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smackeddog
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5/31/2015  11:25 AM
I think my proposed lineup is best
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5/31/2015  11:54 AM
nixluva wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:Pivot - Robin Lopez
Primary Wing - Devin Booker
Secondary Wing - Jae Crowder
Power Forward - Larry Sanders
Point Guard - Aaron Brooks

Sixth Man - Carmelo Anthony
Third Guard - Langston Galloway
Fourth Guard/Shooting Specialist - Jose Calderon
Bench Enforcer - Chuck Hayes
Rotational Big - Luis Scola
Developmental - Tim Hardaway Jr/Orlando Sanchez/Thansis Antekoumpo

My "ideal" offseason would be to sign Robin Lopez, Jae Crowder, Aaron Brooks, Larry Sanders, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola in free agency.
Lopez isn't dominant in any one area but helps you in every area. Does a lot of positive things that doesn't end up in a stat sheet. Even with a slight overpay, will be trade worthy if need be as long he's healthy. Jae Crowder is young and a plus defender with hope his offense can develop more. Aaron Brooks is older but the Knicks need stability at point guard. He's not going to run out plus defense but the Knicks as constructed can hide him a little bit. The guy can flat out ball and he's not going to cost a ton. Sanders is being paid by the Bucks not to play for them. He's young, a true defensive difference maker and can run with anyone if his head is right. He's the right kind of player to take a flier on at the right cost and upside. Best part is he can come subsidized and if he doesn't work out, can be cut. Hayes and Scola offer veteran leadership and locker room stability.

Melo shifts to a 6th man role, where he can provide offensive punch and be hidden by a defense suited to limit his defensive lapses. Galloway provides youth and energy and defense off the bench, giving him a less intensive role to develop and work on his long range shooting. Calderon moves to a reserve role, again, set up where a defense can do their best to hide him. Hardaway Jr/Sanchez and Greek Freak 2.0 all get end of the roster roles to try to develop with less pressure.

Devin Booker IMHO is the best draft prospect outside of the top three ( Okafor, Towns and Russell). He won't be a value selection at No#4, but the hope is the Knicks can trade down, pick up Booker, who can shoot long range at an elite level , play the wing and play tough plus defense, and hopefully some future draft assets as well. Booker would be my personal choice for the "right pick" this year, though again, the hope is the Knicks can move down from the 4 slot in a trade to get Booker.

IMHO, this is the best compromise of a roster build that offers defense, shifts Melo into a functional role to his strengths, and factors in what the Knicks can probably get in the trade market/free agency and offer at least some type of competitive roster.


To each his own, but since you often take it upon yourself to critique other people's posts. I will offer my opinion of this thorough tho unrealistic offering.

1. That starting lineup is pretty damn ugly. What could possibly be the upside of such a lineup?
2. No way it makes sense that Melo would be pushed to 6th man. The lone All Star on the team is pushed to the bench?
3. Trading down and coming out of the draft with Devin Booker is a major fail. How the F is Booker the right pick?
4. Robin Lopez is OK if mediocre is what you want, Jae Crowder is OK, tough kid, but Aaron Brooks, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola?
5. LARRY SANDERS??? WTF? Dude has major questions about his passion for the game. NY is the worst situation to put him in.

You get on other people for their suggestions all the time and to be honest this is pretty much the worst roster i've read anyone suggest. Perhaps because of your volatile personality others may be scared to say anything to you about this but this roster is a ClusterPhuck. You are creating more problems than you are solving.


This article is from two days ago. It doesn't sound like Saunders is coming back anytime soon. Watch in stores for the skateboard goggles he is designing.
http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/05/larry-sanders-profile-walking-away-from-nba?utm_campaign=complexmag%2Bsocialflow%2B05%2B2015&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
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5/31/2015  12:03 PM
TripleThreat wrote:Pivot - Robin Lopez
Primary Wing - Devin Booker
Secondary Wing - Jae Crowder
Power Forward - Larry Sanders
Point Guard - Aaron Brooks

Sixth Man - Carmelo Anthony
Third Guard - Langston Galloway
Fourth Guard/Shooting Specialist - Jose Calderon
Bench Enforcer - Chuck Hayes
Rotational Big - Luis Scola
Developmental - Tim Hardaway Jr/Orlando Sanchez/Thansis Antekoumpo

My "ideal" offseason would be to sign Robin Lopez, Jae Crowder, Aaron Brooks, Larry Sanders, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola in free agency.
Lopez isn't dominant in any one area but helps you in every area. Does a lot of positive things that doesn't end up in a stat sheet. Even with a slight overpay, will be trade worthy if need be as long he's healthy. Jae Crowder is young and a plus defender with hope his offense can develop more. Aaron Brooks is older but the Knicks need stability at point guard. He's not going to run out plus defense but the Knicks as constructed can hide him a little bit. The guy can flat out ball and he's not going to cost a ton. Sanders is being paid by the Bucks not to play for them. He's young, a true defensive difference maker and can run with anyone if his head is right. He's the right kind of player to take a flier on at the right cost and upside. Best part is he can come subsidized and if he doesn't work out, can be cut. Hayes and Scola offer veteran leadership and locker room stability.

