holfresh wrote:Comparing yet another 3/4 player to a 1st year player..

And...?

Another knocking of a kid who stayed in school?

BRIGGS wrote:

I guess that since you moved Anderson up on your draft board you wanna show us your reasoning for it.

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:Comparing yet another 3/4 player to a 1st year player..

And...?

Another knocking of a kid who stayed in school?

Not at all, not mentioned in my writings..It is exactly as written..Comparing a player who has had time to work and polish his game over the years to a college freshman..Like Kaminsky against 1st year players..Those advantages are good for about two games..

Yet there are many players who never make significant improvements on the game they showed in a single year of college. You can also look back at the kids who came out of HS who never improved their games.

Not saying that I would take Anderson over Winslow, but Anderson has been a good defender and this year he showed excellent improvement in his stroke, especially from 3. That type of thing has to be considered.

See much significant improvement from Anthony Bennett, for example, in recent years? No guarantee that a player will improve, just as there is no guarantee that a 3 year player will carry over his success in college to the NBA.

Anderson is another physical freak, and already has the body for the NBA...the fact that he has improved upon his shooting, and demonstrated that improvement this year for a season, and not just a workout, is significant...No?

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:Comparing yet another 3/4 player to a 1st year player..

And...?

Another knocking of a kid who stayed in school?

Not at all, not mentioned in my writings..It is exactly as written..Comparing a player who has had time to work and polish his game over the years to a college freshman..Like Kaminsky against 1st year players..Those advantages are good for about two games..

Yet there are many players who never make significant improvements on the game they showed in a single year of college. You can also look back at the kids who came out of HS who never improved their games.

Not saying that I would take Anderson over Winslow, but Anderson has been a good defender and this year he showed excellent improvement in his stroke, especially from 3. That type of thing has to be considered.

See much significant improvement from Anthony Bennett, for example, in recent years? No guarantee that a player will improve, just as there is no guarantee that a 3 year player will carry over his success in college to the NBA.

Anderson is another physical freak, and already has the body for the NBA...the fact that he has improved upon his shooting, and demonstrated that improvement this year for a season, and not just a workout, is significant...No?

I have not said anything about Andersen's skills..What I said is that he is being compared to a kid in his first year of play..I'm highlight the fact that Winslow is being judge at an early point in his career or before he had a chance to work on his skills..You just asked me if I'm knocking him for staying in school and I said no...Bennette was slated to be 8-10th pick...Cleveland got ahead of themselves selecting him 1..

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:Comparing yet another 3/4 player to a 1st year player..

And...?

Another knocking of a kid who stayed in school?

Not at all, not mentioned in my writings..It is exactly as written..Comparing a player who has had time to work and polish his game over the years to a college freshman..Like Kaminsky against 1st year players..Those advantages are good for about two games..

Yet there are many players who never make significant improvements on the game they showed in a single year of college. You can also look back at the kids who came out of HS who never improved their games.

Not saying that I would take Anderson over Winslow, but Anderson has been a good defender and this year he showed excellent improvement in his stroke, especially from 3. That type of thing has to be considered.

See much significant improvement from Anthony Bennett, for example, in recent years? No guarantee that a player will improve, just as there is no guarantee that a 3 year player will carry over his success in college to the NBA.

Anderson is another physical freak, and already has the body for the NBA...the fact that he has improved upon his shooting, and demonstrated that improvement this year for a season, and not just a workout, is significant...No?

I have not said anything about Andersen's skills..What I said is that he is being compared to a kid in his first year of play..I'm highlight the fact that Winslow is being judge at an early point in his career or before he had a chance to work on his skills..You just asked me if I'm knocking him for staying in school and I said no...Bennette was slated to be 8-10th pick...Cleveland got ahead of themselves selecting him 1..

At the same time, we've seen a guy like Howard who has not made the kind of progress as a player that I thought he would make coming out of HS. You have a player like Shump, with all his physical ability not being able to take the next step. Thabeet is another good example to look at in the "not everyone improves" category.

I would personally take Winslow over Anderson, but that does not guarantee that Winslow will be the better NBA player 5 years from now, or that he will be an efficient scorer off the dribble.

Kaminsky gets kudos from me because he's significantly improved his game during his years of college, and seems to still be improving. Can I be sure that players like Turner or Johnson will improve their games as much? Same goes for Mudiay, or Porzingis, for that matter.

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:Comparing yet another 3/4 player to a 1st year player..

And...?

Another knocking of a kid who stayed in school?

Not at all, not mentioned in my writings..It is exactly as written..Comparing a player who has had time to work and polish his game over the years to a college freshman..Like Kaminsky against 1st year players..Those advantages are good for about two games..

