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Knicks1969
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6/1/2015  4:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/1/2015  4:23 PM
This kid is still very young and already demonstrated an ability to be a very good player. If Phil were the coach, I could see him playing this dude in the manner he used Pippen and Odom. As such, I believe if Towns and Russell are not on the board at four, we are to look to trade the pick for a chance to draft two players (Lyles and Winslow). They are both capable two-way players and are from upscale college programs. I don't know if it will be possible, but I would love to add those two kids to our roster.

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Strengths: Has good size, strength, and an excellent frame ... Great length (nearly 7’4 wingspan) ... Very smooth player with good touch ... Improving conditioning ... Good physical tools ... Nice upper body strength ... High basketball IQ ... Knows when to cut to the basket and when to drift out to the perimeter for an open shot ... Does the little things well and hustles ... Fundamentally sound ... Sets solid screens for teammates ... Versatile and a do-it-all player ... Can score from numerous spots on the floor ... Smooth offensive game ...Very skilled player on offense ... Can score the ball in a multitude of ways from inside or outside ... Good (but not great) outside shooter ... Nice form on his jumper ... Capable of knocking down open 3-pointers and can space the floor ... High release point on jump shot ... Great spot up shooter and can pull up from mid-range ... At his best offensively when’s he’s in the post/paint ... Displays polished footwork, good body control, and a soft touch around the rim … Patient on offense ... Has a variety of post up and face up moves ... Can score with his back to the basket ... Possesses an effective spin move ... Able to finish at the rim through contact ... Can score with jump hooks and mid-range jumpers (15 to 18 feet from basket) ... Capable of scoring with both hands ... Savvy shot creator off the dribble/can put the ball on the floor ... Attacks the basket well when bigger/slower players are defending him on the perimeter ...Willing passer with good court vision and feel for the game ... Effective passer out of the post and out of dribble drive penetration ... Has shown that he could be a good ball handler and distributor from both forward spots ... Active and aggressively goes after defensive and offensive boards ... Can rebound in traffic ... Runs the floor will in transition ... His length allows him to bother shooters on the perimeter and force them into bad shots ... Can be versatile on the defensive end in terms of guarding more than one position ... Plays physical, tough, and is reliable and a hard worker ...

Weaknesses: Does not do one thing at an elite level ... Not a high flyer. A smooth athlete, but not very explosive ... Remains to be seen, but could potentially be relegated to a stretch 4 at the next level because of his lack of explosiveness ... Not especially quick, lacks speed ... Needs to improve his on-ball defense ... Does not possess great lateral quickness, which results in him getting beat off the bounce too often ... Struggles with defending quicker players ... Not overly athletic (for NBA’s standards) ... Inconsistent and struggles from the 3-point line (currently shooting 13 percent) ... Does not overmatch anyone on offense with the strength he has ... Needs to add more strength to his build and bulk up ... Slow-footed … Is not known for his shot blocking/rim protecting abilities … Does not have the abilities to be a good individual defender right now, especially in space ... Does not come up with many steals ... Average low post and perimeter defender ... Was asked to play as a 3 for much of the time, which played to his strengths as a face up scorer, but didn't help to improve upon his back to the basket skills ...

Notes: Although he’s sometimes Kentucky’s forgotten man and most underrated player, NBA talent evaluators know the potential he possesses ... The former Mr. Indiana Basketball has an old man’s game, but would most certainly be racking up double-doubles for any other school that is not loaded with front court players like the Wildcats ... Lyles is gifted offensively, and is very productive as a post player even though he’s played out of position (at the 3 instead of the 4) for most of the year ... It may be easy to forget because he’s surrounded by so much size, but he is a 6-foot-10 235-pounder who can handle the ball, is a good passer, and can knock down shots from various spots on the floor, though he does not hit 3-pointers consistently yet ... His overall season averages do not jump out at you (8.7 points on 49 percent shooting, 5.4 rebounds and 1.1 assists), but he’s been a key part of Kentucky’s success despite not getting the national recognition as some of his teammates ... Ballooned in weight in the summer between his junior and senior seasons of