Melo shifts to a 6th man role, where he can provide offensive punch and be hidden by a defense suited to limit his defensive lapses. Galloway provides youth and energy and defense off the bench, giving him a less intensive role to develop and work on his long range shooting. Calderon moves to a reserve role, again, set up where a defense can do their best to hide him. Hardaway Jr/Sanchez and Greek Freak 2.0 all get end of the roster roles to try to develop with less pressure.

Devin Booker IMHO is the best draft prospect outside of the top three ( Okafor, Towns and Russell). He won't be a value selection at No#4, but the hope is the Knicks can trade down, pick up Booker, who can shoot long range at an elite level , play the wing and play tough plus defense, and hopefully some future draft assets as well. Booker would be my personal choice for the "right pick" this year, though again, the hope is the Knicks can move down from the 4 slot in a trade to get Booker.

IMHO, this is the best compromise of a roster build that offers defense, shifts Melo into a functional role to his strengths, and factors in what the Knicks can probably get in the trade market/free agency and offer at least some type of competitive roster.


I like the depth on that squad but Devin Booker is the 4th best prospect? He's a slightly more athletic Kyle Korver.
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5/31/2015  1:02 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:Pivot - Robin Lopez
Primary Wing - Devin Booker
Secondary Wing - Jae Crowder
Power Forward - Larry Sanders
Point Guard - Aaron Brooks

Sixth Man - Carmelo Anthony
Third Guard - Langston Galloway
Fourth Guard/Shooting Specialist - Jose Calderon
Bench Enforcer - Chuck Hayes
Rotational Big - Luis Scola
Developmental - Tim Hardaway Jr/Orlando Sanchez/Thansis Antekoumpo

My "ideal" offseason would be to sign Robin Lopez, Jae Crowder, Aaron Brooks, Larry Sanders, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola in free agency.
Lopez isn't dominant in any one area but helps you in every area. Does a lot of positive things that doesn't end up in a stat sheet. Even with a slight overpay, will be trade worthy if need be as long he's healthy. Jae Crowder is young and a plus defender with hope his offense can develop more. Aaron Brooks is older but the Knicks need stability at point guard. He's not going to run out plus defense but the Knicks as constructed can hide him a little bit. The guy can flat out ball and he's not going to cost a ton. Sanders is being paid by the Bucks not to play for them. He's young, a true defensive difference maker and can run with anyone if his head is right. He's the right kind of player to take a flier on at the right cost and upside. Best part is he can come subsidized and if he doesn't work out, can be cut. Hayes and Scola offer veteran leadership and locker room stability.

Melo shifts to a 6th man role, where he can provide offensive punch and be hidden by a defense suited to limit his defensive lapses. Galloway provides youth and energy and defense off the bench, giving him a less intensive role to develop and work on his long range shooting. Calderon moves to a reserve role, again, set up where a defense can do their best to hide him. Hardaway Jr/Sanchez and Greek Freak 2.0 all get end of the roster roles to try to develop with less pressure.

Devin Booker IMHO is the best draft prospect outside of the top three ( Okafor, Towns and Russell). He won't be a value selection at No#4, but the hope is the Knicks can trade down, pick up Booker, who can shoot long range at an elite level , play the wing and play tough plus defense, and hopefully some future draft assets as well. Booker would be my personal choice for the "right pick" this year, though again, the hope is the Knicks can move down from the 4 slot in a trade to get Booker.

IMHO, this is the best compromise of a roster build that offers defense, shifts Melo into a functional role to his strengths, and factors in what the Knicks can probably get in the trade market/free agency and offer at least some type of competitive roster.


To each his own, but since you often take it upon yourself to critique other people's posts. I will offer my opinion of this thorough tho unrealistic offering.

1. That starting lineup is pretty damn ugly. What could possibly be the upside of such a lineup?
2. No way it makes sense that Melo would be pushed to 6th man. The lone All Star on the team is pushed to the bench?
3. Trading down and coming out of the draft with Devin Booker is a major fail. How the F is Booker the right pick?
4. Robin Lopez is OK if mediocre is what you want, Jae Crowder is OK, tough kid, but Aaron Brooks, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola?
5. LARRY SANDERS??? WTF? Dude has major questions about his passion for the game. NY is the worst situation to put him in.

You get on other people for their suggestions all the time and to be honest this is pretty much the worst roster i've read anyone suggest. Perhaps because of your volatile personality others may be scared to say anything to you about this but this roster is a ClusterPhuck. You are creating more problems than you are solving.


This article is from two days ago. It doesn't sound like Saunders is coming back anytime soon. Watch in stores for the skateboard goggles he is designing.
http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/05/larry-sanders-profile-walking-away-from-nba?utm_campaign=complexmag%2Bsocialflow%2B05%2B2015&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Sanders seems like he's on a mission to find happiness outside of the NBA.

For the most part, though, Sanders is focused on himself, figuring out exactly who that is, and communicating the importance of this process for everyone. He knows that this freedom—to be something one day and another thing the next—is rare, but he has also emphasized in the past that his desire for it is hardly uncommon.

