done. Tellem has some power and Hezonja is not only talented, but he would really help to sell the franchise, IMO.

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6/18/2015  8:47 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I've read that Hezonja's buyout is anywhere between €2-3 million, which equates to about $3-$4 million. In the past, larger buyouts have caused many players to drop significantly in the draft. In 2003, it caused Maceji Lampe to drop from the top 10, to about 30th in his draft. In 2011, it caused Nikola Mirotic to also drop from the lottery to 24th (albeit in a deep draft). So I wonder if this will be the case for Hezonja and how it should impact our draft plans.

If he does drop out of the top 10, I think I'd definitely consider trading down for him and additional assets like Bledsoe and the 13th. Would anyone really object to that?

The GM of the Suns Ryan McDonough was in attendance, however the fact that Hezonja wasn’t used, doesn’t change anything on the big picture. The relationshipbetween the player and Barcelona seems to be near its end and only one thing remains to be seen. Hezonja, who is projected to be picked even in the Top5, has a 2 million euros buy out in his contract with Barcelona and that seems to be the only thing which could keep him in Spain.

http://www.eurohoops.net/2015/04/flopping/88603


His agent is also working with the Pistons, now, and I think they are working to move to a new arena.

Not sure he would get past Detroit.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/06/05/detroit-pistons-arn-tellem-palace/28460751/

Good find but that sounded like things are still very much up in the air. If they can't reach an appropriate settlement, I wonder if he drops. If he does, I'd definitely trade down and wait the obligatory year for him.


You might not be the only one who would be thinking about that...I was not, though.

Have to figure that anyone who would sell us a draft pick would rather take him and wait instead of giving us the pick. That would be something for a team drafting late.

I predict the buyout gets done. Tellem has some power and Hezonja is not only talented, but he would really help to sell the franchise, IMO.

Would a team be inclined to wait the obligatory year if they thought a guy was just as good or better at 4? I still think Mudiay rounds out the top tier of this draft and happens to play PG, a pivotal position in the league for success and the centerpiece to every good Suns team, ever.

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6/18/2015  8:57 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I've read that Hezonja's buyout is anywhere between €2-3 million, which equates to about $3-$4 million. In the past, larger buyouts have caused many players to drop significantly in the draft. In 2003, it caused Maceji Lampe to drop from the top 10, to about 30th in his draft. In 2011, it caused Nikola Mirotic to also drop from the lottery to 24th (albeit in a deep draft). So I wonder if this will be the case for Hezonja and how it should impact our draft plans.

If he does drop out of the top 10, I think I'd definitely consider trading down for him and additional assets like Bledsoe and the 13th. Would anyone really object to that?

The GM of the Suns Ryan McDonough was in attendance, however the fact that Hezonja wasn’t used, doesn’t change anything on the big picture. The relationshipbetween the player and Barcelona seems to be near its end and only one thing remains to be seen. Hezonja, who is projected to be picked even in the Top5, has a 2 million euros buy out in his contract with Barcelona and that seems to be the only thing which could keep him in Spain.

http://www.eurohoops.net/2015/04/flopping/88603


His agent is also working with the Pistons, now, and I think they are working to move to a new arena.

Not sure he would get past Detroit.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/06/05/detroit-pistons-arn-tellem-palace/28460751/

Good find but that sounded like things are still very much up in the air. If they can't reach an appropriate settlement, I wonder if he drops. If he does, I'd definitely trade down and wait the obligatory year for him.


You might not be the only one who would be thinking about that...I was not, though.

Have to figure that anyone who would sell us a draft pick would rather take him and wait instead of giving us the pick. That would be something for a team drafting late.

I predict the buyout gets done. Tellem has some power and Hezonja is not only talented, but he would really help to sell the franchise, IMO.

Would a team be inclined to wait the obligatory year if they thought a guy was just as good or better at 4? I still think Mudiay rounds out the top tier of this draft and happens to play PG, a pivotal position in the league for success and the centerpiece to every good Suns team, ever.


Or maybe the buyout gets done earlier than a year. Don't know at this point.
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6/18/2015  9:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/19/2015  12:49 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I've read that Hezonja's buyout is anywhere between €2-3 million, which equates to about $3-$4 million. In the past, larger buyouts have caused many players to drop significantly in the draft. In 2003, it caused Maceji Lampe to drop from the top 10, to about 30th in his draft. In 2011, it caused Nikola Mirotic to also drop from the lottery to 24th (albeit in a deep draft). So I wonder if this will be the case for Hezonja and how it should impact our draft plans.

If he does drop out of the top 10, I think I'd definitely consider trading down for him and additional assets like Bledsoe and the 13th. Would anyone really object to that?

The GM of the Suns Ryan McDonough was in attendance, however the fact that Hezonja wasn’t used, doesn’t change anything on the big picture. The relationshipbetween the player and Barcelona seems to be near its end and only one thing remains to be seen. Hezonja, who is projected to be picked even in the Top5, has a 2 million euros buy out in his contract with Barcelona and that seems to be the only thing which could keep him in Spain.

http://www.eurohoops.net/2015/04/flopping/88603


His agent is also working with the Pistons, now, and I think they are working to move to a new arena.

