BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'm a little worried about what it might do to you mentally if they draft Stein!

To take a raw offensive player at pick #4 would be quite strange but it would follow in the footsteps of Laberdye and Thansis. So were building a team of non shooters. Go check out Greg Monroes averages past 6 feet. That means we''l have to players in the top 5 who can score outside of the paint no penetrating guards and a non passing star. YEP we should do just fine! Im sure Toronto will have fun with our 5 pick next year.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'm a little worried about what it might do to you mentally if they draft Stein!

To take a raw offensive player at pick #4 would be quite strange but it would follow in the footsteps of Laberdye and Thansis. So were building a team of non shooters. Go check out Greg Monroes averages past 6 feet. That means we''l have to players in the top 5 who can score outside of the paint no penetrating guards and a non passing star. YEP we should do just fine! Im sure Toronto will have fun with our 5 pick next year.

Drafting guys like Tanasis and the euro late in the second round is fine. If one works out you did really well. I think you are making a mistake if you are looking for a drafting pattern to apply to the 4th pick based on who the Knicks drafted at 51 and 58 last year.

I think its the same--they are overbearingly trying to focus on defense without taking offense into consideration. 1 year later Thansis is farther away from the NBA than in his two years in the D league. A guy like Stein can be neutralized in two ways--a team uses 30 3 points shots to spread the floor and smaller stronger athletes have been able to move Stein quite easily. So when he is matched up with guys like Randolph or Griffin or Duncan--they will get theirs but he does not have ability to get his--meaning net negative. He is Amare Stoudemire just the other way around.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'm a little worried about what it might do to you mentally if they draft Stein!

To take a raw offensive player at pick #4 would be quite strange but it would follow in the footsteps of Laberdye and Thansis. So were building a team of non shooters. Go check out Greg Monroes averages past 6 feet. That means we''l have to players in the top 5 who can score outside of the paint no penetrating guards and a non passing star. YEP we should do just fine! Im sure Toronto will have fun with our 5 pick next year.

Drafting guys like Tanasis and the euro late in the second round is fine. If one works out you did really well. I think you are making a mistake if you are looking for a drafting pattern to apply to the 4th pick based on who the Knicks drafted at 51 and 58 last year.

I can't see the Knicks drafting WCS even if they trade down. The move is illogical no matter what angle you look at it.

yellowboy90 wrote:why is Stein a pf now? Also you have Brandon Wright, Ed Davis, John Henson, Amir Johnson, Tristan Thompson, Derrick Favors, and Jonas Valanciunas to name a few who are raw PF/C at or under 240. Stein is 8lbs less than Towns and Joel Embiid Weighed the same last year. Tyson Chandler probably doesn't weigh 240 lbs right now so give it a rest please.

Boooo Stein. Hooray Kaminsky at 7'1 231 lbs and 9.1% body fat. For a normal person that's good but how much will Kaminsky weigh once he gets into shape?

Kaminsky is your typical college player that shines in college and sucks in the nba. If it was the 1980 draft...his value is higher.....but todays nba is driven by athletes. ...unless he has a skill thats far more than anybody else....and the fire to be a go to guy.....otherwise hes a poor man Bargs. Great shooter when hes wide open. But once he has to chase down Griffin or get abused by zach Randolph. ....that jumper goes from great to very average. Withou his jumper hes worhless....which is why nbadraft.net has him going at 17....6 spots below WCS.

Bonn1997 wrote:I'm a little worried about what it might do to you mentally if they draft Stein!

Maybe Briggs wants this to get back to Phil so he will take pity and steer away from Stein.

yellowboy90 wrote:why is Stein a pf now? Also you have Brandon Wright, Ed Davis, John Henson, Amir Johnson, Tristan Thompson, Derrick Favors, and Jonas Valanciunas to name a few who are raw PF/C at or under 240. Stein is 8lbs less than Towns and Joel Embiid Weighed the same last year. Tyson Chandler probably doesn't weigh 240 lbs right now so give it a rest please.

Boooo Stein. Hooray Kaminsky at 7'1 231 lbs and 9.1% body fat. For a normal person that's good but how much will Kaminsky weigh once he gets into shape?

The issue with Stein is that he is limited as a player, and might be able to be pushed around on D more than you might think.

