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The case for Cameron Payne
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6/6/2015  5:58 PM
Don't know much about him, but he looks awesome in the vids I've seen. I know a lot of people wanted Russell, but Payne seems to be be a good fall back option- looks very smooth, is very smart and has a good feel for the game. Physically, he doesn't look ready for the NBA, which is the main concern.

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6/6/2015  6:32 PM
Stephen Curry 2.0. The team that drafts him will love him.
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6/6/2015  6:38 PM
knickscity wrote:Stephen Curry 2.0. The team that drafts him will love him.
Agree. He looks really good. He is also one of the few guys that I have read scouting reports on where it talks about his leadership qualities.
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6/6/2015  6:46 PM
This was on the Knicks blog a few days ago.

Keith Schlosser, Lead Writer

With the 2015 NBA Draft just weeks away, the Knicks are in somewhat of a tricky spot with the fourth overall pick. The obvious top-two players will likely be off the board, so it’s up to New York to determine whether or not any prospect available at number four can be considered a game-changer, or if the franchise will be better suited trading down and getting something else of value in the process.
When considering the latter option, Murray State point guard Cameron Payne ranks high on the team’s list among players to take later in the draft, multiple sources tell TheKnicksBlog.com and SNY.tv.

The Knicks like Payne, who is widely regarded as one of the best passers in the draft. He averaged 20.3 points, six assists, and 1.8 steals through 33 games for Murray State last season. He’s an arguably more natural point guard than some of the more talented combo guards (a la D’Angelo Russell and/or Emmanuel Mudiay) in the draft.
Payne is quick, agile, and has the ability to find his teammates in transition, but at just 183 pounds, he needs to fill out his frame a bit more as he heads to the NBA. His overall game can stand to improve, naturally, but if Phil Jackson is able to surround Carmelo Anthony with additional shooters who can help spread the floor and play at a quick pace, Payne would fit in nicely with the Knicks.

New York’s most pressing needs are arguably a big man and secondary scorer, but there’s no denying Jose Calderon and his large contract continue to be shopped after he failed to meet team expectations last season. Building from the ground up, the Knicks truly need a little bit of everything with many voids to fill. Trading down could allow them to fulfill two different needs (a point guard like Payne and possibly another veteran player), if they feel as though the other players available at four aren’t likely to make that much more of an impact.

Payne is projected to be selected in the draft anywhere from the tail end of the lottery into the early twenties. That said, he’s quickly gaining momentum in his placement as teams continue to learn more and more about him as he attends team workouts. One source asserts that the Knicks would be more inclined to take him later in the lottery, if they were able to trade down.

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6/6/2015  6:54 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:Stephen Curry 2.0. The team that drafts him will love him.
Agree. He looks really good. He is also one of the few guys that I have read scouting reports on where it talks about his leadership qualities.

Very true. He's one of the few I would trade down for.
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6/6/2015  7:47 PM
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knickscity wrote:Stephen Curry 2.0. The team that drafts him will love him.
Agree. He looks really good. He is also one of the few guys that I have read scouting reports on where it talks about his leadership qualities.

Doesn't have the stroke or release to be Curry 2.0. Looks like a player though.

I think the Pacers also worked him out, as well as OKC.

He seems to be gaining steam at this point from what I've read.

Crafty little lefty, though. Does he fit the Triangle, and is his size an issue. Lots to think about in this draft.


Check out Nate Archibald for a better comparison, perhaps. Only player to ever lead the league in assists and scoring the same year.

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6/6/2015  8:00 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:Stephen Curry 2.0. The team that drafts him will love him.
Agree. He looks really good. He is also one of the few guys that I have read scouting reports on where it talks about his leadership qualities.

Doesn't have the stroke or release to be Curry 2.0. Looks like a player though.

Just a snippet...

As former Murray State point guard Cameron Payne goes through his morning pre-draft workout at the IMG Academy in Florida, a number of insults are shouted at him.

“Nobody even knows who you are! You’re too small! You aren’t good enough to play in the NBA! No top programs recruited you out of high school! You can’t compete with the elite point guards!”

