The starphuch in me wants to see LA bet blown away by Russell and Phily take Mundiay leaving oka4 for us, but he logical choice is we need more "luck".......And to be lucky we need opportunities and by trading down we get more of those. We can absorb come cap as well so getting some veteran contracts and more rookies should improve the team. 2016 free agent class would find a more balanced roster more attractive as well.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:There are still franchise potential guys available at 4. You don't trade down to minimize your chance at a franchise talent. We are desperate for a franchise changing player (who can eventually take over for Melo).

Knix the GS Warriors built their team on (2) 7 picks an 11 30 and 35.

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:There are still franchise potential guys available at 4. You don't trade down to minimize your chance at a franchise talent. We are desperate for a franchise changing player (who can eventually take over for Melo).

Knix the GS Warriors built their team on (2) 7 picks an 11 30 and 35.

It depends on the specifics of the deal but I agree with your approach. The same reason we want to trade down may be why other GMs won't want to trade up though

I think the attraction for WCS is going to be high. If I was the Knicks Id consider my position as number 1 in this draft and the compensation model that I agree with is the Chris Webber trade or close to it. Id stay tight too--Id be willing to pick WCS if I had multiple teams who wanted him and were just not coming up high enough--once hes on our team then he is truly our property. So lets ee who may want Mudiay or Stein and just how much they are willing to pay for him.

What if we could get WCS and Lawson.....pick Mudiay and trade him to denver. See the latest mock draft below......WCS goes to #7.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2015/6/1/8694611/lb-mock-draft-denver-nuggets-select-willie-cauley-stein-7th

Minnesota Timberwolves - Karl-Anthony Towns
Los Angeles Lakers - Jahlil Okafor
Philadelphia 76ers - D'Angelo Russell
New York Knicks - Emmanuel Mudiay
Orlando Magic - Mario Hezonja
Sacramento Kings - Justise Winslow
Denver Nuggets - Willie Cauley-Stein
Detroit Pistons - ???

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-turning-point-for-the-nuggets/

Even better.....Lawson....Farried. ....WCS

For

Mudiay and whatever it takes to make it work.

Fills multiple needs and still have cap room for a free agent splash....or save for next season.

WCS
Farried
Melo
Shved / Gallo
Lawson

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:There are still franchise potential guys available at 4. You don't trade down to minimize your chance at a franchise talent. We are desperate for a franchise changing player (who can eventually take over for Melo).

Knix the GS Warriors built their team on (2) 7 picks an 11 30 and 35.

Knicks1969 wrote:I am all for these types of deals. WCS and Winslow will be very valuable picks. However, if WCS proves that he can shoot the ball as reported, I would want to hold on to him. He is already an elite defender if you ask me; a little offense would be icing on the cake

If anybody wanted Towns......then WCS can have a similar impact. Towns problem will be learning how to play defense without fouling......WCS understands how to impact defense without getting in foul trouble. So all Towns fans should love WCS.....especially with his surprisingly offensive jumper.....which is the only knock on him. Hes the type of player to put up better numbers in the nba than in college. I dont know any big other than Noah....who is better at guarding PnR. Thats a huge advantage since all teams (except the knicks) run PnR plays.

blkexec wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:There are still franchise potential guys available at 4. You don't trade down to minimize your chance at a franchise talent. We are desperate for a franchise changing player (who can eventually take over for Melo).

Knix the GS Warriors built their team on (2) 7 picks an 11 30 and 35.

It depends on the specifics of the deal but I agree with your approach. The same reason we want to trade down may be why other GMs won't want to trade up though

I think the attraction for WCS is going to be high. If I was the Knicks Id consider my position as number 1 in this draft and the compensation model that I agree with is the Chris Webber trade or close to it. Id stay tight too--Id be willing to pick WCS if I had multiple teams who wanted him and were just not coming up high enough--once hes on our team then he is truly our property. So lets ee who may want Mudiay or Stein and just how much they are willing to pay for him.

What if we could get WCS and Lawson.....pick Mudiay and trade him to denver. See the latest mock draft below......WCS goes to #7.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2015/6/1/8694611/lb-mock-draft-denver-nuggets-select-willie-cauley-stein-7th

Minnesota Timberwolves - Karl-Anthony Towns
Los Angeles Lakers - Jahlil Okafor
Philadelphia 76ers - D'Angelo Russell
New York Knicks - Emmanuel Mudiay
Orlando Magic - Mario Hezonja
Sacramento Kings - Justise Winslow
Denver Nuggets - Willie Cauley-Stein
Detroit Pistons - ???

