This is what Memphis does they have two GREAT backcourt defenders and they can run the offense through the top of the post. In my scenario we ACQUIRE players who can defend athletically on the perimeter BUT can also play OFFENSE---- absolutely NOT 1 player on my team will be here if they are raw on offense.

This is the fastest way to get better its the smartest way to get better. Mudiay might be a great PG one day or he could be a version of Tyreke Evans. I really think Franks can be special because of his handle/playmaking post and shooting skills. How many players in this draft willed their teams to 2 final 4's in a row and won like 75 games?

Post defense is easy--Greg Monroe Kaminsky and whoever their back ups--who is the 30 point post player right now? Thats right there is none. Its all perimeter based. 3 and penetration. We have SIZE to bother a penetrator we need SPEED from the perimeter.

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, based on our needs I'd take Kaminsky ahead of Mudiay too. I might take Winslow ahead of both but haven't decided. I think you're right that Kaminsky is the most ready of the 3. I still really want D Russell though.

Hes a tough guard. Greg Monroe would get space hes NEVER had in the NBA and the load would be taken off Melo which should allow for more efficient scoring and hopefully the dishing is contagious. The bigs could play off each other and melo would NEVER be double teamed. It would also open up penetrating lanes for the guards. I was just thinking if we took the better defenders and put him on Kaminsky--Dray Green--Green is 6-6 230 Kaminsky is 7-1 230 hes SEVEN inches taller. Hes going to be bale to post shoot or pass right over the top of almost any player in the NBA and if they put a bigger player--he uses the pump fake. Hes going to be a handful and I think with his mobility and passing skills teams cab be very creative.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:I do think we'd be fine offensively. Kaminsky would fit like a glove in the Triangle. He's got everything you'd want in a versatile big in the Triangle. Offensively I see no issues.

On defense I see issues with the way teams are spreading out and attacking with PnR. Kaminsky will get exposed out in space against PnR IMO. Monroe would also have issues. I think having 3 lateral foot speed limited bigs in Monroe, Kaminsky and Melo together would have serious issues covering on defense. No one is really that worried about Post defense. It's the 4 Out style that is the problem. Not enough foot speed to allow the defense to shut down PnR penetration and recover to 3pt shooters. Defensively we need a rover with shot blocking ability, who can cover a lot of ground quickly. WCS!!!

2. Willie Cauley-Stein might still be underrated. That Kentucky's Cauley-Stein, the man whose middle name is now officially "Trill", is No. 2 in that DWS/40 chart despite his best qualities falling outside traditional box scores is remarkable. The rangy 7-footer gets his share of rebounds, blocks and steals, but when I charted the Wildcats' defense for an SI magazine project this season, Cauley-Stein's real value became evident in rim protection (he was Kentucky's best at this); overall turnovers forced (also best on the team on a per-possession basis); switchability on pick-and-rolls, handoffs and off-ball screens; and his ability to act as a sort of rover who could, on any given possession, guard men on the blocks, cut off penetration, or close out on perimeter shooters. It's these hard-to-track and less-quantifiable attributes that make Cauley-Stein a justifiable top-five pick with the potential for a long, valuable NBA career.

The net - WCS gives on offense is too much to be made up. Frankly Kaminsky is worlds ahead of WCS is the game of basketball. If I put WCS on Wisconsin and took Kaminsky off they wouldnt win 20 games.
If I put Kaminsky on Kentucky they would not have lost 1 game and they wouldn't have had 6-7 close games. Why becuase Frank is simply a superior basketball player. Nixluva you need to score points in this NBA--you need D but if you cant score forget about it. With WCS you are playing 5-4 deadly for double teams because you can defend WCS with anyone over 6-4. Im sorry nix if we grab Stein and I guarantee this we wont win 30 games.