No, these aren’t haters or hecklers who are criticizing Payne. These are his IMG pre-draft coaches, yelling these things because the 2015 NBA Draft prospect loves to be taunted as he goes through his various drills and shooting exercises. The coaches also do this to see how he responds to the ribbing.

Rather than getting frustrated or distracted, the barrage of put-downs motivates him and he elevates his game. He clenches his teeth, and proceeds to hit shot after shot. With each make, he’s gaining confidence and yelling back.

“Keep talking!” Payne shouts. “I won’t miss if you keep talking. What else do you got?”

He loves following up each insult with a swish. After a little while, he steps far behind the NBA three-point line and continues to knock down jumpers with ease. Soon, he’s firing up shots with a lightning quick release and turning around to talk trash before the ball even goes in – Stephen Curry style.

As the verbal jabs keep coming and the shots keep falling, he’s no longer clenching his teeth or sporting a death stare. Now, he’s grinning and exuding swagger. He loves the reminders that he has been doubted his whole life, that nobody thought he’d be in this position. Yet here he is, several weeks away from turning his NBA dream into reality.

“It definitely fuels my fire,” Payne said with a smile when asked about this trash talking with his trainers. “I’m the underdog. I’ve been overlooked. When people say these things, it’s nothing new. I’ve heard it all before. I’m just here to do my Cam Payne thing.”

“I think it definitely motivates him and, look, he’s never been stopped,” said IMG Academy’s Head Skills Trainer Dan Barto. “His whole life he’s been told little things about his game, but he’s always found a way to succeed. Some of our coaches, who are former players themselves, have tried to get under his skin to see how high he can notch up [his game]. That’s something that a lot of the best players can do – the guys like Chauncey Billups, who I trained when I first started here, and Iman Shumpert, who I train every summer. Those guys have that same mode where as soon as you start talking trash, they’re like, ‘Okay, keep going. I’m going to show you. You’re going to end up looking bad.’ Cam is the same way.”

The insults directed at Payne seem laughable these days, since he was outstanding during his sophomore season at Murray State and he’s been equally impressive during the pre-draft process. Lately, he has been generating a lot of buzz and impressing NBA executives. He’s improving his stock and climbing draft boards rapidly, to the point that league sources believe he has a promise from a team picking in the lottery – perhaps even in the top 10. It seems inevitable that he’ll be selected very early on the night of June 25.

But it wasn’t long ago that some of those criticisms that were shouted were actually used to describe Payne and discredit his game, and that’s something he’ll never forget. He was a three-star recruit coming out of high school at Lausanne Collegiate School in Memphis, and he wasn’t even ranked nationally by some recruiting services. He was told that he didn’t have the size or talent to be a star in college, and bigger schools didn’t recruit him.


http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-cameron-payne-lottery-pick-2015-nba-draft/

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6/6/2015  8:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/6/2015  8:08 PM
anyone else see a Jeff Teague clone? IF okc is truly high on him then that is very high praise and should be someone other teams consider. OKC can identify talent in the draft.

It would be nice to know if OKC thought highly of Stein, Mudiay, or Winslow

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6/6/2015  8:07 PM
smackeddog wrote:Don't know much about him, but he looks awesome in the vids I've seen. I know a lot of people wanted Russell, but Payne seems to be be a good fall back option- looks very smooth, is very smart and has a good feel for the game. Physically, he doesn't look ready for the NBA, which is the main concern.


I posted earlier that he's going in for a workout for the Knicks. I really like the kid and think he'll be a great PG in the NBA.
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6/6/2015  8:11 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:anyone else see a Jeff Teague clone? IF okc is truly high on him then that is very high praise and should be someone other teams consider. OKC can identify talent in the draft.

It would be nice to know if OKC thought highly of Stein, Mudiay, or Winslow


He's almost exactly like Teague. I mentioned that earlier. Not a bad thing to add to your team.
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6/6/2015  8:12 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:anyone else see a Jeff Teague clone? IF okc is truly high on him then that is very high praise and should be someone other teams consider. OKC can identify talent in the draft.