“I’m no different from the person whose 9-to-5 isn’t their dream job,” Sanders wrote in the Players’ Tribune in February. There is, of course, an obvious disparity between Sanders and the average working person: Per the buyout that he arranged with the Milwaukee Bucks, he’ll earn $1.9 million per year for the next seven years.

However, despite his clear financial advantages, he believes that happiness is within reach for those who are willing to take a risk for it: “If you make time for yourself and you’re led by your intuition, you’ll be taken care of. It’s a leap of faith,” says Sanders. “Life is here and gone. Not a dollar is going to add a day, or mend a relationship. [My money] can be seen as financial security, but like I said earlier, guys lost $150 million in a year.”

So, even if Sanders no longer inspires the kid who one day wants to play in the NBA, he can still provide an example for the working people in America who go to work every morning and ask themselves, “Why?” As you learn more about him, it’s evident that this question has been on his mind for years.

“I don’t get along with guys whose lives revolve totally around basketball,” Sanders told Sport Illustrated’s Lee Jenkins in 2013. “Someday that rubber ball will stop bouncing, and if you’ve built your whole identity around it, who will you be?”

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5/31/2015  1:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/31/2015  1:32 PM
TripleThreat wrote:Pivot - Robin Lopez
Primary Wing - Devin Booker
Secondary Wing - Jae Crowder
Power Forward - Larry Sanders
Point Guard - Aaron Brooks

Sixth Man - Carmelo Anthony
Third Guard - Langston Galloway
Fourth Guard/Shooting Specialist - Jose Calderon
Bench Enforcer - Chuck Hayes
Rotational Big - Luis Scola
Developmental - Tim Hardaway Jr/Orlando Sanchez/Thansis Antekoumpo

My "ideal" offseason would be to sign Robin Lopez, Jae Crowder, Aaron Brooks, Larry Sanders, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola in free agency.
Lopez isn't dominant in any one area but helps you in every area. Does a lot of positive things that doesn't end up in a stat sheet. Even with a slight overpay, will be trade worthy if need be as long he's healthy. Jae Crowder is young and a plus defender with hope his offense can develop more. Aaron Brooks is older but the Knicks need stability at point guard. He's not going to run out plus defense but the Knicks as constructed can hide him a little bit. The guy can flat out ball and he's not going to cost a ton. Sanders is being paid by the Bucks not to play for them. He's young, a true defensive difference maker and can run with anyone if his head is right. He's the right kind of player to take a flier on at the right cost and upside. Best part is he can come subsidized and if he doesn't work out, can be cut. Hayes and Scola offer veteran leadership and locker room stability.

Melo shifts to a 6th man role, where he can provide offensive punch and be hidden by a defense suited to limit his defensive lapses. Galloway provides youth and energy and defense off the bench, giving him a less intensive role to develop and work on his long range shooting. Calderon moves to a reserve role, again, set up where a defense can do their best to hide him. Hardaway Jr/Sanchez and Greek Freak 2.0 all get end of the roster roles to try to develop with less pressure.

Devin Booker IMHO is the best draft prospect outside of the top three ( Okafor, Towns and Russell). He won't be a value selection at No#4, but the hope is the Knicks can trade down, pick up Booker, who can shoot long range at an elite level , play the wing and play tough plus defense, and hopefully some future draft assets as well. Booker would be my personal choice for the "right pick" this year, though again, the hope is the Knicks can move down from the 4 slot in a trade to get Booker.

IMHO, this is the best compromise of a roster build that offers defense, shifts Melo into a functional role to his strengths, and factors in what the Knicks can probably get in the trade market/free agency and offer at least some type of competitive roster.

oMG well he finally sticks his neck out there and shucks for breaking everyone else balls he comes up with a roster filled with retired players dramatic draft reaches guys past their prime and the slowest team that anyone could hope to put together without trying..while using Carmelo as a sixth man Triple threat with this post you lose all privileges to break cahones on anyone else ideas. If there was an ultimateknicks d league we'd have to send you down.

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5/31/2015  1:33 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:Pivot - Robin Lopez
Primary Wing - Devin Booker
Secondary Wing - Jae Crowder
Power Forward - Larry Sanders
Point Guard - Aaron Brooks

Sixth Man - Carmelo Anthony
Third Guard - Langston Galloway
Fourth Guard/Shooting Specialist - Jose Calderon
Bench Enforcer - Chuck Hayes
Rotational Big - Luis Scola
Developmental - Tim Hardaway Jr/Orlando Sanchez/Thansis Antekoumpo

My "ideal" offseason would be to sign Robin Lopez, Jae Crowder, Aaron Brooks, Larry Sanders, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola in free agency.
Lopez isn't dominant in any one area but helps you in every area. Does a lot of positive things that doesn't end up in a stat sheet. Even with a slight overpay, will be trade worthy if need be as long he's healthy. Jae Crowder is young and a plus defender with hope his offense can develop more. Aaron Brooks is older but the Knicks need stability at point guard. He's not going to run out plus defense but the Knicks as constructed can hide him a little bit. The guy can flat out ball and he's not going to cost a ton. Sanders is being paid by the Bucks not to play for them. He's young, a true defensive difference maker and can run with anyone if his head is right. He's the right kind of player to take a flier on at the right cost and upside. Best part is he can come subsidized and if he doesn't work out, can be cut. Hayes and Scola offer veteran leadership and locker room stability.

