nixluva wrote:Too bad that reports are saying Russell showed impressive hops. That probably keeps him in the top 3. If he's as athletic as Mudiay then it's really no contest, you take Russell who has the shooting already.

Winslow and WCS being 4-5 is very interesting. For one thing Winslow is a 2 way player and now it seems that WCS might have just enough offense to make him a worthy pick. If he's at 5 you can take him at 4 and not be perceived as a reach. The Knicks don't really need a wing as much as they need a big to anchor the D. My money is on WCS at #4.

Kaminsky is rising and really he should be. There's so much risk with guys like KrisP and IMO Mario Hezonja too. Why not just take Kaminsky who has proven he's dependable rather than risk on Hezonja or perhaps even Mudiay. Yes Hezonja and Mudiay have the upside but that's also a huge risk cuz neither guy has proven anything. If I was picking 5 or 6 i'm seriously considering Kaminsky.

 1	Karl Towns  PF/C
19 yrs; 7'0"; 248 lbs.
Kentucky, Fr
 2	Jahlil Okafor  C
19 yrs; 6'11"; 272 lbs.
Duke, Fr
 3	D'Angelo Russell  PG/SG
19 yrs; 6'5"; 193 lbs.
Ohio State, Fr
 4	Justise Winslow  SF
19 yrs; 6'7"; 222 lbs.
Duke, Fr
 5	Willie Cauley-Stein  C
21 yrs; 7'1"; 242 lbs.
Kentucky, Jr
 6	Emmanuel Mudiay  PG
19 yrs; 6'5"; 200 lbs.
Guangdong, Intl
 7	Mario Hezonja  SG
20 yrs; 6'8"; 200 lbs.
Barcelona, Intl
 8	Frank Kaminsky  PF
22 yrs; 7'1"; 231 lbs.
Wisconsin, Sr
 9	Kristaps Porzingis  PF
19 yrs; 7'0"; 220 lbs.
Sevilla, Intl
 10	Stanley Johnson  SF
19 yrs; 6'7"; 242 lbs.
Arizona, Fr

http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3bsXCZoJu

If Winslow can use the dribble just tad better he does have a chance to be a really good--there is room and possibility there. It really comes down to how skilled he is with the dribble. The shot is there even if he had a low % on the move. Only a few athletes in this draft skilled and powerful enough to finish at the rim off the dribble. Thats why I like Fuzaro but hes 6-4 190 and Winslow is a beast at 6-6 225.

BRIGGS wrote:I dont see any Knick fan complaining if its Winslow. Its a safe pick for the franchise in almost every way. You get a smart athletic two way player with upside. There is a % chance he could be the BPA in the entire draft(although I suspect that Towns will get that award.

I like Winslow, but people will celebrate his drafting then shamelessly blast it a few years later when the higher risk players over take him.

callmened wrote:im not a winslow fan...im worried about his outside shooting (his shot takes a million yrs to get off. lol) and its improved but not great. also im not sure of his creativity with the ball. overall yes i think he'll be a solid NBA player. at the very least he'll be an elite wing defender. but to me hes replaceable - there are several wings that can do what he does. therefore at pick #4 id want more of a gamechanger. i wouldnt draft him at #4 for the same reasons i wouldnt draft WCS at #4 - going to be a good pro but im not sure hes a gamechanger

+1

Mudiay all day.

I don't just want a serviceable selection (e.g. Jordon Hill) at 4, I want whoever has the potential to be a star (in this system.) Don't cave in to Melo, he has 3 years or so left.

Cartman718 wrote:yes this needs to be a home run pick, originally i thought that jax would trade down from 4 (and he still might), but whatever pick he lands on... he has the balls to make a high risk high reward pick if necessary.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I think I could live with trading down if we got WCS and another potential great player. It all depends on how Mudiay does in his workouts. There is always the chance he gets picked before us if he wows. Don't forget, he is a 6'5" PG with some serious skills.

Cartman718 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:yes this needs to be a home run pick, originally i thought that jax would trade down from 4 (and he still might), but whatever pick he lands on... he has the balls to make a high risk high reward pick if necessary.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I think I could live with trading down if we got WCS and another potential great player. It all depends on how Mudiay does in his workouts. There is always the chance he gets picked before us if he wows. Don't forget, he is a 6'5" PG with some serious skills.

this is where we differ... i don't think his skills are THAT serious. he is a liability on offense.

Unfortunately theres no homerun swings when you get a #4 slider.....the best you can hope for is that he make contact and dont strike out.

Winslow and WCS is like a guarantee Derek Jeter swing. Mudiay could be the last homerun swing available.

Picks 1-3 is like getting that fast ball and knowing it.....you're more likely to hit it out of the park.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont see any Knick fan complaining if its Winslow. Its a safe pick for the franchise in almost every way. You get a smart athletic two way player with upside. There is a % chance he could be the BPA in the entire draft(although I suspect that Towns will get that award.

I like Winslow, but people will celebrate his drafting then shamelessly blast it a few years later when the higher risk players over take him.