Yet there are many players who never make significant improvements on the game they showed in a single year of college. You can also look back at the kids who came out of HS who never improved their games.

Not saying that I would take Anderson over Winslow, but Anderson has been a good defender and this year he showed excellent improvement in his stroke, especially from 3. That type of thing has to be considered.

See much significant improvement from Anthony Bennett, for example, in recent years? No guarantee that a player will improve, just as there is no guarantee that a 3 year player will carry over his success in college to the NBA.

Anderson is another physical freak, and already has the body for the NBA...the fact that he has improved upon his shooting, and demonstrated that improvement this year for a season, and not just a workout, is significant...No?

I have not said anything about Andersen's skills..What I said is that he is being compared to a kid in his first year of play..I'm highlight the fact that Winslow is being judge at an early point in his career or before he had a chance to work on his skills..You just asked me if I'm knocking him for staying in school and I said no...Bennette was slated to be 8-10th pick...Cleveland got ahead of themselves selecting him 1..

My issue is that seeing a player improve over a period of time, whenever that is, impresses me. We saw DLee improve his game while a Knick, and we've seen James add a new wrinkle to his game each year.

At the same time, we've seen a guy like Howard who has not made the kind of progress as a player that I thought he would make coming out of HS. You have a player like Shump, with all his physical ability not being able to take the next step. Thabeet is another good example to look at in the "not everyone improves" category.

I would personally take Winslow over Anderson, but that does not guarantee that Winslow will be the better NBA player 5 years from now, or that he will be an efficient scorer off the dribble.

Kaminsky gets kudos from me because he's significantly improved his game during his years of college, and seems to still be improving. Can I be sure that players like Turner or Johnson will improve their games as much? Same goes for Mudiay, or Porzingis, for that matter.

And on the other hand, it doesn't mean that because a player improve that his skills will translate to the NBA..Fredette improved in college and his game didn't translate..Wall and Rose were raw and their games improved over the years..Cousins, the same thing..It's seems the more athletic a player you are then there seems to be a chance of improving with time and work...Paul George, DeRozan, Rain Man, etc...

Wall, Rose, and Cousins already had tons of skill. I think Wall and Cousins have made greater gains than Rose, who, to me, is essentially the player he was in college- a shooting PG.

Fredette was a reach, though, and he has not improved like some thought he would.

BRIGGS wrote:1st year 3rd year this guy is NBA. While watching the NBA finals I see just how valuable a guy like this is with his combination of 3 point shooting diversified defense and what looks like an implementation of a dribble drive game that should continue to get better and better. Hes got a quick pure 3 and his combination of power/ athletic ability will allow him to expand everything in his game. This is your perfect 3 and D guy.

I think you sometimes over look the fact that the jump from college to NBA is big and even these kids that had great college careers or were great in whatever time they spent in college can easily be a bust in the NBA. This is the mental part of the game that NOBODY can predict. I think from what i've seen of Anderson he'll be just fine in the NBA but me saying that means absolutely nothing cause i or anyone don't know for sure cause all we can do is assume.

holfresh wrote:
U do know Rose was MVP of this league before he got hurt right??..U do know that DHow was beasting and took his team to the Finals in Orlando before he got hurt..

Gets by on his amazing physical ability, but he still has the primitive post game that he came into the league with, for the most part, and he has been unable to improve his foul shooting to the point where it is a detriment.

Would I want him on the Knicks, though...hell yes.

DeRozan has become a much better shooter- still has trouble with the 3, but I would not have been upset if we had drafted him- Phil would like him a lot, I think. George got better, still has many terrible shooting games from the outside, but he's a warrior. Kemp did develop a good jumper.

Would like to see how many HS players became "polished pros" by the time they left the league, though. I would expect that the number is very small.

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:
U do know Rose was MVP of this league before he got hurt right??..U do know that DHow was beasting and took his team to the Finals in Orlando before he got hurt..

Rose never became the "he makes everyone better" type player, which I expect from any PG, and Howard is a stud, but if you look at his fundamentals, he has not improved much.

Gets by on his amazing physical ability, but he still has the primitive post game that he came into the league with, for the most part, and he has been unable to improve his foul shooting to the point where it is a detriment.

Would I want him on the Knicks, though...hell yes.

DeRozan has become a much better shooter- still has trouble with the 3, but I would not have been upset if we had drafted him- Phil would like him a lot, I think. George got better, still has many terrible shooting games from the outside, but he's a warrior. Kemp did develop a good jumper.

Would like to see how many HS players became "polished pros" by the time they left the league, though. I would expect that the number is very small.

Wade, Charlmers and Bosh are the same they are now minus LeBron as with LeBron and prior to LeBron..