It would be nice to know if OKC thought highly of Stein, Mudiay, or Winslow


they probably do have an opinion of those players, but they know all of them should be gone before they select. I honestly dont see jeff teague, i mentioned Curry because that's who he patterns his game after. He also has a steadiness of a younger Mike Conley. Either way, whomever drafts will get a hell of a player.
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6/6/2015  8:12 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:Stephen Curry 2.0. The team that drafts him will love him.
Agree. He looks really good. He is also one of the few guys that I have read scouting reports on where it talks about his leadership qualities.

Doesn't have the stroke or release to be Curry 2.0. Looks like a player though.

I think the Pacers also worked him out, as well as OKC.

He seems to be gaining steam at this point from what I've read.

Crafty little lefty, though. Does he fit the Triangle, and is his size an issue. Lots to think about in this draft.


Check out Nate Archibald for a better comparison, perhaps. Only player to ever lead the league in assists and scoring the same year.


I saw something that said OKC told him if he makes it to their pick that they will take him.
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6/6/2015  8:25 PM
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:anyone else see a Jeff Teague clone? IF okc is truly high on him then that is very high praise and should be someone other teams consider. OKC can identify talent in the draft.

It would be nice to know if OKC thought highly of Stein, Mudiay, or Winslow


they probably do have an opinion of those players, but they know all of them should be gone before they select. I honestly dont see jeff teague, i mentioned Curry because that's who he patterns his game after. He also has a steadiness of a younger Mike Conley. Either way, whomever drafts will get a hell of a player.

Really, i see him as an less explosive Teague. Their size, height, and length are nearly the same. I didn't like that he finished so poorly in a weak conference. That may go back to his lack of explosiveness. The weakness video said he took 67 sots at the rim compared to 105 floaters. That's good practice on the floaters but shooting 53.7% at the rim is not going to cut it. That explosiveness is what separates teague, lillard, and co from the others. He is definitely an intriguing prospect but I just do not see how the knicks get in a position to draft him.

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6/6/2015  9:16 PM
His stock is really rising. Sacramento is rumored to want him but apparently there are rumors that he might not be there at 6. Article from a Sac blog. Couldn't copy it because they have tweets embedded and they wouldn't copy.
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/6/6/8741045/nba-draft-rumors-cameron-payne-sacramento-kings
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6/6/2015  9:19 PM
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Russell is special, but Cameron Payne is in the same class when it comes to playmaking

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6/6/2015  9:55 PM
and here are his weaknesses...
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6/6/2015  10:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/6/2015  10:18 PM
Well Gustav finally made it to Seattle, almost 3 weeks after he started. Got his first speeding ticket in 25 years. Ugh.

Wish Phil would channel his inner Dolan and plug the leaks, if this isnt a smokescreen. All he is doing by letting it slip that he might want to draft a player is making it harder for him to be drafted.

Even if Phil isn't batting a .1000 with his draft picks, he is respected enough to raise a player's draft value. He told everyone he wanted to hire Steve Kerr, and look what happened.

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6/6/2015  10:49 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:Stephen Curry 2.0. The team that drafts him will love him.
Agree. He looks really good. He is also one of the few guys that I have read scouting reports on where it talks about his leadership qualities.

Doesn't have the stroke or release to be Curry 2.0. Looks like a player though.

I think the Pacers also worked him out, as well as OKC.

He seems to be gaining steam at this point from what I've read.

Crafty little lefty, though. Does he fit the Triangle, and is his size an issue. Lots to think about in this draft.


Check out Nate Archibald for a better comparison, perhaps. Only player to ever lead the league in assists and scoring the same year.


I saw something that said OKC told him if he makes it to their pick that they will take him.

Think I read the same thing. Give Westbrook a break or let him slide over to the 2 and play them together?

Agent talk, perhaps? Always a lot of jockeying going on at this time, usually caused by agents.

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6/7/2015  12:00 AM
Hoops rumors said the Lakers are also working out Payne.
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6/7/2015  12:59 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Hoops rumors said the Lakers are also working out Payne.

Interesting, given the OKC "guarantee."

Payne might want to play in LA, but they would be taking him at #27, not sure he would be that happy.


One columnist quoted Kupchak as not wanting 3 rookies on his roster next season.

Would love to get that 27th pick, somehow, if the above rumor is true.

Time for Phil to use that Zen charm on his girl

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