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-turning-point-for-the-nuggets/

Even better.....Lawson....Farried. ....WCS

For

Mudiay and whatever it takes to make it work.

Fills multiple needs and still have cap room for a free agent splash....or save for next season.

WCS
Farried
Melo
Shved / Gallo
Lawson

WCS
Farried
Melo
Carrol
Lawson

Cant get any better than this.....Trading with Denver woukd be ideal. Assuming WCS isnt picked at 5 or 6.....if so, you still have Mudiay with superstar potential.

I would absolutely consider this trade... but I don't see Denver giving up Faried AND Lawson AND 7. If they did... that's a no brainer... though I don't think Stein makes it past Sacramento at 6.

BRIGGS wrote:Since we can get Towns or Okafor for me the equation that I have believed in is a multi asset trade down.

Lets take our position of strength at 4 and turn it into a higher CUMULATIVE return. A Money ball approach. Maybe we get 2 picks and a young player plus a solid draft choice where we can still take a player of value to the team.

The A's have used this approach for years and they are always in the playoffs.

I just tried to use this as example.

If we did get Kaminsky and then we added Wilson Chandler and a 2016 1st round pick----and this is just example--is the cumulative return higher than just Mudiay? If you believe Mudiay is the next Magic then no its not. If you believe hes a good player but can be marginalized by what we already have then your answer might be yes even if Mudiay end s up the better player.

I like this kid Fuzaro. If the Knicks got kaminsky Fuzaro a solid NBA player and a restricted 2016 pick--that would be golden.

Here is the position of strength the Knicks are in. We OWN WCS we own him right now hes ours. HOW much will a team pay us for him if he is wanted that bad. The return has to be exceptional and it could be if we get teams bidding in. You guys got it? Im just making examples of trades--perhaps we can get even higher value back. The first 3 picks are dead set--we are the players. We OWN the draft from 4.

I'm intrigued most by a trade down scenario Briggs but unfortunately the guy I would target in a trade down is none other than WCS. That said I'd also be ok with some other players like Porzingis, Winslow, etc.

It really comes down to who do the Knicks covet the most and if they think they can get that player at #5, #6, #7, #8 or down the line -- what can they get in return for moving out of that #4 slot.

Given our current roster depletion --- I'm hoping we can at least work a 2-1 type deal where we slide down a couple of spots but still get a high draft pick of Phil's preference.

blkexec wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:There are still franchise potential guys available at 4. You don't trade down to minimize your chance at a franchise talent. We are desperate for a franchise changing player (who can eventually take over for Melo).

Knix the GS Warriors built their team on (2) 7 picks an 11 30 and 35.

It depends on the specifics of the deal but I agree with your approach. The same reason we want to trade down may be why other GMs won't want to trade up though

I think the attraction for WCS is going to be high. If I was the Knicks Id consider my position as number 1 in this draft and the compensation model that I agree with is the Chris Webber trade or close to it. Id stay tight too--Id be willing to pick WCS if I had multiple teams who wanted him and were just not coming up high enough--once hes on our team then he is truly our property. So lets ee who may want Mudiay or Stein and just how much they are willing to pay for him.

What if we could get WCS and Lawson.....pick Mudiay and trade him to denver. See the latest mock draft below......WCS goes to #7.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2015/6/1/8694611/lb-mock-draft-denver-nuggets-select-willie-cauley-stein-7th

Minnesota Timberwolves - Karl-Anthony Towns
Los Angeles Lakers - Jahlil Okafor
Philadelphia 76ers - D'Angelo Russell
New York Knicks - Emmanuel Mudiay
Orlando Magic - Mario Hezonja
Sacramento Kings - Justise Winslow
Denver Nuggets - Willie Cauley-Stein
Detroit Pistons - ???

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-turning-point-for-the-nuggets/

Even better.....Lawson....Farried. ....WCS

For

Mudiay and whatever it takes to make it work.

Fills multiple needs and still have cap room for a free agent splash....or save for next season.

WCS
Farried
Melo
Shved / Gallo
Lawson

WCS
Farried
Melo
Carrol
Lawson

Cant get any better than this.....Trading with Denver woukd be ideal. Assuming WCS isnt picked at 5 or 6.....if so, you still have Mudiay with superstar potential.

? Your starting frontline cant shoot.