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6/1/2015  4:42 PM
Lyles is a PF who doesn't defend at all or rebound well. I like his offensive game but I don't see Pippen one bit.
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6/1/2015  4:44 PM
The kid does defend and and is a much better passer then most guards/forwards currently in the league. In the triangle, he can actually nude his court vision to make plays for others because he has a pretty nice handle for a 6'10" dude
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6/1/2015  4:49 PM
I don't think he's Pippen, he doesn't have the handle or the passing ability but he could be a Horry , Tony Kukoc type.
He would be good in the triangle.
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6/1/2015  4:54 PM
I could see Kukoc, not Pippen.
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6/1/2015  4:55 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:The kid does defend and and is a much better passer then most guards/forwards currently in the league. In the triangle, he can actually nude his court vision to make plays for others because he has a pretty nice handle for a 6'10" dude

Yeah he has good court vision and a high IQ but he gets bodied up by opposing bigs and he's too slow to defend on the perimeter, not to mention off the ball he gets caught napping. He has a long way to go defensively.
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6/1/2015  5:14 PM
tj23 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:The kid does defend and and is a much better passer then most guards/forwards currently in the league. In the triangle, he can actually nude his court vision to make plays for others because he has a pretty nice handle for a 6'10" dude

Yeah he has good court vision and a high IQ but he gets bodied up by opposing bigs and he's too slow to defend on the perimeter, not to mention off the ball he gets caught napping. He has a long way to go defensively.

Yeah, he reminds of Juwan Howard. Howard used to play the 3 for the wizards, but was at his best as a four. Wouldn't mind him if we traded down and got another pick.
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6/1/2015  5:40 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
tj23 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:The kid does defend and and is a much better passer then most guards/forwards currently in the league. In the triangle, he can actually nude his court vision to make plays for others because he has a pretty nice handle for a 6'10" dude

Yeah he has good court vision and a high IQ but he gets bodied up by opposing bigs and he's too slow to defend on the perimeter, not to mention off the ball he gets caught napping. He has a long way to go defensively.

Yeah, he reminds of Juwan Howard. Howard used to play the 3 for the wizards, but was at his best as a four. Wouldn't mind him if we traded down and got another pick.
Howard is one the best players I have ever seen play live. The guy was amazing. Aside from the tournament I think I watched Kentucky two times. I don't remember thinking of Lyles as being Howard like but my viewing is limited. If he is that type of player I think the Knicks need to consider him. I was excited when the Knicks got Mo Taylor because he reminded me of Juwan.
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6/1/2015  6:26 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
tj23 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:The kid does defend and and is a much better passer then most guards/forwards currently in the league. In the triangle, he can actually nude his court vision to make plays for others because he has a pretty nice handle for a 6'10" dude

Yeah he has good court vision and a high IQ but he gets bodied up by opposing bigs and he's too slow to defend on the perimeter, not to mention off the ball he gets caught napping. He has a long way to go defensively.

Yeah, he reminds of Juwan Howard. Howard used to play the 3 for the wizards, but was at his best as a four. Wouldn't mind him if we traded down and got another pick.
Howard is one the best players I have ever seen play live. The guy was amazing. Aside from the tournament I think I watched Kentucky two times. I don't remember thinking of Lyles as being Howard like but my viewing is limited. If he is that type of player I think the Knicks need to consider him. I was excited when the Knicks got Mo Taylor because he reminded me of Juwan.

Ha, i'm not saying he's as good, but I see similarities. Trey has a solid midrange J, can play fro. The high post and dribble it well for his size. He's also more smooth than explosive like Juwan was.
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6/1/2015  7:57 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
tj23 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:The kid does defend and and is a much better passer then most guards/forwards currently in the league. In the triangle, he can actually nude his court vision to make plays for others because he has a pretty nice handle for a 6'10" dude

Yeah he has good court vision and a high IQ but he gets bodied up by opposing bigs and he's too slow to defend on the perimeter, not to mention off the ball he gets caught napping. He has a long way to go defensively.

Yeah, he reminds of Juwan Howard. Howard used to play the 3 for the wizards, but was at his best as a four. Wouldn't mind him if we traded down and got another pick.
Howard is one the best players I have ever seen play live. The guy was amazing. Aside from the tournament I think I watched Kentucky two times. I don't remember thinking of Lyles as being Howard like but my viewing is limited. If he is that type of player I think the Knicks need to consider him. I was excited when the Knicks got Mo Taylor because he reminded me of Juwan.

