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Rosey wrote:Interesting recent article on Grantland about the evolution of the 3pt shot and how it's changed the game. Many old school types still do not like the over-reliance. Bird, Riley, Popavich, Karl, Jackson, etc. Pops doesn't like it but has adapted to the trend. Do you guys agree that this is the way it is and are you cool with it?. I would like to see more inside-outside balance. Seems like a lot of offenses now are predicated on high pick-and-rolls and spacing to the corners. It has high entertainment value and the league is all about $$$. GSW are great shooters and Curry can shoot off his dribble - but they also play strong team defense. I coach young kids and when you see them practicing and playing around, they are all trying to jack up 3 pointers. They are not learning enough total skills. Do you think it's just a current trend or a permanent game change? It will be harder and harder to compare players and teams from different eras.

Lot of rushed 3s by GS yesterday in the beginning.

GS also has the best shooting backcourt in the game, which sometimes makes up for bad shot selection.

Balance and moderation are how you should operate your offense. When you watch GS you get the feeling that almost every player on the court for them is relaxed and confident when they have an open shot, even though you have Curry and Thompson to carry you at times.

On of my big issues with the Knicks has revolved around my feeling that some players shied away from being more aggressive on offense because of a reliance on Anthony, or JR Smith, last year. You still wonder if the Anthony will totally buy into an offense which spreads scoring around and limits his touches at times.

I almost guarantee you that this was the conflict James had with Blatt, and it is obvious that James won, from what I can see. Having a guy like James who enjoys passing helps, but it is still isolation ball.

GS's offense has a lot of movement, and guys are always cutting to the basket. Not as much standing around like what you saw with the Cavs. The classic pick and roll between Irving and Mosgov might have been their most successful play yesterday, but there was too much 1/1 with James and Irving, even though some of it was successful.

Not as many ISO drives and kickouts from Lebron, yesterday, if I remember correctly- says something about GS's D. The final shot in regulation time was pathetic.

Funny thing- a few years ago I though jump shooting was a lost art, as you had a lot of athletic guys who could finish on the break or dunk, yet they could not shoot a jumper.

Now you have a lot of bigs who can shoot the j and finish strong, but have no post-up games, and it almost seems they are better from the 3 than they are from midrange.

Might be a trend, who knows.

You are right about the D, and that is what makes GS different, as well as a deep bench.

however the 3 is going to still be in important and teams like the warriors will take advantage .. if you have a cpl of guys who are going to shoot >40% from 3 no matter where they are.. then taking anything other than a 3 doesn't make sense... but teams will find ways to mitigate that..

it won't be many which is why the warriors are going to go on a long run until teams figure it out....if they keep draymond they are going to be susceptible to teams that have good size and perimeter shooting... the grizzlies have half that formula but don't quite have the full arsenal to take them down...

the sixers.. if they develop their guys and keep getting good players... will be tailor made for that new era...

TripleThreat wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Are the "powers that be" in the NBA happy with the game as it is being played these days?

Any complaints from anywhere about the style of play?

The current game IMHO is still a byproduct of the David Stern Legacy.

With close contact, esp near the rim, the deciding factor was often which player was marketable and which player sold the most shoes and merchandise. Sad as that sounds, that was how so many aging stars lasted so long in the Stern era.

When you shoot a three point shot, even though it tends to operate in streaks ( which can swing so many offenses one way or another, depending on when your shot is falling or not), it cannot be jobbed by the refs.

People talk about Pippen and Jordan as all time great defenders, which is true.And their relentless work ethic, which is true too. What people don't want to talk about is the massive amount of free contact that those guys got away with each and every game.

The three point shot neutralized the "superstar" ref calls that were essentially freebies for the most marketable players. Stern couldn't give you series extending free throws or gimme points if you couldn't hit your threeball. And you could be the worst marketing oriented player in the league, and if you were rocking your three point shot, there was nothing Stern could do to cheat you without making it completely apparent to the TV replays.

IMHO Adam Silver is trying to balance the game back the other way. The league is moving away from the "Let's market the young high flying thug life narcissist with the biggest Nike commercial in a montage of slam dunks"

IMHO the revolution started way before Pringles, it started with Nellieball. With Manute Bol raining three point shots from downtown, which was unstoppable when he was on his game.

Those "high flying thug narcissist" took the game global and propelled it to where it is today...

holfresh wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Are the "powers that be" in the NBA happy with the game as it is being played these days?

Any complaints from anywhere about the style of play?

The current game IMHO is still a byproduct of the David Stern Legacy.

With close contact, esp near the rim, the deciding factor was often which player was marketable and which player sold the most shoes and merchandise. Sad as that sounds, that was how so many aging stars lasted so long in the Stern era.

When you shoot a three point shot, even though it tends to operate in streaks ( which can swing so many offenses one way or another, depending on when your shot is falling or not), it cannot be jobbed by the refs.

People talk about Pippen and Jordan as all time great defenders, which is true.And their relentless work ethic, which is true too. What people don't want to talk about is the massive amount of free contact that those guys got away with each and every game.

The three point shot neutralized the "superstar" ref calls that were essentially freebies for the most marketable players. Stern couldn't give you series extending free throws or gimme points if you couldn't hit your threeball. And you could be the worst marketing oriented player in the league, and if you were rocking your three point shot, there was nothing Stern could do to cheat you without making it completely apparent to the TV replays.

IMHO Adam Silver is trying to balance the game back the other way. The league is moving away from the "Let's market the young high flying thug life narcissist with the biggest Nike commercial in a montage of slam dunks"

IMHO the revolution started way before Pringles, it started with Nellieball. With Manute Bol raining three point shots from downtown, which was unstoppable when he was on his game.

Those "high flying thug narcissist" took the game global and propelled it to where it is today...