Melo shifts to a 6th man role, where he can provide offensive punch and be hidden by a defense suited to limit his defensive lapses. Galloway provides youth and energy and defense off the bench, giving him a less intensive role to develop and work on his long range shooting. Calderon moves to a reserve role, again, set up where a defense can do their best to hide him. Hardaway Jr/Sanchez and Greek Freak 2.0 all get end of the roster roles to try to develop with less pressure.

Devin Booker IMHO is the best draft prospect outside of the top three ( Okafor, Towns and Russell). He won't be a value selection at No#4, but the hope is the Knicks can trade down, pick up Booker, who can shoot long range at an elite level , play the wing and play tough plus defense, and hopefully some future draft assets as well. Booker would be my personal choice for the "right pick" this year, though again, the hope is the Knicks can move down from the 4 slot in a trade to get Booker.

IMHO, this is the best compromise of a roster build that offers defense, shifts Melo into a functional role to his strengths, and factors in what the Knicks can probably get in the trade market/free agency and offer at least some type of competitive roster.

oMG well he finally sticks his neck out there and shucks for breaking everyone else balls he comes up with a roster filled with retired players dramatic draft reaches guys past their prime and the slowest team that anyone could hope to put together without trying..while using Carmelo as a sixth man Triple threat with this post you lose all privileges to break cahones on anyone else ideas. If there was an ultimateknicks d league we'd have to send you down.

He hung his @ss out that is for sure.
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5/31/2015  1:34 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:Pivot - Robin Lopez
Primary Wing - Devin Booker
Secondary Wing - Jae Crowder
Power Forward - Larry Sanders
Point Guard - Aaron Brooks

Sixth Man - Carmelo Anthony
Third Guard - Langston Galloway
Fourth Guard/Shooting Specialist - Jose Calderon
Bench Enforcer - Chuck Hayes
Rotational Big - Luis Scola
Developmental - Tim Hardaway Jr/Orlando Sanchez/Thansis Antekoumpo

My "ideal" offseason would be to sign Robin Lopez, Jae Crowder, Aaron Brooks, Larry Sanders, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola in free agency.
Lopez isn't dominant in any one area but helps you in every area. Does a lot of positive things that doesn't end up in a stat sheet. Even with a slight overpay, will be trade worthy if need be as long he's healthy. Jae Crowder is young and a plus defender with hope his offense can develop more. Aaron Brooks is older but the Knicks need stability at point guard. He's not going to run out plus defense but the Knicks as constructed can hide him a little bit. The guy can flat out ball and he's not going to cost a ton. Sanders is being paid by the Bucks not to play for them. He's young, a true defensive difference maker and can run with anyone if his head is right. He's the right kind of player to take a flier on at the right cost and upside. Best part is he can come subsidized and if he doesn't work out, can be cut. Hayes and Scola offer veteran leadership and locker room stability.

Melo shifts to a 6th man role, where he can provide offensive punch and be hidden by a defense suited to limit his defensive lapses. Galloway provides youth and energy and defense off the bench, giving him a less intensive role to develop and work on his long range shooting. Calderon moves to a reserve role, again, set up where a defense can do their best to hide him. Hardaway Jr/Sanchez and Greek Freak 2.0 all get end of the roster roles to try to develop with less pressure.

Devin Booker IMHO is the best draft prospect outside of the top three ( Okafor, Towns and Russell). He won't be a value selection at No#4, but the hope is the Knicks can trade down, pick up Booker, who can shoot long range at an elite level , play the wing and play tough plus defense, and hopefully some future draft assets as well. Booker would be my personal choice for the "right pick" this year, though again, the hope is the Knicks can move down from the 4 slot in a trade to get Booker.

IMHO, this is the best compromise of a roster build that offers defense, shifts Melo into a functional role to his strengths, and factors in what the Knicks can probably get in the trade market/free agency and offer at least some type of competitive roster.

oMG well he finally sticks his neck out there and shucks for breaking everyone else balls he comes up with a roster filled with retired players dramatic draft reaches guys past their prime and the slowest team that anyone could hope to put together without trying..while using Carmelo as a sixth man Triple threat with this post you lose all privileges to break cahones on anyone else ideas. If there was an ultimateknicks d league we'd have to send you down.

Ha, I always enjoy it when the more ardent critics on these boards actually come out and propose something, because it's usually awful! But at least he proposed something- Bonn1997 never dares to, or claims he did at some point in the distant past and for some reason cannot retype it.