The only way he scores is on the pick and roll or on a fast break. There are many bigs who can finish on a P&R if they have the right PG setting them up, Stein might simply be a little more spectacular... but what happens on a pick and pop when he has to take a jump shot, and this was a popular play for the Knicks last year.

He's a limited player looking for the perfect team to play for. The Knicks are not that team.

yellowboy90 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:why is Stein a pf now? Also you have Brandon Wright, Ed Davis, John Henson, Amir Johnson, Tristan Thompson, Derrick Favors, and Jonas Valanciunas to name a few who are raw PF/C at or under 240. Stein is 8lbs less than Towns and Joel Embiid Weighed the same last year. Tyson Chandler probably doesn't weigh 240 lbs right now so give it a rest please.

Boooo Stein. Hooray Kaminsky at 7'1 231 lbs and 9.1% body fat. For a normal person that's good but how much will Kaminsky weigh once he gets into shape?

Kaminsky has a post game and can shoot the lights out. He is also an excellent passer. If you are looking at a guy who can play in different styles of offense, he is the one you want.

The issue with Stein is that he is limited as a player, and might be able to be pushed around on D more than you might think.

The only way he scores is on the pick and roll or on a fast break. There are many bigs who can finish on a P&R if they have the right PG setting them up, Stein might simply be a little more spectacular... but what happens on a pick and pop when he has to take a jump shot, and this was a popular play for the Knicks last year.

He's a limited player looking for the perfect team to play for. The Knicks are not that team.

You are very correct in their styles but I am skeptical Frank's post game will translate until he gets stronger. I am not a big Stein Fan but if the Knicks move back and want to take him I could live with it.

Id rather take Mickey he has a very nice upside as an offensive player and I think right now as in today hes a much better all around defender than Stein. hes quicker stronger and more versatile. And he actually can rebound and make jumpshots.

crzymdups wrote:7feet 240lb guys who don't put up big offensive numbers -

Andrew Bogut
Timofy Mozgov

oh hey weird those are the two starting centers in the NBA finals. Bogut is certainly ABLE to put up numbers, but his role doesn't call for it on GSW.

More guys:

DeAndre Jordan
Tyson Chandler

Rudy Gobert - Jazz improved a lot when they traded your boy Kanter and started Gobert.

Actually, I think that's a fairly valid way to look at this Kanter as Kaminsky, Gobert as Stein. Utah played much better once Kanter left. OKC missed the playoffs with Kanter putting up the best numbers of his career.

Offense at the center position is not a requirement for a winning in the NBA. Defense often is.

Yeah right. Go watch the final four game against Wisconsin and watch Nigel Hayes push Willie Stein all over the floor. Watching him in more depth hes a tad scared of contact--strange for a guy who played football. Andrew Bogut was actually an excellent offensive player at Utah and Mosgov is also a better offensive player--not even close. Willie is reliant on missed shots and lobs.
crz--go look at Jordan Mickey--hes a much better all around defender than Stein but he actually has an offensive game and rebounds.

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:7feet 240lb guys who don't put up big offensive numbers -

Andrew Bogut
Timofy Mozgov

oh hey weird those are the two starting centers in the NBA finals. Bogut is certainly ABLE to put up numbers, but his role doesn't call for it on GSW.

More guys:

DeAndre Jordan
Tyson Chandler

Rudy Gobert - Jazz improved a lot when they traded your boy Kanter and started Gobert.

Actually, I think that's a fairly valid way to look at this Kanter as Kaminsky, Gobert as Stein. Utah played much better once Kanter left. OKC missed the playoffs with Kanter putting up the best numbers of his career.

Offense at the center position is not a requirement for a winning in the NBA. Defense often is.

Yeah right. Go watch the final four game against Wisconsin and watch Nigel Hayes push Willie Stein all over the floor. Watching him in more depth hes a tad scared of contact--strange for a guy who played football. Andrew Bogut was actually an excellent offensive player at Utah and Mosgov is also a better offensive player--not even close. Willie is reliant on missed shots and lobs.
crz--go look at Jordan Mickey--hes a much better all around defender than Stein but he actually has an offensive game and rebounds.

Briggs, the final four isn't the end all and be all of basketball. Sean May and Raymond Felton dominated guys in the NCAA tournament in 2005. Did that mean they became the best players in the 2005 draft? No, it didn't.

I think Stein will do well in the NBA. We'll see, I guess.