Not sure he would get past Detroit.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/06/05/detroit-pistons-arn-tellem-palace/28460751/

Good find but that sounded like things are still very much up in the air. If they can't reach an appropriate settlement, I wonder if he drops. If he does, I'd definitely trade down and wait the obligatory year for him.


You might not be the only one who would be thinking about that...I was not, though.

Have to figure that anyone who would sell us a draft pick would rather take him and wait instead of giving us the pick. That would be something for a team drafting late.

I predict the buyout gets done. Tellem has some power and Hezonja is not only talented, but he would really help to sell the franchise, IMO.

Would a team be inclined to wait the obligatory year if they thought a guy was just as good or better at 4? I still think Mudiay rounds out the top tier of this draft and happens to play PG, a pivotal position in the league for success and the centerpiece to every good Suns team, ever.


Or maybe the buyout gets done earlier than a year. Don't know at this point.

How recent was that twitter post? If it is recent and still relevant, I'd have to think it won't get done before the draft, which is in 6 days. And if it isn't done before then, I'd have to think it will have some impact on his draft prospects.

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6/18/2015  9:37 PM
I am shocked that Arn Tellem could rep Hezonja while he has a front office job with Detroit. Vice chairman of Palace Sports & Entertainment, which owns the Detroit Pistons. That and he is no longer an agent. This tweet rings false to me. That contract status worried me so I looked around for it -- wiki had it as a 3 year contract with a 4 year player option. No mention of a buyout.
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6/18/2015  9:46 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:I am shocked that Arn Tellem could rep Hezonja while he has a front office job with Detroit. Vice chairman of Palace Sports & Entertainment, which owns the Detroit Pistons. That and he is no longer an agent. This tweet rings false to me. That contract status worried me so I looked around for it -- wiki had it as a 3 year contract with a 4 year player option. No mention of a buyout.
I don't know if he is the acting agent anymore. I believe his son is also an agent and maybe handling Arn's clients now. I think Arn is just trying to negotiate the buyout.
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6/18/2015  10:29 PM
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EwingsGlass wrote:I am shocked that Arn Tellem could rep Hezonja while he has a front office job with Detroit. Vice chairman of Palace Sports & Entertainment, which owns the Detroit Pistons. That and he is no longer an agent. This tweet rings false to me. That contract status worried me so I looked around for it -- wiki had it as a 3 year contract with a 4 year player option. No mention of a buyout.
I don't know if he is the acting agent anymore. I believe his son is also an agent and maybe handling Arn's clients now. I think Arn is just trying to negotiate the buyout.

Probably correct in what you say.

Don't know about the son at all.

Still strange given his former status.

Would assume that they gave him a guarantee if he was at 8.

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I think Hezonja is actually my top pick here. I liked the GrantLand article about him. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/whos-that-guy-future-lottery-pick-mario-hezonja/.

Jackson has a way with big egos, he seems to get them to be their best versions of themselves. I'd love to see what he could do with Mario. I'm not frightened by his statements. Some of it can be chalked up to youth. The rest, well, I want to see if he can walk the walk.

Here's the thing, he's a contributor - likely a starter -- on day 1 with huge upside as he acclimates to the speed of the NBA. His game is absolutely suited to the triangle next to Melo.

He's the guy PJax is talking about when he says he wants someone that wants to get to the hoop -- who can get to the hoop. He's Big for a SG at 6'8 200 lbs and likes to finish with a flourish. Shot 39% from 3.

In Europe they say he has an attitude. In America, they call it swagger. Fact is, I am not sure he is wrong. If he accepted the offer to go to Kentucky, he might be the #1 pick. Been playing professionally since like grade school.

Jax has been silent on his intents. I take Towns OK4 or Russell if they are there, but after that, for me it is Hezonja. I can see him being great in the triangle and the timing is right for when he develops.

EVEN IF there is a buyout, we can help with that. He's my #4.

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EwingsGlass wrote:I think Hezonja is actually my top pick here. I liked the GrantLand article about him. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/whos-that-guy-future-lottery-pick-mario-hezonja/.

Jackson has a way with big egos, he seems to get them to be their best versions of themselves. I'd love to see what he could do with Mario. I'm not frightened by his statements. Some of it can be chalked up to youth. The rest, well, I want to see if he can walk the walk.

Here's the thing, he's a contributor - likely a starter -- on day 1 with huge upside as he acclimates to the speed of the NBA. His game is absolutely suited to the triangle next to Melo.

He's the guy PJax is talking about when he says he wants someone that wants to get to the hoop -- who can get to the hoop. He's Big for a SG at 6'8 200 lbs and likes to finish with a flourish. Shot 39% from 3.

In Europe they say he has an attitude. In America, they call it swagger. Fact is, I am not sure he is wrong. If he accepted the offer to go to Kentucky, he might be the #1 pick. Been playing professionally since like grade school.