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5/31/2015  2:17 PM
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:Pivot - Robin Lopez
Primary Wing - Devin Booker
Secondary Wing - Jae Crowder
Power Forward - Larry Sanders
Point Guard - Aaron Brooks

Sixth Man - Carmelo Anthony
Third Guard - Langston Galloway
Fourth Guard/Shooting Specialist - Jose Calderon
Bench Enforcer - Chuck Hayes
Rotational Big - Luis Scola
Developmental - Tim Hardaway Jr/Orlando Sanchez/Thansis Antekoumpo

My "ideal" offseason would be to sign Robin Lopez, Jae Crowder, Aaron Brooks, Larry Sanders, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola in free agency.
Lopez isn't dominant in any one area but helps you in every area. Does a lot of positive things that doesn't end up in a stat sheet. Even with a slight overpay, will be trade worthy if need be as long he's healthy. Jae Crowder is young and a plus defender with hope his offense can develop more. Aaron Brooks is older but the Knicks need stability at point guard. He's not going to run out plus defense but the Knicks as constructed can hide him a little bit. The guy can flat out ball and he's not going to cost a ton. Sanders is being paid by the Bucks not to play for them. He's young, a true defensive difference maker and can run with anyone if his head is right. He's the right kind of player to take a flier on at the right cost and upside. Best part is he can come subsidized and if he doesn't work out, can be cut. Hayes and Scola offer veteran leadership and locker room stability.

Melo shifts to a 6th man role, where he can provide offensive punch and be hidden by a defense suited to limit his defensive lapses. Galloway provides youth and energy and defense off the bench, giving him a less intensive role to develop and work on his long range shooting. Calderon moves to a reserve role, again, set up where a defense can do their best to hide him. Hardaway Jr/Sanchez and Greek Freak 2.0 all get end of the roster roles to try to develop with less pressure.

Devin Booker IMHO is the best draft prospect outside of the top three ( Okafor, Towns and Russell). He won't be a value selection at No#4, but the hope is the Knicks can trade down, pick up Booker, who can shoot long range at an elite level , play the wing and play tough plus defense, and hopefully some future draft assets as well. Booker would be my personal choice for the "right pick" this year, though again, the hope is the Knicks can move down from the 4 slot in a trade to get Booker.

IMHO, this is the best compromise of a roster build that offers defense, shifts Melo into a functional role to his strengths, and factors in what the Knicks can probably get in the trade market/free agency and offer at least some type of competitive roster.

oMG well he finally sticks his neck out there and shucks for breaking everyone else balls he comes up with a roster filled with retired players dramatic draft reaches guys past their prime and the slowest team that anyone could hope to put together without trying..while using Carmelo as a sixth man Triple threat with this post you lose all privileges to break cahones on anyone else ideas. If there was an ultimateknicks d league we'd have to send you down.

Ha, I always enjoy it when the more ardent critics on these boards actually come out and propose something, because it's usually awful! But at least he proposed something- Bonn1997 never dares to, or claims he did at some point in the distant past and for some reason cannot retype it.


It's all fair in love and war. I get bashed all the time for my predictions over the years but that's because I actually put it out there. I have respect for anyone brave enough to put it out there, but at the same time most of us can disagree without the ugly personal attacks. We can even get upset but there's just a line that most don't cross and it's been that way for the most part with the exception of a few who IMO take it too far, too often. We're all adults here and can take criticism, but I just find it amazing when the guys that get the most ugly and personal finally put up, it's something less than impressive.
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5/31/2015  3:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/31/2015  3:55 PM
Wait is thread proposed lineup or predicted lineup?

I posted predicted above.

¿ △ ?
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5/31/2015  4:03 PM
Proposed:

Rondo / Galloway / Shved
Carroll / Timmy
Carmelo / Lance Thomas (Carroll gets plenty of minutes here too)
Monroe / Thomas Robinson
WCS / Ajinca / Cole

What can I say, I think a Melo team needs some edge and I'd like to see Rondo here. Lakers aren't interested in him anymore. I think we could get him cheap.

¿ △ ?
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5/31/2015  4:11 PM
crzymdups wrote:Wait is thread proposed lineup or predicted lineup?

I posted predicted above.

Predicted is correct. Who do you think will start for us for game one

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5/31/2015  4:18 PM
crzymdups wrote:Proposed:

Rondo / Galloway / Shved
Carroll / Timmy
Carmelo / Lance Thomas (Carroll gets plenty of minutes here too)
Monroe / Thomas Robinson
WCS / Ajinca / Cole

What can I say, I think a Melo team needs some edge and I'd like to see Rondo here. Lakers aren't interested in him anymore. I think we could get him cheap.

Rondo?? How cheap?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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5/31/2015  4:22 PM
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Proposed:

Rondo / Galloway / Shved
Carroll / Timmy
Carmelo / Lance Thomas (Carroll gets plenty of minutes here too)
Monroe / Thomas Robinson
WCS / Ajinca / Cole

What can I say, I think a Melo team needs some edge and I'd like to see Rondo here. Lakers aren't interested in him anymore. I think we could get him cheap.

Rondo?? How cheap?

If he's out there after we hit the cap, I'd offer him the MLE. Maybe one of those one and one deals so he could play his value back up.

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5/31/2015  4:25 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Proposed:

Rondo / Galloway / Shved
Carroll / Timmy
Carmelo / Lance Thomas (Carroll gets plenty of minutes here too)
Monroe / Thomas Robinson
WCS / Ajinca / Cole

What can I say, I think a Melo team needs some edge and I'd like to see Rondo here. Lakers aren't interested in him anymore. I think we could get him cheap.

Rondo?? How cheap?

If he's out there after we hit the cap, I'd offer him the MLE. Maybe one of those one and one deals so he could play his value back up.

