wh4t wrote:
I think Jerian is just as good if not better than D'Angelo & Mudiay. Athletically, he isn't that different from Mudiay

Even DX knows he's a very good passer with great court vision. Besides age there isn't that much difference between him and mudiay

I like pretty much everything you posted. But particularly Jerian Grant. That kid strikes me as the PG selected in the late teens or twenties who will be a real player at PG like Lowry or Teague.

And he seems fricking perfect for the Triangle. I didn't see Notre Dame til late this season, but I was impressed by him when I saw him play Duke and UNC.

I would be willing to trade down for Kaminsky if it meant we also got Jerian Grant.

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crzymdups wrote:There are rumors that Boston wants to trade with the Knicks so they can get pick 4 to select my boy WCS.

But Boston owns pick 16 and 28. If they could somehow acquire say pick 10 or so... I would THINK about doing picks 10 and 16 so we could select Kaminsky and Grant.

But really my ideal draft would be to somehow score Willie Cauley Stein AND Jerian Grant.

I like Grant more than Stein. He has more of a chance to be an adequate shooter, and he is a leader with a lot of toughness and savvy.

If we already had our team set, Stein and Grant might be part of a defensive minded second unit, but I don't know if I would want both in my starting lineup.

I like the Lowry comparison, and Lowry's shooting has developed somewhat over the years, which is what you would hope happens with Grant if you have him.

He would be a nice late teens pick, unless he comes into the workouts with a totally different jump shot, then you could see a team reaching and taking him earlier than #15.

crzymdups wrote:There are rumors that Boston wants to trade with the Knicks so they can get pick 4 to select my boy WCS.

But Boston owns pick 16 and 28. If they could somehow acquire say pick 10 or so... I would THINK about doing picks 10 and 16 so we could select Kaminsky and Grant.

But really my ideal draft would be to somehow score Willie Cauley Stein AND Jerian Grant.

Man we are totally on the same page. I have the same draft wish. WCS and Jerian would be a great haul. Mature but solid players who have the right defensive posture. Jerian has that leadership quality and toughness. If this is what Phil is planning to try and do i'm on board.

What I would not do is pair him with another older player like Kaminsky or Stein.

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I like Grant but the only way he ends up a Knick is if they move back and get a second pick. I think he is as good as Mudiay but not on the level of Russell.

What I would not do is pair him with another older player like Kaminsky or Stein.

Why do you say this? I think Jerian and WCS would be a great fit for the Knicks. They would both help this team IMO.

I don't like bigs that can't rebound that well.

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I like Grant but the only way he ends up a Knick is if they move back and get a second pick. I think he is as good as Mudiay but not on the level of Russell.

What I would not do is pair him with another older player like Kaminsky or Stein.

Why do you say this? I think Jerian and WCS would be a great fit for the Knicks. They would both help this team IMO.

I don't like bigs that can't rebound that well.

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I like Grant but the only way he ends up a Knick is if they move back and get a second pick. I think he is as good as Mudiay but not on the level of Russell.

What I would not do is pair him with another older player like Kaminsky or Stein.

Why do you say this? I think Jerian and WCS would be a great fit for the Knicks. They would both help this team IMO.

I don't like bigs that can't rebound that well.

I don't think WCS has a rebounding problem. It comes down to how he's used. He spent a lot of time on the perimeter shutting down PnR and help defending. He could do that since they had so much size behind him. The Knicks will do the same things IMO. Phil is going to have size and rebounding on the floor. I think he's going to bring in Monroe who is a solid rebounder and Melo is also a solid rebounder.

His defensive rebounding percent is terrible for someone his size. What good is all that great D if they continue to get the ball back?

He is more agile than Drummond but there offensive games are similar and those two did not pair well.
Monroe is a 5 on O but if my memory is correct he is better "defensively" playing the 4. So you will need to pair him with someone who's strength make up for his weaknesses.

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I like Grant but the only way he ends up a Knick is if they move back and get a second pick. I think he is as good as Mudiay but not on the level of Russell.

What I would not do is pair him with another older player like Kaminsky or Stein.

Why do you say this? I think Jerian and WCS would be a great fit for the Knicks. They would both help this team IMO.

I don't like bigs that can't rebound that well.

If the Knicks had Monroe at 10rpg and Melo at 8rpg, Stein being at 7-8rpg wouldn't be that big of a deal.

melo doesn't get 8 rebs its between 6-7. also, on offense the lane would be too pact. That's an easy triple team on Melo while he posts up.

The Lane isn't packed in the Triangle. It's supposed to have bigs near the basket. That's how the offense works. when run properly there is enough space to drive of Give n Go, Backdoor Cuts etc. Melo would operate just fine. With WCS on the move teams will pay if they ignore him moving within 2 steps of the basket.

Nice workout video on Jerian

The triangle had Forwards or Centers that could knock down a jumper. WCS can't, Monroe can't, and throw in Grant into the mix and he can't shoot either. You are not only creating posible double or triple teams but you are giving the ability for those traps to come from bigs.

I am a Grant fan, so much so that if the knicks were to get another pick and Russell fell to them I would be okay with them drafting Grant. Grant is a very good player but I want youth and shooting to be paired with him.

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I like Grant but the only way he ends up a Knick is if they move back and get a second pick. I think he is as good as Mudiay but not on the level of Russell.

What I would not do is pair him with another older player like Kaminsky or Stein.

Why do you say this? I think Jerian and WCS would be a great fit for the Knicks. They would both help this team IMO.

I don't like bigs that can't rebound that well.

If the Knicks had Monroe at 10rpg and Melo at 8rpg, Stein being at 7-8rpg wouldn't be that big of a deal.

melo doesn't get 8 rebs its between 6-7. also, on offense the lane would be too pact. That's an easy triple team on Melo while he posts up.

The Lane isn't packed in the Triangle. It's supposed to have bigs near the basket. That's how the offense works. when run properly there is enough space to drive of Give n Go, Backdoor Cuts etc. Melo would operate just fine. With WCS on the move teams will pay if they ignore him moving within 2 steps of the basket.

Nice workout video on Jerian

The triangle had Forwards or Centers that could knock down a jumper. WCS can't, Monroe can't, and throw in Grant into the mix and he can't shoot either. You are not only creating posible double or triple teams but you are giving the ability for those traps to come from bigs.

I am a Grant fan, so much so that if the knicks were to get another pick and Russell fell to them I would be okay with them drafting Grant. Grant is a very good player but I want youth and shooting to be paired with him.

The Knicks can easily have Jump shooting bigs. We already had that this year. What we didn't have is what Monroe and WCS bring to the table. Monroe actually makes the Triangle work better being a low post big. He creates more space by holding low post position and being able to pass out of the post. Besides WCS actually can shoot a jumper. People just assume that he won't be able to shoot enough to be effective.

His shot doesn't look bad. He needs to take more jumpers when he's wide open and I suspect he'll be in that position a lot in the NBA.

A lot people can make a jumper. D. Howard, Tyson chandler, Josh Smith, Deandre Jordan, Shaq, and etc can make a jump shot. Can they make it consistently? I don't think he can.