Jax has been silent on his intents. I take Towns OK4 or Russell if they are there, but after that, for me it is Hezonja. I can see him being great in the triangle and the timing is right for when he develops.

EVEN IF there is a buyout, we can help with that. He's my #4.

Hezonja is the only guy who is 6-8 with elite athleticism and a pure stroke who can make plays with the dribble. He looks like a direct player who was playing for the NBA champions. The problem with the draft is its really good and all of these teams are going to improve. Think back to when A Bennett went 1--it was a hard draft to like--this draft has played down to 8 or 9 who couldve went #1 in that draft.

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EwingsGlass wrote:I think Hezonja is actually my top pick here. I liked the GrantLand article about him. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/whos-that-guy-future-lottery-pick-mario-hezonja/.

Jackson has a way with big egos, he seems to get them to be their best versions of themselves. I'd love to see what he could do with Mario. I'm not frightened by his statements. Some of it can be chalked up to youth. The rest, well, I want to see if he can walk the walk.

Here's the thing, he's a contributor - likely a starter -- on day 1 with huge upside as he acclimates to the speed of the NBA. His game is absolutely suited to the triangle next to Melo.

He's the guy PJax is talking about when he says he wants someone that wants to get to the hoop -- who can get to the hoop. He's Big for a SG at 6'8 200 lbs and likes to finish with a flourish. Shot 39% from 3.

In Europe they say he has an attitude. In America, they call it swagger. Fact is, I am not sure he is wrong. If he accepted the offer to go to Kentucky, he might be the #1 pick. Been playing professionally since like grade school.

Jax has been silent on his intents. I take Towns OK4 or Russell if they are there, but after that, for me it is Hezonja. I can see him being great in the triangle and the timing is right for when he develops.

EVEN IF there is a buyout, we can help with that. He's my #4.

Hezonja is the only guy who is 6-8 with elite athleticism and a pure stroke who can make plays with the dribble. He looks like a direct player who was playing for the NBA champions. The problem with the draft is its really good and all of these teams are going to improve. Think back to when A Bennett went 1--it was a hard draft to like--this draft has played down to 8 or 9 who couldve went #1 in that draft.

There are a lot of good players here. A lot of superstar potential if _____. Mudiay can learn to shoot. OK4 can learn to play defense and make free throws. Russell can deal with the athleticism in the NBA. Zinger can add meaningful weight without giving up lateral quickness. Justise can handle NBA shooting guards instead of college PFs. Hezonja can contain the attitude or at least apply it to HIS craft positively. Towns can take those next steps and develop some upper body strength....man strength. Willy Trill can develop within an offensive system. The list goes on... They all have the ability to be stars. But only a select few will.

Croatian Kobe for my money.

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6/18/2015  11:46 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:I think Hezonja is actually my top pick here. I liked the GrantLand article about him. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/whos-that-guy-future-lottery-pick-mario-hezonja/.

Jackson has a way with big egos, he seems to get them to be their best versions of themselves. I'd love to see what he could do with Mario. I'm not frightened by his statements. Some of it can be chalked up to youth. The rest, well, I want to see if he can walk the walk.

Here's the thing, he's a contributor - likely a starter -- on day 1 with huge upside as he acclimates to the speed of the NBA. His game is absolutely suited to the triangle next to Melo.

He's the guy PJax is talking about when he says he wants someone that wants to get to the hoop -- who can get to the hoop. He's Big for a SG at 6'8 200 lbs and likes to finish with a flourish. Shot 39% from 3.

In Europe they say he has an attitude. In America, they call it swagger. Fact is, I am not sure he is wrong. If he accepted the offer to go to Kentucky, he might be the #1 pick. Been playing professionally since like grade school.

Jax has been silent on his intents. I take Towns OK4 or Russell if they are there, but after that, for me it is Hezonja. I can see him being great in the triangle and the timing is right for when he develops.

EVEN IF there is a buyout, we can help with that. He's my #4.

Interesting article, there was a quote from draft express in it...

Hezonja’s worst moments this season have come in situations where the intersection of his talent and confidence have led to him settling for difficult shots in the half court and looking to do too much with the ball in his hands … His body language is poor at times and he seems to get down on his teammates. … it will be fascinating to watch how his swagger, ego and unlimited self-confidence fit in on whichever team opts to draft him. His mentality could pay huge dividends if he reaches his lofty potential down the road, but what kind of growing pains will he experience early in his NBA career

Kind of reminds me of Drazen Petrovic, the trash talking, the attitude, the confidence. Could be a blessing or a curse depending on how adjusts to the NBA. I was impressed with how he can dunk with someone in his grill.

I did like this quote from Hezonga in the article:

Respect? No, I never had respect to anybody on a basketball court,” Hezonja said in 2014. “I heard about: ‘If they smell blood, you get eaten.’ I’m not like that. I don’t care. Whether it’s a veteran or a young player standing in front of me I always have the same goal. I want to run over everybody.”
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