I don't think fisher can afford having a guy like him on the team.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Proposed:

Rondo / Galloway / Shved
Carroll / Timmy
Carmelo / Lance Thomas (Carroll gets plenty of minutes here too)
Monroe / Thomas Robinson
WCS / Ajinca / Cole

What can I say, I think a Melo team needs some edge and I'd like to see Rondo here. Lakers aren't interested in him anymore. I think we could get him cheap.

Rondo?? How cheap?

If he's out there after we hit the cap, I'd offer him the MLE. Maybe one of those one and one deals so he could play his value back up.

I don't think fisher can afford having a guy like him on the team.

I think a guy like Rondo or Stephenson is the type of guy the Knicks need to take a risk on.

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5/31/2015  4:34 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Proposed:

Rondo / Galloway / Shved
Carroll / Timmy
Carmelo / Lance Thomas (Carroll gets plenty of minutes here too)
Monroe / Thomas Robinson
WCS / Ajinca / Cole

What can I say, I think a Melo team needs some edge and I'd like to see Rondo here. Lakers aren't interested in him anymore. I think we could get him cheap.

Rondo?? How cheap?

If he's out there after we hit the cap, I'd offer him the MLE. Maybe one of those one and one deals so he could play his value back up.

I don't think fisher can afford having a guy like him on the team.

I think a guy like Rondo or Stephenson is the type of guy the Knicks need to take a risk on.

Lance Stephenson it is! Rajon Rondo, unfortunately, does not fit. If we were running anything but the triangle, I'd give him a one year flyer to see how he does. But we are running the triangle, so we need a guy that can move without the ball and shoot.

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5/31/2015  4:35 PM
nixluva wrote:To each his own, but since you often take it upon yourself to critique other people's posts. I will offer my opinion of this thorough tho unrealistic offering.

1. That starting lineup is pretty damn ugly. What could possibly be the upside of such a lineup?
2. No way it makes sense that Melo would be pushed to 6th man. The lone All Star on the team is pushed to the bench?
3. Trading down and coming out of the draft with Devin Booker is a major fail. How the F is Booker the right pick?
4. Robin Lopez is OK if mediocre is what you want, Jae Crowder is OK, tough kid, but Aaron Brooks, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola?
5. LARRY SANDERS??? WTF? Dude has major questions about his passion for the game. NY is the worst situation to put him in.

You get on other people for their suggestions all the time and to be honest this is pretty much the worst roster i've read anyone suggest. Perhaps because of your volatile personality others may be scared to say anything to you about this but this roster is a ClusterPhuck. You are creating more problems than you are solving.


1. That starting lineup is pretty damn ugly. What could possibly be the upside of such a lineup?

There's what some of you want. There's the nominal out of this world trade rapes that some of you push. There's the pipe dream free agent signings that some of you push for.

Then there is what the Knicks can practically get.

The Knicks are not going to get the cream of the crop of free agency for the next few years and anyone they could get, in most cases, would be a vast overpay for flawed players.

Every player I put forth in Free Agency on that list, the Knicks might actually have to chance to actually get. I've seen some of you push names like LaMarcus Aldridge or waiting for Kevin Durant or signing Kawhi Leonard on a poison pill deal. Or getting Marc Gasol or any number of players who have better options than the Knicks.

If you can't win with overwhelming talent, you can win or least attempt to be competitive with team chemistry, true team basketball, unselfish play, max effort every night and lock solid no compromise defense. The Knicks aren't going to assemble a bunch of guys who can run and gun and win that way, so the Knicks should IMHO, build around fundamental team basketball. Play the game the right way. Let the flow of the game dictate the shot. Grind it out on defense and let things like floor spacing, protecting the rim, and roster fit matter.

Defense matters. Good defense helps to create opportunities on offense. Defense is critical on those nights your shot is not falling. Defense is something you can build a team identity around.

2. No way it makes sense that Melo would be pushed to 6th man. The lone All Star on the team is pushed to the bench?


As I've said before, Melo is a lethal 1 vs 1 isolation gunner. So put him in a position to excel in that one area. Let the rest of the team function for dirty work, spacing, defense and grind it out banging it out each night, and let Melo go to work doing what he was born to do - Score the basketball. Melo is offensively complete, he has a full arsenal and he can create his own shot at will. So let him. Some of you whine about "needing to build a team around Melo to fit his skills" Well here you go, he's an elite 6th man, so let him be one. Manu Ginobili is a 6th man, and so was Lamar Odom, both still played heavy minutes and played major roles in helping their teams win. As a 6th man, Melo can still play heavy minutes and still take the lions share burden of scoring, just not run out with the starting lineup. If Ginobili can do it, Melo can do it.

3. Trading down and coming out of the draft with Devin Booker is a major fail. How the F is Booker the right pick?

People are going to differ on the value of prospects. I see Booker as a high floor guy who is an elite long range shooter, can play rock solid plus defense and play on the wing with room to get better. No he doesn't have the athletic ceiling of some of the other prospects, but I believe he can help a true team basketball unit win. Is he the best value at 4? No, but I've said that openly. My take is if the Knicks can trade down, get some future draft asset plus Booker, I see that as a win. They get a young wing with upside who can help now and in the future, and hopefully pick up some assets to help out a draftless 2016 and beyond.

