At the end of the day, if phil would have left every member of last season on the roster, we would actually have more cap space. By doing what he did, he put an enormous amount of pressure on himself.

I still think this was a perfect example of "SHOOT FIRST ASK QUESTIONS LATER" and I know if phil was more humble, he would admit to it..I know if it was me I would be completely embarrassed, especially after landing the 4th pick. If phil fcks this draft up, and can't get any respectable FA's to sign, what do you think will happen?

As the Cleveland Cavaliers make a run through the playoffs with two former Knicks players who were traded away for a future second round draft pick (and cap space), Knicks fans have been left wondering how much their team gave up for their future.

Amar’e Stoudemire, the longtime Knicks player whose release from the team was announced during this season’s All-Star game, doesn’t necessarily think they’re wrong.

When asked if the franchise was too hasty in cutting ties with himself, Tyson Chandler, J.R. Smith, Pablo Prigioni and Iman Shumpert after Phil Jackson became the team president, he said it was “risky” move.

“I think the team — we had a great roster,” he said. “I think it just took time for us to gel and figure it out. To break a team up so soon in the first year I thought was a little bit risky but I mean, who am I? I’m not the judge, I’m not the guy who makes the calls, I’m just playing the game of basketball and trying to be successful at it.”

Shortly after Smith and Shumpert were traded, Chandler, who was traded before the start of the season said he didn’t really know what the Knicks management was thinking either. “You can see things not necessarily going in the right direction and it’s gonna take a while,” he told the New York Daily News at the time. “I didn’t necessarily think it was going to be this bad, to be quite honest.” Smith has also been outspoken about making the Knicks realize they made a mistake in trading him, even tweeting out a photo of Shumpert and himself in Knicks uniforms and Cavaliers uniforms with the comment “One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.”

But though they’re not together in New York anymore, Stoudemire said he has been watching the playoffs and cheering on his former teammates.

“I’ve been watching J.R., Iman Shumpert, I watched Prigioni — all my guys, all my peers who were with the Knicks being very successful with their teams I think because they have great leadership,” he said. “I think they’re following good leadership and they’re doing well.”

His blow up gambit would've worked better if we'd gotten the first or second pick - then you could say hey, he sacrificed a season, but he got us a franchise player to pair with Melo.

My big complaint is that it would have been nice to get a first round pick from Dallas or Cleveland. Dallas has their own pick in this draft. I wanted that pick for Tyson. Cleveland received a pick from OKC in the trade and instead of sending it to us, they used it and another pick to get Mozgov. I think Phil needed to get a first round pick in that Shump/JR trade.

If we had those extra picks, we could potentially move up to the top 2 in this draft, or at least get some more good young pieces. He undervalued Tyson and Shump and JR - or at least sold when their stock was very very low and got a low return.

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:We wouldn't have the 4th pick in the draft if Phil had waited to make moves, in all likelihood.

His blow up gambit would've worked better if we'd gotten the first or second pick - then you could say hey, he sacrificed a season, but he got us a franchise player to pair with Melo.

My big complaint is that it would have been nice to get a first round pick from Dallas or Cleveland. Dallas has their own pick in this draft. I wanted that pick for Tyson. Cleveland received a pick from OKC in the trade and instead of sending it to us, they used it and another pick to get Mozgov. I think Phil needed to get a first round pick in that Shump/JR trade.

If we had those extra picks, we could potentially move up to the top 2 in this draft, or at least get some more good young pieces. He undervalued Tyson and Shump and JR - or at least sold when their stock was very very low and got a low return.

You never know where Dallas would have been by the deadline, though, and whether they would have even wanted Chandler.

Not getting more from the Cavs was terrible, but they knew we wanted to get rid of Smith.

They might have taken Chandler over Mosgov if it had turned out James wanted him. Cleveland 1's won't be that great, though...more like 2's, although they might have trade value, though.

Phil must have realized he was not going to keep Shumpert after this year, so offering him to them was not as difficult to do, but if you look at it now, we needed to get a little more back.

Has there been a time in recent years where we actually seemed to be dealing from strength in a deal?

We should have been dealing from a position of strength in the Melo deal. Walsh realized that, but Dolan forced Walsh to blink two days before the deadline because he did not. Then we might've never traded Mozgov in the first place.

2.With Shump an Tyson we would not have gotten the 4th pick. Yeah hypothetically we could have given them DNPs for the rest of the season , but that would have made them sulk even more and created some bad vibes in the locker room. Also, Shump JR and Tyson could not play in the triangle for one reason or another. Last Nail in the coffin for them.

ramtour420 wrote:I have 0 problems with the trades Phil made. Ok, well maybe not O, I have a little problem and I'll explain why. Everyone makes it seem like these were horrible trades, they really weren't.
1. Here is the biggest problem. Jr and Shump should not have been traded to Cleveland of all places, I don't care if we gave them away for a bag of Cheetos to a different team( preferably in the west) JR is still JR and Shump well just see point #2. The mistake lies in giving them to the biggest obstacle in basketball that we will have in the playoffs for years to come WITHOUT AT LEAST SOMEWHAT DRAINING THEM OF THEIR ASSETS. Not talkin getting asserts back, talking about removing assets from THEM. Made it so much more difficult to compete again them, again, for years to come. They were tight and we gave them room to breathe( Cleveland that is) The lesser problem is not getting enough value, and that is growing pains for Phil as a GM. I can live with that just like I could live with growing pains for a rookie player.

2.With Shump an Tyson we would not have gotten the 4th pick. Yeah hypothetically we could have given them DNPs for the rest of the season , but that would have made them sulk even more and created some bad vibes in the locker room. Also, Shump JR and Tyson could not play in the triangle for one reason or another. Last Nail in the coffin for them.

I guess Phil does know how to build a championship team.....Giving them JR and Shump was the missing pieces! Without them, I don't think they make it this far. Moz is also a key component, but I can't put that on Phil.

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I was really glad to see those guys go. Hopefully Early, Thanasis or even Calderon show something. Maybe Phil moves a future 2 to get one this year.

Why were you so happy to see them go, the only person TYSON had a real issue with was woodson because of his defensive philosophy. Shump and JR just needed more time in the system (even fisher knew that)and there's no way you can look at calderone as an improvement over FELTON when his defense is 100x worse.

What was really baffling was when Phil said he traded tyson because he didn't think he could resign him. Now I'm not going to lie, at first the trade didn't look as bad on paper, but the game is played on paper, and if phil makes trades base on stats, we are in deep trouble.

Im sure if PHIL JACKSON was running the GSW he would have easily gave up Klay in a package for Love, and probably through Green in there too

Because Tyson gave up and spent the year trying to sabotage the coach. He was constantly sick or hurt and when he played poorly he called out his teammates. He was being paid to be a leader and instead spent the year in the gms ear trying to get the coach fired and didn't show up on the court. Tyson's behavior and play when he was being paid to be a high character leader with a championship pedigree was ridiculous.