                   3/4 Sprint    Agility    Max Vert
John Wall          3.14          10.84      39.0"
WCS                3.15          10.45      37.0"
Tyson Chandler     3.36		 12.13	    33.5"

It's this freakish level of athletic ability that allows him to cover so much ground on D. He can rove and help and still get back. That would have a huge impact on how this team defends any style of offense. Especially if we add wing defenders who can really stay with their man. A DeMarre Carroll or Danny Green or Patrick Beverly. Then we'd be talking about an elite defense.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:I do think we'd be fine offensively. Kaminsky would fit like a glove in the Triangle. He's got everything you'd want in a versatile big in the Triangle. Offensively I see no issues.

On defense I see issues with the way teams are spreading out and attacking with PnR. Kaminsky will get exposed out in space against PnR IMO. Monroe would also have issues. I think having 3 lateral foot speed limited bigs in Monroe, Kaminsky and Melo together would have serious issues covering on defense. No one is really that worried about Post defense. It's the 4 Out style that is the problem. Not enough foot speed to allow the defense to shut down PnR penetration and recover to 3pt shooters. Defensively we need a rover with shot blocking ability, who can cover a lot of ground quickly. WCS!!!

2. Willie Cauley-Stein might still be underrated. That Kentucky's Cauley-Stein, the man whose middle name is now officially "Trill", is No. 2 in that DWS/40 chart despite his best qualities falling outside traditional box scores is remarkable. The rangy 7-footer gets his share of rebounds, blocks and steals, but when I charted the Wildcats' defense for an SI magazine project this season, Cauley-Stein's real value became evident in rim protection (he was Kentucky's best at this); overall turnovers forced (also best on the team on a per-possession basis); switchability on pick-and-rolls, handoffs and off-ball screens; and his ability to act as a sort of rover who could, on any given possession, guard men on the blocks, cut off penetration, or close out on perimeter shooters. It's these hard-to-track and less-quantifiable attributes that make Cauley-Stein a justifiable top-five pick with the potential for a long, valuable NBA career.

The net - WCS gives on offense is too much to be made up. Frankly Kaminsky is worlds ahead of WCS is the game of basketball. If I put WCS on Wisconsin and took Kaminsky off they wouldnt win 20 games.
If I put Kaminsky on Kentucky they would not have lost 1 game and they wouldn't have had 6-7 close games. Why becuase Frank is simply a superior basketball player. Nixluva you need to score points in this NBA--you need D but if you cant score forget about it. With WCS you are playing 5-4 deadly for double teams because you can defend WCS with anyone over 6-4. Im sorry nix if we grab Stein and I guarantee this we wont win 30 games.

Oh I'd take that bet. I think you're wrong. We'll be able to get scoring from other spots in addition to WCS scoring efficiently in a similar manner to Tyson Chandler, but I think a little better. He won't have to be the scorer that Kaminsky is in order to have a HUGE impact. WCS is literally as agile and quick as John Wall, but at 7'.

                   3/4 Sprint    Agility    Max Vert
John Wall          3.14          10.84      39.0"
WCS                3.15          10.45      37.0"
Tyson Chandler     3.36		 12.13	    33.5"

It's this freakish level of athletic ability that allows him to cover so much ground on D. He can rove and help and still get back. That would have a huge impact on how this team defends any style of offense. Especially if we add wing defenders who can really stay with their man. A DeMarre Carroll or Danny Green or Patrick Beverly. Then we'd be talking about an elite defense.

Go look at Kevin Durant numbers. I think he had a 29 inch vertical could not do 1 rep on the bench and didnt run well. But you know what he can do hes 6-10 and can shoot pass handle and rebound from the 4!

Vmart wrote:I like Kaminski but no stick with Mudiay. He makes everyone better people need to stop when was the last time a power forward controlled the game. How is Kaminsky making Monroe better or Melo when did he become an assist man. Stick with Mudiay and the Knicks will be better for it.

Thats the whole gig. I think Kaminsky is capable of 5-6 assists a game. He already did 3 at the college level this year from the C position.

Kaminsky is capable of 20-8-5