Plenty of people here have talked about "splitting" the lottery pick into more assets. Most of them discuss getting all that value in one year, in one draft and in one trade, which is unlikely.

If the Knicks are dead set on foregoing a true rebuild and want to push now with Melo, they have to look at a players floor more than his ceiling.


4. Robin Lopez is OK if mediocre is what you want, Jae Crowder is OK, tough kid, but Aaron Brooks, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola?

The Knicks have no veteran leadership. Melo is not a leader. That's been often discussed. The Knicks have a huge problem with the point guard position. That's also been discussed.

Hayes and Scola are at the end of their careers, but they've played together with Brooks ( team chemistry anyone?) and can offer experience and leadership. Scola is one of the best veteran low post players of his generation. Would not hurt for the Knicks front court to get a little knowledge and mentoring from him. Hayes is a true team player and a smart player and a leader, a good locker room guy. I'm not asking Hayes or Scola to start.

Brooks was good enough to start for the Bulls when Rose was out. He's not a sexy name. But he can offer short term help at a position where the Knicks have suffered for help. He's not a plus defender but he can defend enough of his own weight not to end up like a Hardaway/Calderon/Melo sieve.

All of those guys are guys I see as actually attainable. Again, not relying on some pipedream trade rape or off the rails hope in the dark that won't happen.


5. LARRY SANDERS??? WTF? Dude has major questions about his passion for the game. NY is the worst situation to put him in.


Sanders is likely not to come back to the NBA. That being said, if he did come back, got his head right, and was committed, he is still young enough and talented enough to be a DPOY contender. Also he is being paid by another team thus could be subsidized at cost. For the least talented roster in the NBA, no stone should be unturned.

I'm looking at team chemistry, leadership, team basketball, fundamental play, defense, floor spacing, rim protection, length and depth on the wing, putting players in roles where they can focus on their strengths and not put too many young players to be overexposed. I'm not asking ( except for Sanders on a lark) for anyone to suddenly do something outside their depth or likelihood of established trends. When someone like you talks about resigning Bargnani and then trying to get him and Melo to play better defense, to me, that's asking players to do more than what is likely to happen based on what they've shown to fans and the rest of the NBA.

If you think it's the worst roster, then you think so. Actually I'm happy you do because I think you are gigantic idiot when it comes to what it takes to win and team construction in the NBA. Then again, most of the criticism I see are from people who just don't like me. The trade rapists, the jack holes, the passive aggressive shills. I could come up with any roster construction and some of you pan it simply because I typed it.

I'd rather build a team that attempted to play true team basketball, defense and played the game the right way than to overstuff the roster with overpaid no defense power forwards like some of you hope to do.

Did I construct a championship roster? No.

But unlike some of you, I don't believe in a mass trade rape 18 month turnaround under the Tao of Phil.

What I did construct was the best compromise I can see for making a roster that's as competitive as possible given the situation, which is dire to start.

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TripleThreat wrote:
nixluva wrote:To each his own, but since you often take it upon yourself to critique other people's posts. I will offer my opinion of this thorough tho unrealistic offering.

1. That starting lineup is pretty damn ugly. What could possibly be the upside of such a lineup?
2. No way it makes sense that Melo would be pushed to 6th man. The lone All Star on the team is pushed to the bench?
3. Trading down and coming out of the draft with Devin Booker is a major fail. How the F is Booker the right pick?
4. Robin Lopez is OK if mediocre is what you want, Jae Crowder is OK, tough kid, but Aaron Brooks, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola?
5. LARRY SANDERS??? WTF? Dude has major questions about his passion for the game. NY is the worst situation to put him in.

You get on other people for their suggestions all the time and to be honest this is pretty much the worst roster i've read anyone suggest. Perhaps because of your volatile personality others may be scared to say anything to you about this but this roster is a ClusterPhuck. You are creating more problems than you are solving.


1. That starting lineup is pretty damn ugly. What could possibly be the upside of such a lineup?

There's what some of you want. There's the nominal out of this world trade rapes that some of you push. There's the pipe dream free agent signings that some of you push for.

Then there is what the Knicks can practically get.

The Knicks are not going to get the cream of the crop of free agency for the next few years and anyone they could get, in most cases, would be a vast overpay for flawed players.

Every player I put forth in Free Agency on that list, the Knicks might actually have to chance to actually get. I've seen some of you push names like LaMarcus Aldridge or waiting for Kevin Durant or signing Kawhi Leonard on a poison pill deal. Or getting Marc Gasol or any number of players who have better options than the Knicks.

If you can't win with overwhelming talent, you can win or least attempt to be competitive with team chemistry, true team basketball, unselfish play, max effort every night and lock solid no compromise defense. The Knicks aren't going to assemble a bunch of guys who can run and gun and win that way, so the Knicks should IMHO, build around fundamental team basketball. Play the game the right way. Let the flow of the game dictate the shot. Grind it out on defense and let things like floor spacing, protecting the rim, and roster fit matter.

Defense matters. Good defense helps to create opportunities on offense. Defense is critical on those nights your shot is not falling. Defense is something you can build a team identity around.