Ha, i'm not saying he's as good, but I see similarities. Trey has a solid midrange J, can play fro. The high post and dribble it well for his size. He's also more smooth than explosive like Juwan was.

J Howard was a pure PF. He did not have Lyles mobility and versatility. We will not know how good any of these kids will truly be until perhaps their fourth year in the league. One thing is for certain, he is an agile 6'10" baller who still has plenty it room for growth. He rebounds well and sort of have a complete game for a young man. At four, if Russell or Towns are not available we NEED to trade down with a team that can afford us two first rounders in this draft. As a consolation for missing the aforementioned lottery dudes, I want a combo of Lyles and Winslow; lyles and Kaminsky; lyles and Stein

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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6/1/2015  10:28 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
tj23 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:The kid does defend and and is a much better passer then most guards/forwards currently in the league. In the triangle, he can actually nude his court vision to make plays for others because he has a pretty nice handle for a 6'10" dude

Yeah he has good court vision and a high IQ but he gets bodied up by opposing bigs and he's too slow to defend on the perimeter, not to mention off the ball he gets caught napping. He has a long way to go defensively.

Yeah, he reminds of Juwan Howard. Howard used to play the 3 for the wizards, but was at his best as a four. Wouldn't mind him if we traded down and got another pick.
Howard is one the best players I have ever seen play live. The guy was amazing. Aside from the tournament I think I watched Kentucky two times. I don't remember thinking of Lyles as being Howard like but my viewing is limited. If he is that type of player I think the Knicks need to consider him. I was excited when the Knicks got Mo Taylor because he reminded me of Juwan.

Ha, i'm not saying he's as good, but I see similarities. Trey has a solid midrange J, can play fro. The high post and dribble it well for his size. He's also more smooth than explosive like Juwan was.

J Howard was a pure PF. He did not have Lyles mobility and versatility. We will not know how good any of these kids will truly be until perhaps their fourth year in the league. One thing is for certain, he is an agile 6'10" baller who still has plenty it room for growth. He rebounds well and sort of have a complete game for a young man. At four, if Russell or Towns are not available we NEED to trade down with a team that can afford us two first rounders in this draft. As a consolation for missing the aforementioned lottery dudes, I want a combo of Lyles and Winslow; lyles and Kaminsky; lyles and Stein


Trey is already 6'10" 230 and he's going to continue to grow. Plus, he's not particularly explsoive. He's a four. J Howard was a combo forward with the Wizards. They played him at 3 when he was younger because he could handle the rock, hit the mid-range J and pass. He was also bigger than most kf the threes in the league. I could see Trey's career going in that direction until he gets stronger.
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6/1/2015  10:35 PM
The way you guys are describing Lyles he would be more the equivalent of Odom than Pippen. Or am I wrong?
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6/2/2015  12:01 AM
lets stop the madness. lol
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/2/2015  12:17 AM
wargames wrote:The way you guys are describing Lyles he would be more the equivalent of Odom than Pippen. Or am I wrong?

Odom is a little better. Odom was a superior passer, ball handler and play maker than Lyles.

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6/2/2015  6:15 AM
I think his ceiling is Carlos Boozer but Booz was a good rebounder. Lyles struggles on the glass. He will have to prove he's extremely skilled offensively to be a major impact player at the next level. I like him, but not in the top 10
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6/2/2015  11:09 AM
tj23 wrote:I think his ceiling is Carlos Boozer but Booz was a good rebounder. Lyles struggles on the glass. He will have to prove he's extremely skilled offensively to be a major impact player at the next level. I like him, but not in the top 10

Boozer? Oh my! That dude is no more then 6'7" and can't put the basket on the floor. He is a decent rebounder and post player, but that is about it. Lyles is a legit 6'10" who has the talent to be a hell of a stretch player who can play two-way basketball. He can drive the basket and make excellent decision with the ball

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6/2/2015  12:06 PM
Lyles:

Dowside risk John Wallace. Upside Rashweed Wallace.

OhDumb or Pippen I don't see.

T. Lyles = Pippen

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