2. No way it makes sense that Melo would be pushed to 6th man. The lone All Star on the team is pushed to the bench?


As I've said before, Melo is a lethal 1 vs 1 isolation gunner. So put him in a position to excel in that one area. Let the rest of the team function for dirty work, spacing, defense and grind it out banging it out each night, and let Melo go to work doing what he was born to do - Score the basketball. Melo is offensively complete, he has a full arsenal and he can create his own shot at will. So let him. Some of you whine about "needing to build a team around Melo to fit his skills" Well here you go, he's an elite 6th man, so let him be one. Manu Ginobili is a 6th man, and so was Lamar Odom, both still played heavy minutes and played major roles in helping their teams win. As a 6th man, Melo can still play heavy minutes and still take the lions share burden of scoring, just not run out with the starting lineup. If Ginobili can do it, Melo can do it.

3. Trading down and coming out of the draft with Devin Booker is a major fail. How the F is Booker the right pick?

People are going to differ on the value of prospects. I see Booker as a high floor guy who is an elite long range shooter, can play rock solid plus defense and play on the wing with room to get better. No he doesn't have the athletic ceiling of some of the other prospects, but I believe he can help a true team basketball unit win. Is he the best value at 4? No, but I've said that openly. My take is if the Knicks can trade down, get some future draft asset plus Booker, I see that as a win. They get a young wing with upside who can help now and in the future, and hopefully pick up some assets to help out a draftless 2016 and beyond.

Plenty of people here have talked about "splitting" the lottery pick into more assets. Most of them discuss getting all that value in one year, in one draft and in one trade, which is unlikely.

If the Knicks are dead set on foregoing a true rebuild and want to push now with Melo, they have to look at a players floor more than his ceiling.


4. Robin Lopez is OK if mediocre is what you want, Jae Crowder is OK, tough kid, but Aaron Brooks, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola?

The Knicks have no veteran leadership. Melo is not a leader. That's been often discussed. The Knicks have a huge problem with the point guard position. That's also been discussed.

Hayes and Scola are at the end of their careers, but they've played together with Brooks ( team chemistry anyone?) and can offer experience and leadership. Scola is one of the best veteran low post players of his generation. Would not hurt for the Knicks front court to get a little knowledge and mentoring from him. Hayes is a true team player and a smart player and a leader, a good locker room guy. I'm not asking Hayes or Scola to start.

Brooks was good enough to start for the Bulls when Rose was out. He's not a sexy name. But he can offer short term help at a position where the Knicks have suffered for help. He's not a plus defender but he can defend enough of his own weight not to end up like a Hardaway/Calderon/Melo sieve.

All of those guys are guys I see as actually attainable. Again, not relying on some pipedream trade rape or off the rails hope in the dark that won't happen.


5. LARRY SANDERS??? WTF? Dude has major questions about his passion for the game. NY is the worst situation to put him in.


Sanders is likely not to come back to the NBA. That being said, if he did come back, got his head right, and was committed, he is still young enough and talented enough to be a DPOY contender. Also he is being paid by another team thus could be subsidized at cost. For the least talented roster in the NBA, no stone should be unturned.

I'm looking at team chemistry, leadership, team basketball, fundamental play, defense, floor spacing, rim protection, length and depth on the wing, putting players in roles where they can focus on their strengths and not put too many young players to be overexposed. I'm not asking ( except for Sanders on a lark) for anyone to suddenly do something outside their depth or likelihood of established trends. When someone like you talks about resigning Bargnani and then trying to get him and Melo to play better defense, to me, that's asking players to do more than what is likely to happen based on what they've shown to fans and the rest of the NBA.

If you think it's the worst roster, then you think so. Actually I'm happy you do because I think you are gigantic idiot when it comes to what it takes to win and team construction in the NBA. Then again, most of the criticism I see are from people who just don't like me. The trade rapists, the jack holes, the passive aggressive shills. I could come up with any roster construction and some of you pan it simply because I typed it.

I'd rather build a team that attempted to play true team basketball, defense and played the game the right way than to overstuff the roster with overpaid no defense power forwards like some of you hope to do.

Did I construct a championship roster? No.

But unlike some of you, I don't believe in a mass trade rape 18 month turnaround under the Tao of Phil.

What I did construct was the best compromise I can see for making a roster that's as competitive as possible given the situation, which is dire to start.

I think you have valid reasons for some of your selections. Lopez, Crowder are decent role players, tho at the lower end of the Free Agents we actually do have a chance at signing. Brooks is 32 and short, but he is a very good offensive player. I don't see Brooks as being right for this team.

I don't understand the Devin Booker draft pick at all. We have the #4 pick!!! Why are we ending up with this guy? I don't understand Larry Sanders at all.

Chuck Hayes is 31 and barely plays anymore. I just don't see why you had to reach that far down to the bottom of the barrel for him.

Luis Scola is 35 and tho he is a skilled and tough player, we don't need him for what he has left to offer.

Your reasoning is fine if all we wanted to do is build a mediocre team with no upside. There's some scoring so I can understand that but also too many lame old players in the mix.

Our starting 5 next season, hang your ass out there

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